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Do Teachers Dislike Boys?

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Do Teachers Dislike Boys?
by Jeanne Sather

Could it be true that some teachers just don't like boys? When I raised this question just briefly in another column, a flood of e-mail came pouring in.

Some readers told me I was all wet, and that this was a ridiculous idea. Others pointed to research that shows that teachers actually pay more attention to boys, shortchanging girls in the process.

And then there were the messages from parents, fathers and mothers both, who felt that their children had been treated badly at school specifically because they were boys. "It is almost as if the boys' presence is less appreciated, and even burdensome," wrote the mother of a young boy.

Tales from the mailbox
A father writes about his youngest son, a rowdy seven-year-old who loves to laugh and make other people laugh, too. This father had his son change teachers because the teacher punished the child academically for incidents that happened on the playground.

"I tried to explain to her that his behavior on the playground was certainly worthy of punishment, but it should not conflict with his learning time," the father says. "She actually refused him a test, saying that throwing sand on the playground meant he got a zero."

The father happened to be at school to witness the incident that was the last straw: "As I approached, my son and another boy were giggling as they walked in line. The teacher yelled at [my son], who instantly turned and walked in line, but the other boy shoved him as they passed a trash can and he fell against it. The teacher yanked him up by his arm and practically dragged him along until they got to class. Once at the class, she had him stand against the wall outside of the door and told him that he did not deserve to be allowed in with the other students (including the boy who pushed him!)."

The father went to his son, hugged him, and then told the school office staff that he had witnessed the incident and was taking the boy out for ice cream. There, they had a long talk about behaving at school, and the boy told him, "Dad, I try my best, but she hates me. I can never do anything right for her."
Other voices
Alyssa Jenkins, a high school teacher and the mother of two young boys, writes, "I am beginning to agree with you that many teachers do not like boys, although I rarely see that at the high school level. I think it's more of an elementary school thing."

Jenkins says that she talked to a kindergarten teacher about this recently and was told, "Because some teachers are exasperated with trying to control boys' energy, they [sometimes] recommend holding a boy back until his body catches up with his brain."

This teacher also told Jenkins that if all a young boy hears all day are comments like "Sit down" and "Stop that," he may be labeled as a problem child and his self-esteem could suffer.

Jenkins says a first-grade teacher raised another issue that causes problems for some boys: turning kindergarten into first grade. "Kindergarten is supposed to be a transition year," she writes, "and by asking children to already know how to ‘do school,' the system disadvantages boys, who mature slower than girls."

A fifth-grade teacher and father who lives in rural Iowa writes, "As far as teachers disliking boys, I think that is too general a statement. A teacher is going to be ‘annoyed' or ‘inconvenienced' by any student that is disruptive in the classroom, whether it is a boy or girl."

He says teachers need better "people skills" and need to learn tolerance and patience in dealing with all students. But he added that a supportive parent plays an important role in how these "difficult" students are handled in class.

He also points out that the teacher's gender, whether or not that teacher has children, and the gender of those children all are factors that can influence how a teacher relates to boys. "Having two boys ages three and five makes me a bit more tolerant of the behavior of boys because I deal with it daily and have managed to acquire skills to obtain the behaviors I think are appropriate," he writes. "This does not always work with other people's kids, but it is always worth a try."


http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Departments/Elementary/?article=teachersandboysmain&GT1=7584


Alot of this sounds familiar.....I was a hellion in school & hated it. I realize now that if i had been given some sort of interactive task it would have kept my mind (& hands!) busy.

Boys are students too! LOL
 
I noticed in the English departments I have been in that there is definitely a feminist culture -- and given most of the English teachers (hell, MOST of the teachers) are female, the bias frankly reeks.

That is one of the reasons I am in favor of the old "same-sex" education for at least the lower levels of school.
 
Boys tend to be more active and more rowdy than girls. They have a slightly shorter attention span and require more physical activity. When a female teacher fails to realize this, she is going to punish his impulsive behavior. It seems lately, that once a boy reaches 13, some female teachers are very nice to them.
 
I think that's just ridiculous. I was so overly behaved as a child it's not funny and all my teachers liked me. Has nothing to do with sex adn everything to do with behavior, which is only reasonable.
 
