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Do we 'really' need a gay community?

Obviously one needn't limit himself to the gay community,but that it is there and can provide such a vital support and welcoming aspect to many gays just struggling after getting out of the closet makes it so needed and valuable.Obviously we're different,and don't have the same tastes,likes,even philosophies sometimes.But a place where we can feel at home,where we are understood and accepted and welcome,like a second home...we do need strong gay communities,a strong sense of community.
 
Get out more and get lives.
I hope that wasn't aimed at me.

Nothing HAS to change when you come out..
Exactly.

Certain people need to accept that *some* of us don't want to be part of any group and some of us, don't feel the need to be representin'. Some people just want to get on with their own lives. I think accepting the truth is enuff, don't ask me to be some facet for a community, I don't exist to prove that gay punk-goths are possible.
 
and

conversely

some of us need to realize that we are all part of this same group whether we like being gay or not
 
and

conversely

some of us need to realize that we are all part of this same group whether we like being gay or not

What does that have to do with anything? I like who I am, and that has nothing to do with my unwillingness to consider myself part of any group.

By that logic, im part of the White community, French Canadian community, the Anti-Religious community, et cetera...Does every one of my characteristics bind me to a community??? I know I'm white, i don't need to tell people I'm proud to be white, it's who I am, and it works the same for being gay.
 
*screams* *runs around room waving hands in air*

"No! You cant make me! I'm going to invent a new word! I'm an adidelsionalasss"

*runs away laughing gayly*

If you have nothing mature to add may I suggest you sit at the kiddies' table.
 
Well I personally like being a part of this community so...... whatever.

As I said in another post somewhere, this is pretty much the only place I've found online where I can just be myself. I don't feel I'm separating myself from the global community. I'm in a place where I can be who I am without be judged too harshly. I've never found that before. And even those who do judge me and those who may not even like me, whatever, that's cool too. Just because I'm gay and hanging in a gay community, I don't expect everyone to look at me like, "Oh! He's one of my kind, I can't be mean to him! I can't disagree with him! If I disagree with one of my own, I'll go to hell in a handbasket because that's just not right!"

lol, that's crazy. Gay or not, we're still just people with our own minds and our own opinions. And I don't expect ANY of you to agree with my opinions all of the time.

Whether JUB is "unique" or not (and I'm personally glad it kinda is) it's here. We choose whether or not to stay. I'm not saying I'll be here forever. I could be history in 6 months, who knows. But for now I'm content.
 
OOohhhhh! I've been told off!! :rotflmao:

Given the level of mature debate around here, I think my comment surpasses that maturity.
If you feel the need to respond to this debate, obviously you are only as mature as you claim this is.

Well I personally like being a part of this community so...... whatever.

As I said in another post somewhere, this is pretty much the only place I've found online where I can just be myself. I don't feel I'm separating myself from the global community. I'm in a place where I can be who I am without be judged too harshly. I've never found that before. And even those who do judge me and those who may not even like me, whatever, that's cool too. Just because I'm gay and hanging in a gay community, I don't expect everyone to look at me like, "Oh! He's one of my kind, I can't be mean to him! I can't disagree with him! If I disagree with one of my own, I'll go to hell in a handbasket because that's just not right!"

lol, that's crazy. Gay or not, we're still just people with our own minds and our own opinions. And I don't expect ANY of you to agree with my opinions all of the time.

Whether JUB is "unique" or not (and I'm personally glad it kinda is) it's here. We choose whether or not to stay. I'm not saying I'll be here forever. I could be history in 6 months, who knows. But for now I'm content.

I agree with you. However I've found a few places where I can be myself, online and offline. Sometimes, I even find other places to be more accepting of my individuality than this place.

I think some people might be misunderstanding me, so let me put it another way.
I am not a facet of the gay community, rather, homosexuality is a facet of my person.
 
"Gay Community"? What the hell is this site? I don't advocate having marches and displaying the stereotypes that most of the "straight" world believes we all are, but I do see a need for gay men to seek refuge in an environment that has no ridicule or persecution for what we are.

I see Jub as a "Gay community", but that doesn't mean it dominates my life or has me with blinders on, unable to see what's going on all around us. If I didn't join this site and meet other gay men, I would probably still be in the closet leading a very frustrating life thinking I'm just a freak of nature. So, I do feel we need a "gay community" in whatever form that is most comfortable for guys dealing with what they think is something that no one else understands or can accept.
 
What does that have to do with anything? I like who I am, and that has nothing to do with my unwillingness to consider myself part of any group.

By that logic, im part of the White community, French Canadian community, the Anti-Religious community, et cetera...Does every one of my characteristics bind me to a community??? I know I'm white, i don't need to tell people I'm proud to be white, it's who I am, and it works the same for being gay.

oh please, peaches...

ive looked the monster you're wrestling with square in the eyes on so many occasions now its not funny

i am an openly gay hiv positive half greek half persian muslim man

not ONE of those communities is very fond of the other one

i am simultaneously a member AND an outcast of every group that my identity contains, so your arguement really doesnt make any sense to me. you are part of these things.

reality is just what it is

the more we resist our individual facets that define our personal uniqueness, the more we isolate ourselves from those that remind us of that which we seek to suppress

as carl jung once said...

he who does not acnowledge his shadows will allow them to rule him

the gay community is not santy claus.... its existance is not subject to individual approval

the gay community is not about being in your face and openly proud.

its about finding people that understand us and finding support as we seek to find ourselves and our dignity as human beings.
 
