do we actully die or do we get killed?

[vulgar_newcomer]

Nope.
How about wild dogs and wild cats (tiger, lion) ?

Dogs wild & domestic are omnivores. Like the majority of mammals . Grizzly bear and a wolf can live and do live off a very mixed diet of opportunity with success.

Talking mammals here,

Cats domestic & wild from lion, bobcat, tiger to little tabby in your neighbors back yard are obligate carnivores. Touching the catnip daily will not allow them the primary diet for a long successful life. Cats are truly land mammals that are strictly carnivore for existence.

Flipper the porpoise and orca the killer whale are sea carnivores because many forget that mammals don't just live on the land. The largest animal the blue whale is a carnivore but likely I would feel better at a respectable distance then I would with the omnivore Kodiak bear in my neck of the woods wildy speaking.

Do not bring up a snake, owl, eagle or frog they are not mammals.
There are far more shellfish , reptiles, fish, & amphibians that are strictly carnivore over more advanced animals and in between there are the birds. Insects do it all but most either or or but their species and able to adapt means I wouldn't trust one to cross its border within a sort time to adapt to changing food patterns. Meaning todays grasshopper or locust could be tomorrows army ant.

 

[bluboi89]

Are bay leaves and barley grass the only two you know? I can think of hundreds of more super foods just off the top of my head.

i assume all plants must have similar value in nutrients.. so try to compare those 2 with others.
i couldn't find any other ''foods we never eat'' that were analyzed on a nutritional level


just question everything u have ever been told, like what we are supposed to do in our lives.
what if really just eating green stuff around us would actully improve our species?
i also questioned myself ''but they must have tried that already in stone age'' or whatever.
but just question it, did humans really live in caves? is histroy actully really true?
i'm going to try to live off plants that grow around me and will also report.
sure, i may be totally wrong and will return to the normal grocery store diet but i think it's worth a try

 

[palbert]

I have no idea where you live but you shall have an interesting time living off non-grocery srore greens - and I speak of their availability as well as nutritional value.

 

[Kulindahr]

what if really just eating green stuff around us would actully improve our species?
i also questioned myself ''but they must have tried that already in stone age'' or whatever.
but just question it, did humans really live in caves? is histroy actully really true?
i'm going to try to live off plants that grow around me and will also report.
sure, i may be totally wrong and will return to the normal grocery store diet but i think it's worth a try

If you're serious, please do a heap of google research first. I know one green species growing on this piece of property that would make a human violently ill, another would give me the runs, another would give me the opposite, and another would mess with my nervous system in a very bad way. Several others would just sit in my gut and make me nauseous until they got eliminated, possibly a bit painfully.

 

[bluboi89]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poisonous_plants
according to wikipedia apples, potatos, tomatos, beans and others are poisonous to human health.




we'r getting trolled

 

[EasyRory]

This thread is hilarious. It illustrates why human progress is so-o-o-o slow.

 

[rareboy]

Or how in some cases, it goes in reverse.

 

[palbert]

Is there no way to kill this thread?

 

[rareboy]

we'r getting trolled

I think this says it all.

 

[Kulindahr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poisonous_plants
according to wikipedia apples, potatos, tomatos, beans and others are poisonous to human health.




we'r getting trolled

On that level, water is poisonous to human health.


If you don't like trolling -- stop doing it.

 

[bluboi89]

Or how in some cases, it goes in reverse.

maybe human progress went in reverse ever sience we separated from nature

 

[bluboi89]

i don't know.
afaik b12 is in earth, so we get it bcos animals eat plants that grow on earth. why not eat that ourselves instead to get that vitamin in our system trough consuming meat which has alot of negative effects on our health?

i tried to eat grass already. i think i ate a handful of some fresh grass i found, and 2 or 3 other leaves from some plant that grew on the ground.
i ate that in the morning(i felt incredibly hungry)
it was about 11AM, ate grass and some leaves, went to school and didn't feel hungry til about 3PM

so it kind of numbed my feeling for hunger.
i will keep on trying eating plants that look good and are soft. and see for myself

 

[Kulindahr]

maybe human progress went in reverse ever sience we separated from nature

Which might happen a couple of centuries from now, but I doubt it.

 

[geloge]

Please, keep us adapted.

 

[Kulindahr]

That's probably the only good point you've made in this thread (aside from the whole "edible plants are good for you thing" which everyone already knew).

Every since survival of the fittest/natural selection has stopped (humans now breed whether they're healthy or not) it begs the question, what's happening with human evolution? I've been thinking of posting a thread on this very subject. I imagine genetic diseases and flaws will be on the increase, and suspect that medical technology will eventually have to intervene in our genealogy.

Oh, survival of the fittest hasn't stopped, we're just going through a period as a race where we can accumulate all sorts of mutations and have them spread through the population while there aren't adverse pressures. It's a hiatus, not an end; change is inevitable, whether it's a flu variant that kills a billion, a new bacterium that paralyzes everyone who eats (for example) green beans, a change in solar proton flux that sends the cancer rate into low orbit, or whatever. It may even be a human-induced change, like terraforming and colonizing Mars or living in space habitats.

But you're right that we're propagating defects like crazy. From a species standpoint, allowing people with genetic flaws to reproduce is a crime -- while from individual rights perspective, it's noble.

