do we actully die or do we get killed?

[Kulindahr]

IF vaccines would work, it WOULD be easy to make an anti HIV vaccine.
u sample HIV, kill it, inject it. problem solved
don't u think?

This is like saying that if it's possible to trap mice, then hunting bears is no sweat.

 

[bluboi89]

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/cjinterviewep.htm


all we want is prooooooooooooooooooooofz, but we ain't got any
/dance

 

[bluboi89]

http://reducetheburden.org/?p=3960

here's another source

 

[Musik2400]

edit: Keeland beat me to it.

And also would anyone mind telling me HOW to ignore someone? Cuz I feel this idiot making my IQ drop, and would rather not see his "thoughts" on this subject, or subjects to come.

 

[bluboi89]

oh yeah? now go find the origin for the HIV virus, and give me the proper source


OFCOURSE you can't track something that doesn't exist!

 

[bluboi89]

1 more reason not to eat meat i guess ;O

AIDS means a bad immune system.
When they test you for HIV, they see if u produce antibodies to HIV or not. These antibodies get produced anytime your immune system trys to defend yourself, so basiclly you could be HIV positive during a flu, and negative after you get rid of the flu.
The HIV test doesn't actully DETECT the ''HIV virus'' but just antibodies that get produced during an attack on the immune system... it could be any virus..
Science doesn't know all viruses on the planet bcos they mutate and therefore change.. it is impossible to track this on a regular basis

And if we get down to it;
Everyone either dies of AIDS(bad immune system, means regular infections) or plugged up veins(heart attack etc..). Believeing ONE specific virus, we got from apes in africa is responsible for our bad immune systems in old age doesn't seem logical.

 

[Kulindahr]

oh yeah? now go find the origin for the HIV virus, and give me the proper source


OFCOURSE you can't track something that doesn't exist!

I've followed the literature on AIDS a bit sporadically, but even so, I'd expect to have seen if anyone credible denied the existence of HIV. I doubt it's happened.

Even your first 'source' doesn't claim that -- she just claims that it hasn't been properly isolated. If that's true, the problem needs to be corrected.


BTW, where in school did you learn that "you can't find what I demand, so my argument is good" is valid?

 

[Kulindahr]

1 more reason not to eat meat i guess ;O

AIDS means a bad immune system.
When they test you for HIV, they see if u produce antibodies to HIV or not. These antibodies get produced anytime your immune system trys to defend yourself, so basiclly you could be HIV positive during a flu, and negative after you get rid of the flu.
The HIV test doesn't actully DETECT the ''HIV virus'' but just antibodies that get produced during an attack on the immune system...
it could be any virus..
Science doesn't know all viruses on the planet bcos they mutate and therefore change.. it is impossible to track this on a regular basis

And if we get down to it;
Everyone either dies of AIDS(bad immune system, means regular infections) or plugged up veins(heart attack etc..). Believeing ONE specific virus, we got from apes in africa is responsible for our bad immune systems in old age doesn't seem logical.

I highlighted in red everything's that's false and/or ignorant.

BTW, nice to see you agreeing that mutations produce new genetic information.

 

[bluboi89]

I've followed the literature on AIDS a bit sporadically, but even so, I'd expect to have seen if anyone credible denied the existence of HIV. I doubt it's happened.

Even your first 'source' doesn't claim that -- she just claims that it hasn't been properly isolated. If that's true, the problem needs to be corrected.


BTW, where in school did you learn that "you can't find what I demand, so my argument is good" is valid?

i remember how they told me that HIV causes AIDS in school, and scared me for no reasons..
and i believed them
just saying it's hard to track viruses.. specally if they don't exist in patients who have AIDS X_X

 

[chrisw87]

1 more reason not to eat meat i guess ;O

AIDS means a bad immune system.
When they test you for HIV, they see if u produce antibodies to HIV or not. These antibodies get produced anytime your immune system trys to defend yourself, so basiclly you could be HIV positive during a flu, and negative after you get rid of the flu.
The HIV test doesn't actully DETECT the ''HIV virus'' but just antibodies that get produced during an attack on the immune system... it could be any virus..
Science doesn't know all viruses on the planet bcos they mutate and therefore change.. it is impossible to track this on a regular basis

And if we get down to it;
Everyone either dies of AIDS(bad immune system, means regular infections) or plugged up veins(heart attack etc..). Believeing ONE specific virus, we got from apes in africa is responsible for our bad immune systems in old age doesn't seem logical.

Before you type anything... ANYTHING.

Go to a literature/journal/scholarly website and actually look for what your trying explain with questions I would expect from a 10 year old.

Try;
pubmed - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

Or even Google Scholar. It may not be the best but it is better than what you are currently doing.
http://scholar.google.com.au/

 

[chrisw87]

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No I come from a family of scientists and doctors, I believe in hypothesis and repeatable experimentation.

If it does not have empirical data then I will not bleat about it. (no pun intented re: sheep).

And before you say anything about my fondness of Empiricism let it be known that I am not an atheist but actually Anglican. Faith has no place in my understanding of how different things work.

 

[bluboi89]

No I come from a family of scientists and doctors, I believe in hypothesis and repeatable experimentation.

If it does not have empirical data then I will not bleat about it. (no pun intented re: sheep).

And before you say anything about my fondness of Empiricism let it be known that I am not an atheist but actually Anglican. Faith has no place in my understanding of how different things work.

the whole hiv aids propaganda was an anti-homosexual movement, and humanity fell for it

not all aids patients have hiv
the actual test for hiv doesn't detect hiv anyway
if you by chance get hiv+ test, they perscribe you drugs that will actully give you AIDS(aka bad immune system)

i belive in scientific research too, but they failed to prove the existance of the virus in patients

 

[geloge]

?????????????

My post wasn't directed to you (please notice the "^^" not "^") but to the people who deny the existence of HIV aka Bluboi89

 

[bluboi89]

the HIV virus may have existed, wasn't harmful and had nothing to do with AIDS
i don't belive that virus exist now anywhere in the world

funny how u get aids cos of meds tho
OFCOURSE the virus doesn't give you AIDS immediatly but 10-20 years after you have been taking the drugz

 

[bluboi89]

You're a moron. I just posted an image of the HIV virus and you ignored it. Instead, you employ nothing but circular logic by repeating broad sweeping statements with absolutely no empirical evidence to back yourself up. You are just one big walking-talking fallacy. I hope for your sake you really are a troll because if you really are this stupid it's extremely depressing to know people like you exist and are of the same species as the rest of us.

Science completley doubts the existance of God and yet more than 50% of people in EU, North+South America belive God exists. It's about the money, not the truth
And the virus in your picture you posted, looks just like any other virus

 

[bluboi89]

weeds aren't even poison <3

 

[bluboi89]

How do you explain the prescription drugs given to numerous people diagnosed with HIV/AIDS that have kept them alive?

the drugs don't keep you alive. they kill you slowly.

patients who got testev hiv+ shouldn't worry that they have an incurable disease, cos it's just a normal ''flu'' that goes away , nothing else

''OH NOES, TRUTH EXPOSED, NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION''

 

[opinterph]

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