do we actully die or do we get killed?

[bluboi89]

do we actully die or do we get killed? is my question.
my both gandpas got killed by the medical system so im curious if we indeed are in control of our lives?
i doubt it they would just die from alone at their homes.
what do u guys think?

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

I don't care.

I hope you don't think that's rude, I don't mean it to be. I just mean, in either case, you're no longer living.
If doctors really killed your grandparents, that would be a lawsuit for negligence, and that would be jail time and loss of a medical license. So I fear that you're really asking, is medicine worth it if we're going to die anyway?

And my answer to that is, I don't care.

 

[Asenath]

"Killed by the medical system."

That's not how that works. Please explain.

 

[pat grimshaw]

I think some people die when they lose the will to live… like those widows who die a week after their husbands…or those British people who die at age 100 when they get the ******** from the Queen.

I wouldn't be blaming doctors or hospitals if someone dies. They're not gods.

But my state health service is investigating the fact it's often much more effective to treat vulnerable people in their homes rather than expose them to all the other sick people in a hospital.

 

[JayHawk]

Does it matter?

 

[ravenstar]

Most of those people in my world who have died have done so at home. My grandmother died in a nursing home after a massive stroke that left her barely alive as it was.

My Grandfather suffered for nearly a decade with Alzhiemers. When he died he was on morphine. If you want to take that as the nursing home staff helping him on his way, feel free, but frankly I think they did him a favour. He was out of it for years, and by the end in huge amounts of pain.

I've already got a living will - being an only child I won't have anyone around but a couple of friends or maybe a partner when I die - and it states that if anything happens to me like a stroke or major accident I'm to be let pass on. I have no problem with the medical establishment giving me enough pain killers when I'm terminal to wipe me out.

 

[bluboi89]

with ''killed by the medical system'' i don't mean doctors/nurses killing someone on purpose but doing their thing and eventually failing.
For example i forgot to mention the death of my grandmothers sister. They drove her to the hospital, cut her leg off and 1 week later she died.
One of the grandpas i meantion above died bcos he appearently ordered a ''insta death'' injection cos he was diagnosed by lung ''cancer'' whatever that may be anyway.
And the other grandpa died in the hospital bcos he had neck ''cancer'' and i don't know what happened futher X.X
So seriously, do we actully die?
And also im highly suspicious of the researches done on animals(Tigers live x years, dogs live x years, turles live x years and so on..)
I mean how can they track this? U can't just put a camera on an animal and watch it.. and there's so much information about the life expand on almost all living things. I doubt all this information is true/correct

 

[chrisw87]

There is a big flaw in your question though, we are not in control of our lives.

You can influence your life and help it along in a certain direction but the only 2 certainties in life are death... and uncertainty.

Everybody dies, from old age, complications or similar. A very simple way to put it;
*Go get a VHS recording tape
*Constantly record that VHS tape to another and so on and so on
*Small amounts of data will be corrupted and the quality slowly deteriorates until its useless.

Thats a very lamens way of simplifying it, but heck, it is basic.

 

[bluboi89]

There is a big flaw in your question though, we are not in control of our lives.

You can influence your life and help it along in a certain direction but the only 2 certainties in life are death... and uncertainty.

Everybody dies, from old age, complications or similar. A very simple way to put it;
*Go get a VHS recording tape
*Constantly record that VHS tape to another and so on and so on
*Small amounts of data will be corrupted and the quality slowly deteriorates until its useless.

Thats a very lamens way of simplifying it, but heck, it is basic.

yes, but why do the ''constantly recording'' part? why nut just repeadetly press play?

 

[Asenath]

Now that you've elaborated, I don't think these people were killed by the medical profession at all. Some of the treatments for cancer are invasive and painful enough that patients refuse treatment. And some treatments just don't work - not because they are ineffective, but because people's bodies respond in different ways. It sounds like your grandfathers made informed consent, and the doctors did as much as they could.

(Are you actually doubting the existence of cancer? Because seriously. It's a real thing.)

As for the amputation - I'm guessing whatever caused the amputation weakened your great-aunt to the point where she couldn't recover from the surgery.

I'm not saying doctors are infallible. Trust me, I know. I work in health care & with the elderly, like these people seem to be from the story. I'm not saying health care is perfect (especially in America, where it is damn near broken). But doctors aren't just killing people. Getting old just sucks.

So, to answer your question, yes. Most probably all of these people would have died in their homes. But they would have died in more pain than they needed, and your families would have suffered for lack of assistance.

 

[chrisw87]

So seriously, do we actully die?
And also im highly suspicious of the researches done on animals(Tigers live x years, dogs live x years, turles live x years and so on..)
I mean how can they track this? U can't just put a camera on an animal and watch it.. and there's so much information about the life expand on almost all living things. I doubt all this information is true/correct

Its called statistics, you see an animal born on x-day animal dies on y-day from z-cause. repeat studies x many animals, correlate data.

Don't take offence, however;

 

[chrisw87]

yes, but why do the ''constantly recording'' part? why nut just repeadetly press play?

I'm referring to DNA replication... and I won't go into depth with this, read an encyclopedia or highschool level biology text book.

 

[bluboi89]

Its called statistics, you see an animal born on x-day animal dies on y-day from z-cause. repeat studies x many animals, correlate data.

Don't take offence, however;

ok, and how do you keep track of it? u follow it into the wilderness?

 

[Asenath]

ok, and how do you keep track of it? u follow it into the wilderness?

That is exactly what they do. See: Jane Goodall & Dian Fossey for examples.

 

[bluboi89]

That is exactly what they do. See: Jane Goodall & Dian Fossey for examples.

They can track microbes too? ;O

 

[Asenath]

 

[chrisw87]

They can track microbes too? ;O

At the risk of frustrating myself...

Yes, in laboratory conditions, although they differ based on the environment and type of microorganism they usually have a very short life (minutes to weeks) and survive from replication.

 

[justaguy]

Some people die. Some people get killed AND die. Everyone who gets killed dies, whereas not everyone who dies gets killed. Plain as mud.

 

[bluboi89]

At the risk of frustrating myself...

Yes, in laboratory conditions, although they differ based on the environment and type of microorganism they usually have a very short life (minutes to weeks) and survive from replication.

yeah exacly my point. Wonder how i would do in a laboratory under ''cartian'' condictions.

 

[Telstra]

die is when it is not the fault of others.

Got killed is usually by the hands of others.