Once nanotech has shown it can be safely targeted against simple things such as arterial blockage, I expect that genetic defects will be the next target, being both beneficial and a good demonstration that specific genes can be successfully and safely targeted.

 

[medic1]

As for what Kulindhar and starcrasher have said, Genetic`s are already being
used in medical settings.
To the @op please stop eating strange plants that you cannot name just because
they look good and are soft,YOU will end up killing yourself.
If you are not a troll then please get some education and therapy.

 

[bluboi89]

As for what Kulindhar and starcrasher have said, Genetic`s are already being
used in medical settings.
To the @op please stop eating strange plants that you cannot name just because
they look good and are soft,YOU will end up killing yourself.
If you are not a troll then please get some education and therapy.

i will end up killing myself anyway if i keep doing the things i have been doing the past 20 years.
as for some who may think ''humans can't digest these kind of plants''
i have been eating random greens for a few days now, and everytime i went to shit, stools were a lot less sticky and went trough smoother. i guess its the ''fiber'' in those plants that helps
also stools were brown and not green so these kind of plants were digested completley
again, i'm looking for plants that look fresh, smooth, soft and which grow on non toxic ground
if it would be my way i would just collect them and eat them the whole day, and nothing else.
but i would look rediclious to anyone who would see me collect random plants from the ground, so i do it very quickly xD
maybe i should collect them at night

 

[bluboi89]

It's my understanding that there are larger amounts of such nutrients in meat than in plant-based foods and that vegetables used to contain vitamin B12 because of the bacteria from the soil. If I'm not mistaken, one of the best plant-based sources of vitamin B12 is from certain kinds of sea vegetables. I think one can get vitamin B12 from certain kinds of nutritional yeast, too.

As for negative effects of meat consumption, I think it is mostly because of what is added to conventional meat and the amount that people consume. Meat is difficult to digest but even more so if people are eating a pound of it in one meal! There are healthier options for meat though, grass-fed beef and organic/natural beef with no added hormones/antibiotics/etc.



Please stop doing this. Eating plants that you are not familiar with can be very dangerous. You could be consuming something poisonous.

yes mister, but how do them animals get them amino acids? from the air?
they eat simple food like grass as you said.
so why do we have to make the effort to actully breed the animal, feed it, watch it, take care of the shit, make a bloodbath, remove ''waste'', add chemicals and pack it
why the fuck not just eat grass ourselves? wouldn't that be more simple? and as i said, i already tried to eat it. and i didn't feel hungry for like 4-5hours after. i ate a handful, not more
here i found another nutiotion analysis of a leaf
http://news-malunggay-moringa-by-yo.../03/nutritional-value-of-leaves-and-pods.html

according to that site, it has alot of amino acids besides the other vitamins and minerals. I'm not sure if this information is accurate, but it sounds logical to me. Animals have to eat something to get all the nutrition crap we are so obsessed with. we are just not open minded enough and do whatever we were told to do without questioning. almost like a religion.
my conclusion is that sun is the primary food source, and i think sun gives the plants the nutritional value

 

[Kulindahr]

As for negative effects of meat consumption, I think it is mostly because of what is added to conventional meat and the amount that people consume. Meat is difficult to digest but even more so if people are eating a pound of it in one meal! There are healthier options for meat though, grass-fed beef and organic/natural beef with no added hormones/antibiotics/etc.

Another problem with meat is that we generally eat only muscle. A human can live well on a pure meat diet, but only if the whole animal is consumed -- muscle, heart, kidneys, liver, even lungs and brains.

Please stop doing this. Eating plants that you are not familiar with can be very dangerous. You could be consuming something poisonous.

Yes. And some plants poisons are slow. Others are so toxic just a leaf or blade fragment can kill.

 

[Kulindahr]

yes mister, but how do them animals get them amino acids? from the air?
they eat simple food like grass as you said.
so why do we have to make the effort to actully breed the animal, feed it, watch it, take care of the shit, make a bloodbath, remove ''waste'', add chemicals and pack it
why the fuck not just eat grass ourselves? wouldn't that be more simple? and as i said, i already tried to eat it. and i didn't feel hungry for like 4-5hours after. i ate a handful, not more
here i found another nutiotion analysis of a leaf
http://news-malunggay-moringa-by-yo.../03/nutritional-value-of-leaves-and-pods.html

according to that site, it has alot of amino acids besides the other vitamins and minerals. I'm not sure if this information is accurate, but it sounds logical to me. Animals have to eat something to get all the nutrition crap we are so obsessed with. we are just not open minded enough and do whatever we were told to do without questioning. almost like a religion.
my conclusion is that sun is the primary food source, and i think sun gives the plants the nutritional value

We are omnivores. We evolved as critters that eat both meat and plant. We also evolved to eat high-energy foods.

Horses eat grass because they eat much of the time. They don't have to have high-energy foods, because they eat a huge volume. If you want a diet like a horse, be prepared to spend six hours a day eating -- or more, because our digestive systems aren't adapted for drawing nutrients from such things (if it's high in cellulose, we can't use it well).

Just because something has a lot of nutrients in it doesn't mean our digestive systems can get those nutrients out of it.


Your final statement, about the sun, nearly convinces me you haven't had any science past the fifth grade. I'm going to ask a mod to check into whether you're actually old enough to be on this site.