Great question Garfield, I was in a high school class starting in 9th grade which was 97 percent boys. The first couple of days of school the Administration was busy thinking of mixing us in with 8th graders to lower the "boy" ratio. They couldn't figure out a way to make that work, so we became the class from torment far as the teachers were concerned. We would hear them complaining to each other about the "boy" class, and we were mistreated as a whole. The class did have about 5 trouble makers, but the entire class suffered from this. And on a few occasions the principle would be summoned to the classs room and the few girls dismissed, and the entire class get their butt beat with a paddle, no attempt to find the guilty, beat them all, their boys and are guilty. And in my case my father was of the opinion that the teachers would never be wrong, and had told me that if I ever got in trouble at school, I would be in more trouble when I got home. Also he and the principle were friends on a first name basis. So, I just had to grin and bear it. Also the teacher that was in charge of the Senior Prom and the one in charge of the year book, refused to work with this class, so we had neither. The only class in the history of the school not to have such. I kept thinking that some parent would come to our defense, but if they did I never knew of it, and they were not successful if anyone did try. I guess the principle felt a little guilty at the end. The day before graduation he carried the entire class to his place on the lake and used his boat to let us water ski all day. But it was too little too late. The drop out rate for this class was much higher than for other classes, but no one seemed to care. Just one less boy to deal with. I hold no fondness for my old High School.
 
I don't know that they dislike boys.
I think it's more that they might favor girls at least until some point in High School.
Girls seem to be somewhat better behaved, try a little harder to please the teachers and aren't as subject to unruly peer pressure.
 
Okay, let me start by stating I am only speaking as myself, not a collective teacher point of view.

I teach middle school math. A number of the issues discussed so far stem from societal differences and cultural differences we're experiencing in today's classrooms. A number of students are coming to us without much parental support or guidance (long gone are the days of Mom staying at home to have warm cookies and milk waiting on the children), and the sheer impact of cultural differences from first generation immigrants hinders the classroom at times... many of my Hispanic/Mexican/Latino (this is what the kids call themselves) students refuse to listen to female teachers because in their country of origin women must submit to the dominance of the males.

I try a number of different things in my own classroom to help impact my students. I will work with any and every student to accommodate his/her learning style or little quirks (the kid that has to doodle to stay awake, the ADHD student that needs to pace). However, there must come a time and date when I can say enough is enough and discipline a student- male or female. I do find myself with more detentions from male students, who constantly test the borders of my discipline. The girls will try something once or twice, realize they aren't going to get away with it and stop. My males think it's a game of push and shove. It seems to take the teenage male mind longer to realize the little queen in front of the room is the alpha male and ain't gonna back down.

Okay, we now return you to the regularly scheduled topic...

mikey
 
Do ALL teachers favor girls over boys? Certainly not.

Do SOME teachers dislike boys more than girls? Absolutely.

When I was in school, I ran into some teachers who disliked ALL kids.

These lonely, miserable, dried-up, old hags went out of their way to make every one of their students lives as dull, empty, humorless and passion-free as their own pathetic existances... :badgrin:

Fortunately, they were few and far between.
 
I watched a PBS documentary on a similar subject last week. The program, "Raising Cain : Boys In Focus", spoke about how most schools in America are not set up to effectively teach the majority of male students.

Most classes are set up where the student is supposed to sit and listen to one person, the teacher. Too many of the male students don't learn by hearing, rather learn by doing. Think back to memorable lessons in class. Was it the lecture of the War of 1812 that you remember, or perhaps the chance to fight the war with wadded paper serving as canons?

The culture of the American schools seek reasons to explain student disruptions, usually diagnosed as ADHD and medicine is dispensed to send these students into a near zombie like state. Male students need to be allowed to express their emotions through actions, rather than keeping the feelings internalized. By allowing these emotions to be acted out rather than internalized, the male students have better focus and are better able to concentrate on the tasks.
 
[-X Of course not! As a future educator and as a person who has already worked and taught in classrooms, I have no particular bias against either sex. Obviously, I care for all of my students. However it is easy for a teacher to have a bias against students because of behavioral issues. And in any given classroom in America, most students with behavioral issues are boys. So this may create the idea (or possibly the truth in some cases) that some teachers dislike boys as opposed to girls.

But I submit the following to any teacher: If you do not like boys (or girls) then leave teaching. Your dislike or discomfort surely cannot benefit them in the long run. It is natural to been mindful if your classroom has a balance in favor of one sex over the other, as this would affect the dynamic of the classroom. But I have heard about teachers who don't want to teacher girls or don't want to teach boys. If a teacher does not like his or her students based solely on sex then they have issues they need to work out. You don't tend to teach kids well when you dislike, or even fear them. It is hard to not have a particular bias against students, but a bias against race is simply ridiculous in a profession such as teaching. I hope not to have offened anyone. I'm passionate about education. Just my two cents.

That said it is very different teaching a room of all boys vs. all girls...and it also depends on the sex of the teacher, obviously... I can't count the number of time a 3rd grader has batted their eyes at me or smiled intently. It's cute...but no thanks.
 
^ Good answer!

