do we actully die or do we get killed?

[MoufOfKhaos]

I'm serious Spider Man.

I'll pay top dollar if you stop him.

PLEASE.

 

[Kulindahr]

yes, i know internet is not really the best place to trust people, but what i did was just shared my experience xD

now my question to you, why can we eat salads but not grass if we can not digest cellulose?

Basic botany lesson: plants aren't all the same, any more than animals are all the same.

Grasses are in the family Gramineae. Vegetables aren't -- they come from several families.

But there's something in common with the things we eat from the vegetable families that is shared with the things we do in fact eat from the grass family: we don't eat the stems. When you have a pumpkin pie, you don't throw in the leaves and stems. When you have blackberry jam, you don't include the leaves and stems. When you have whole wheat bread, you don't include the leaves and stems. When you have rice cakes, you don't include the leaves and stems.

The part we eat is one of a few things: the root, the fruit, or the flower itself. Those are low in cellulose and high in starches, with lots of minerals and vitamins not found in the stems.

There are a few exceptions, which interestingly fall mostly into the realm of spices.

 

[bluboi89]

Basic botany lesson: plants aren't all the same, any more than animals are all the same.

Grasses are in the family Gramineae. Vegetables aren't -- they come from several families.

But there's something in common with the things we eat from the vegetable families that is shared with the things we do in fact eat from the grass family: we don't eat the stems. When you have a pumpkin pie, you don't throw in the leaves and stems. When you have blackberry jam, you don't include the leaves and stems. When you have whole wheat bread, you don't include the leaves and stems. When you have rice cakes, you don't include the leaves and stems.

The part we eat is one of a few things: the root, the fruit, or the flower itself. Those are low in cellulose and high in starches, with lots of minerals and vitamins not found in the stems.

There are a few exceptions, which interestingly fall mostly into the realm of spices.

yes but what about salad, spinach and others? they'r leaves aren't they?

 

[Kulindahr]

yes but what about salad, spinach and others? they'r leaves aren't they?

What we call lettuce leaves are actually part of the lettuce flower, akin to the sepals on roses and other more obvious flowers. They're an interesting structure because they serve the function of leaves in gathering light and doing photosynthesis, but also as exterior flower parts that serve to 'guard' the main flower when it appears. Also as with sepals, lettuce 'leaves' are high in water content and vitamins.

Spinach -- not sure, though what we call leaves do look a lot more like actual leaves. I suspect it's one of a number of plants that are sort of holdovers from the distant past where plant parts were less differentiated and served more than one function.

OTOH, it's not high in cellulose, or the leaves would be rigid. What rigidity it and lettuce have come from interior water pressure.

 

[bluboi89]

ok, they'r similar to leaves.
it seems wired to me that we wouldn't be able to benefit from actual leaves. it's not like they'r unorganic
i prefer soft leaves anyway =D guess they'r not high in cellulose

 

[Kulindahr]

ok, they'r similar to leaves.
it seems wired to me that we wouldn't be able to benefit from actual leaves. it's not like they'r unorganic
i prefer soft leaves anyway =D guess they'r not high in cellulose

Soft leaves => low cellulose is a fair general rule, yes. But tree leaves are also not high in nutrition -- that's why most animals which eat them spend most of their time eating.

 

[chrisw87]

Just in the nick of time!

Look Spidey, I need you to web this kid to a wall or something.

STOP. HIM. FROM. TYPING.

 

[bluboi89]

Soft leaves => low cellulose is a fair general rule, yes. But tree leaves are also not high in nutrition -- that's why most animals which eat them spend most of their time eating.

i wouldn't be so sure
this is a bay tree
it looks like normal tree, nothing special
and yet it is like, very high in nutrition. better than bread, salads, or a normal meal
the only flaw may be calories, but somewhere i read the longer food stays in ur intestines, the less hungry you are. so maybe calories are unecassery xD
look at the magnese and iron ratio, it looks like a superfood but yet it is just a leaf..so common
http://www.nutrition-and-you.com/bay-leaf.html

 

[Kulindahr]

The bay leaf falls in the category of spices. It is used for flavoring and in fact for preserving food, as well as for its medicinal value (on diabetes and arthritis, for example). If leaves are eaten whole in quantity, they can lead to ulcers in either stomach or intestine.


Oh -- their not as potent used fresh; they should be dried. Take a bit of bay leaf, some lemon mint , some heal-all, boil for half a minute, add a teaspoon of honey, and you have a decent, healthy tea.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

^Why are you telling him what not to do?

 

[chrisw87]

The bay leaf falls in the category of spices. It is used for flavoring and in fact for preserving food, as well as for its medicinal value (on diabetes and arthritis, for example). If leaves are eaten whole in quantity, they can lead to ulcers in either stomach or intestine.


Oh -- their not as potent used fresh; they should be dried. Take a bit of bay leaf, some lemon mint , some heal-all, boil for half a minute, add a teaspoon of honey, and you have a decent, healthy tea.

I love to use them fresh for flavoring, usually because the dried variety here aren't the best quality for some reason.

I lost one in a soup once though, just a small leaf, but damn, you notice it when you find it later on in your mouth, not fun.

 

[bluboi89]

So, Bluboi, any updates on your vegetarian diet? Are you completely raw? By the way, I'm curious. Have you ever eaten dandelion greens?

actully im not, i ate loads of junk for the past 2 days actully ;P
it's hard to find decent plants... alot of them are polluted
best option would be to eat them raw, cos cooking destroys the nutritional value pretty much. but it is hard to find good plants.. alot of ppl walk their pets around the green places here so it's pretty frustrating, best thing would be to get leaves from the tree and wash em
was so annjoyed when i wanted to pick up some greens at the bus, i smelled a fucking dogshit, can't ppl force their dogs not to fucking shit next to the bus station, seriously? >_>
see, many times i lose faith in humanity

yes, i've eatem them. mostly in the spring, but they actully grow troughout the year.. who knew

 

[Kulindahr]

^Why are you telling him what not to do?

I'm not -- I'm just giving him information.

 

[Kulindahr]

I love to use them fresh for flavoring, usually because the dried variety here aren't the best quality for some reason.

I lost one in a soup once though, just a small leaf, but damn, you notice it when you find it later on in your mouth, not fun.

No kidding. A friend was helping with a stew once and stirred three of them in. I made him spread the stew out on thin pans and find them. I wasn't mean enough to make him eat one to reinforce the point.

I'm not sure if he believed me when I said if one cut his tongue it would make his tongue fall off.

 

[bluboi89]

yes, i've been into this cleanses too, but eating leafs is a better cleanse maybe
i perosnally dont have problems eating raw vegetables without dressing and i dont think fat will digest vegetables better O_O
and regarding the dandelion, i ate it in a salad with oil/vinegar which i found disgusting...
all these dressing just taste awful, i rather eat raw salads. we must have some kind of complex that raw greens can neeeeveeeeeer ease your hunger which i think is rediclious. i tried it myself, ate a handful of greens and felt no hunger for 4 hours or so

 

[Kulindahr]

I've been eating a lot of steamed vegetables lately. Raw vegetables can be difficult to digest. When I do eat raw vegetables, there has to be some kind of fat with them, cheese of some kind or a salad dressing. Actually, I usually need some kind of sauce to go with steamed vegetables as well. I can eat a lot of bland food but raw vegetables alone is intolerable and unhealthy.



How are they? Do they have to be cooked? They're supposed to be very nutritious.

Dandelion greens are good in a salad. They go well in a quiche, too.

There's always dandelion wine.

 

[chrisw87]

yes, i've been into this cleanses too, but eating leafs is a better cleanse maybe
i perosnally dont have problems eating raw vegetables without dressing and i dont think fat will digest vegetables better O_O
and regarding the dandelion, i ate it in a salad with oil/vinegar which i found disgusting...
all these dressing just taste awful, i rather eat raw salads. we must have some kind of complex that raw greens can neeeeveeeeeer ease your hunger which i think is rediclious. i tried it myself, ate a handful of greens and felt no hunger for 4 hours or so

You seem to either be a troll or have delusions. Random greens such as grass won't sustain a human in raw form without amazingly high intakes due to digestion issues, undernourishment would quickly follow once the body's stores of vitamins and minerals dissipate.

Veggies on the other hand are a different matter, I eat mostly vegetarian, and vegetables have higher nutrient content than most plants, easier to digest and provide better sustenance to a human. i.e last night I had a mixed raw broccoli salad and some garlic tomato pasta.

red fruit-vegetables, greens vegetables with high nutrients, carbs from pasta. Not grass.

 

[bluboi89]

You seem to either be a troll or have delusions. Random greens such as grass won't sustain a human in raw form without amazingly high intakes due to digestion issues, undernourishment would quickly follow once the body's stores of vitamins and minerals dissipate.

Veggies on the other hand are a different matter, I eat mostly vegetarian, and vegetables have higher nutrient content than most plants, easier to digest and provide better sustenance to a human. i.e last night I had a mixed raw broccoli salad and some garlic tomato pasta.

red fruit-vegetables, greens vegetables with high nutrients, carbs from pasta. Not grass.

i'm not saying i'm going to eat nothing but grass, i will look for a way to nourish myself way more effective with fresh greens that grow outside

 

[palbert]

i'm not saying i'm going to eat nothing but grass, i will look for a way to nourish myself way more effective with fresh greens that grow outside

So this whole kerfuffle has been about a home garden?

 

[bluboi89]

no but all this information how grocery food is without nutrition and just calories, and all this comapnys who sell nutritious drinks, 1567985641 thusands modern illnesses present and all this cancer shit made me think what we are doing wrong?
how many research has been done regarding the analysis of leaf nutrition from different trees for exmaple?
do they simply ''know'' it's empty, not digestable and just animal food, really?
again i can tell you i ate some, and nothing green came out, my digestion even improved.
all food we eat is moslty made of plants anyway, most fish eat plants, pigs eat plants, cows eat plants, chicken eat plants, horses eat plants and so on.
it's not like all this protein, amino acids and shit we need is magically made in the animals, they have their source too.
we are humans, super developed species but we aren't able to eat simple food such as leaves?