(My opinions are from the years I spent teaching before I went into the military)


"In education, two boys are learning disabled for every one girl. In grades, our boys now get worse grades than our girls. If we go to brain attention disorders, there are six boys with attention deficit disorder to every one girl. If we go to teen deaths, there are two teen boys dying for every one girl. Should I keep going? I can rattle off 50 of these,." say some notable psychotherapists....

I think we start off by de-moralizing boys right from the beginning in school.
Girls read faster and sit more nicely and boys are more physically restless and impulsive. And we sometimes don't make accommodations for the boys' developmental levels, so we humiliate them and get them mad, or interpret their activity as willful aggression, and so begins the fulfillment of a prophecy where we try to punish and control boys more harshly than girls, and they come to resent it and dislike it and dislike authority and react back against it.

You really have to understand child-hood development, especially where boys are involved.
Boys are undergoing another difficult process, striking out on their own when they would still like to be clinging to their mothers.

We prematurely separate boys from their mothers and nurturing in general in a way we don't do to girls, and we call that normal boy development, my argument is that not only that this isn't normal but it's traumatic, and that trauma has major consequences.


I recognize the fact that we had a period where we had a "girl's movement" so that they were not left out of the equation in science and mathematics,etc (in areas considered usually for boys/men); but I think the result is isolating boys with neglect and oppression.


Can you see my point here? Sure, we had a "girl's movement" and it worked; but at the same time we left boy's out.


I cannot for the life of me believe that we'd be so naive to think we could change the lives of girls without boys' lives changing as well........and NOT for the better either!!!


***(I am sorry about writing a thesis on this subject; but it's one in which I am indeed concerned!) FORGIVE ME?


Well, to close this dialogue, let me say that yes, teachers "can" dislike boys more than girls; but ONLY because of the behaviors that boys exhibit in class that tend to disrupt the structure and cause teachers ulcers!! lol


We as teachers (especially in the fundamental, elementary grades) realize that boys will have a more difficult time adjusting to school and the structure in which it must have.


If we do not treat the source of the problem that boys have, then the rest of the boys' academic life will be full of punishment and troubles....


** I am curious about how my statements are either accepted or rejected by other educators on JUB....


Thanks (*8*)(*8*) :kiss::kiss:


 
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I had two teachers in high school who were clearly biased against guys.

One of them was my Freshmen English teacher. On the last day of school, she had us write an essay about what we had learned from her. I ended up writing an essay about how I had learned absolutely nothing because of her sexist tendencies. She ended up saying it was antisocial and took me to the principal. The principal just shrugged it off, and the teacher wasn't at the school the next year. I don't know if it was because of that, but I do know that I wasn't the only student who made a complaint.

The second one was my junior English teacher. Once I recognized it, I just asked my counselor to put me in another class to avoid any problems.
 
I can only speak for myself.

I enjoy both genders in my class equally.

Each child is different, as is each group of kids.

There have been years that I have had a group of one gender stand out in a negative way from the other gender.

There have been years where there was no issue with either gender.

And yes, there were years with both "beastly boys" and "ghastly girls."

Just as each child is different, my teaching changes to meet the needs of each group. :D
 
Both genders are discriminated against, strangely enough....However, girls are assumed to be better students but aren't called on as often.

Boys are assumed to be more vulnerable to learning disabilities, especially ADHD. If you were to divide the class into three tiers (best students, average students, and problem students), boys and girls share the first two, but the last is made up almost exclusively of boys.

It also doesn't help that educators actually geared classes towards girls (in order to make them as good as the boys), but it didn't allow that girls learn differently than boys, so boys' scores slipped accros the board.

I honestly feel that same-sex education would be the answer to the gender gap, at least until junior high or so....

RG
 
Both genders are discriminated against, strangely enough....However, girls are assumed to be better students but aren't called on as often.

Boys are assumed to be more vulnerable to learning disabilities, especially ADHD. If you were to divide the class into three tiers (best students, average students, and problem students), boys and girls share the first two, but the last is made up almost exclusively of boys.

It also doesn't help that educators actually geared classes towards girls (in order to make them as good as the boys), but it didn't allow that girls learn differently than boys, so boys' scores slipped accros the board.

I honestly feel that same-sex education would be the answer to the gender gap, at least until junior high or so....

RG


In the UK, we have a lot of same-sex schools, especially at what we call secondary level i.e. ages 11-18. The arguments here are that girls perform better in single sex girl schools and that boys fair far bettter in co-ed schools than they do in all-boys schools.

In order to address this issue, there have been suggestions of 'streaming' boys into single-sex lessons within co-ed schools. Might this be the solution to poor behaviour and under-achieving boys?
 
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