I agree with you. However I've found a few places where I can be myself, online and offline.

I'm not saying I can't be myself offline. I'm totally out now, everyone that directly touches my life knows I'm gay.

I'm just saying that JUB is part of who and what I am. And it's the ONLY online community I've been a part of where I can just be who I am without faking myself, without saying I'm someone I'm not, without being afraid that my views and opinions and 'orientation' are going to offend somebody or make them dislike me simply because of what I am. If people here dislike me, I want them to dislike me because perhaps they don't agree with my opinions or how I voice myself or what I think about certain topics or whatever their reason may be.... not because I'm gay.

Does that make any sense?

I've been in a few places that know me simply as an online persona. But if they knew I was (were? now I'm confusing myself) gay, I'd be chewed a new asshole on a regular basis.
 
Well. Yes, and No. On the one hand if we do not support eachother, no one else will. There is a lot of anger and prejudice toward the gay population (yes--and others too) in this world. We need the support of eachother to stand against it.
On the other hand it would be nice to see the day at which we could blend in with the neighborhoods and populations around us and be accepted as equal equals, not "different" equals. Someday the question of a persons sexuality will hopefully not even need to be raised. And the more we (and I KNOW this is going to get me in trouble) say LOOK AT US! LOOK AT US!, we are seperating ourselves from the population that we want to be accepted by. Do you see what I mean?
 
"Gay community"? :rotflmao:

That's almost as ridiculous a concept as "Christian community", "Muslim community", "Satanist community" ...or even "Straight community". :lol:


Communities (plural) might possibly have slightly more relevance.
 
No, most of them are full of shit but someone insisted that I had to have an enema today. So now I'm just oozing watery brown stuff.
I'll talk to you when you actually say something.

oh please, peaches...

ive looked the monster you're wrestling with square in the eyes on so many occasions now its not funny

i am an openly gay hiv positive half greek half persian muslim man

not ONE of those communities is very fond of the other one

i am simultaneously a member AND an outcast of every group that my identity contains, so your arguement really doesnt make any sense to me. you are part of these things.

reality is just what it is

the more we resist our individual facets that define our personal uniqueness, the more we isolate ourselves from those that remind us of that which we seek to suppress

as carl jung once said...

he who does not acnowledge his shadows will allow them to rule him

the gay community is not santy claus.... its existance is not subject to individual approval

the gay community is not about being in your face and openly proud.

its about finding people that understand us and finding support as we seek to find ourselves and our dignity as human beings.
Do not pretend to know me, you don't know shit about me. I think you and I have different views on individualism. I have characteristics and facets which I accept. What I don't accept, is that the things which define me, would also bind me to any groups. Me being separatist doesn't bind me to the FLQ. A black man is not bound to the Black Panthers. With the exception of the Nazis, people usually get to chose what groups they belong to.

I'm not saying I can't be myself offline. I'm totally out now, everyone that directly touches my life knows I'm gay.

I'm just saying that JUB is part of who and what I am. And it's the ONLY online community I've been a part of where I can just be who I am without faking myself, without saying I'm someone I'm not, without being afraid that my views and opinions and 'orientation' are going to offend somebody or make them dislike me simply because of what I am. If people here dislike me, I want them to dislike me because perhaps they don't agree with my opinions or how I voice myself or what I think about certain topics or whatever their reason may be.... not because I'm gay.

Does that make any sense?

I've been in a few places that know me simply as an online persona. But if they knew I was (were? now I'm confusing myself) gay, I'd be chewed a new asshole on a regular basis.
It makes sense to me and I certainly accept that. It's important for each individual to be where they feel comfortable, I wouldn't knock you for that.
 
Whenever I hear someone talk about any kind of community (like the black community etc.) the first word that comes into my mind is "separation". I feel that as soon as you call yourself a member of a community based on your race, sexual orientation or whatever your minority is, you automatically separate yourself from the global community.

This isn't what real life is really like.
But aside from that I disagree with the stance of being 'color blind,' etc. Why? Because, unless you're blind, you're not really blind.
On the contrary, enjoy the differences, whatever they may be.
This way you don't have to incorporate a falsehood into your personality.
Enjoy reality for what it is. Sometimes it's challenging---so what? If you already have too much adapting on your plate, excuse yourself. Otherwise, dive in and understand and enjoy the differences.
Why are there "communities"? First, History. Second, "Familiarities." You aren't and can never be familiar with every community. There are too many.
Recognize your community or neighborhood for what it is and also recognize that all communities are part of the community of the Whole.

But having said all this, I think the "gay community" has, if it will, an apartness that presents evolutionary advantages for the community of the Whole. The human community is an intelligence network and not "intelligent" otherwise. The sub-community of which you are presently concerned processes intelligence differently and to advantage for the Whole. Or so it is my belief.
 
OK, before you all throw me off the planet, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a gay community but I'm having my doubts calling myself a part of it.

Whenever I hear someone talk about any kind of community (like the black community etc.) the first word that comes into my mind is "separation". I feel that as soon as you call yourself a member of a community based on your race, sexual orientation or whatever your minority is, you automatically separate yourself from the global community.

I was raised to be non-judgmental and non-political and I managed (or still am working on it) to overlook any personal traits and look at everyone as a human being. In my eyes there are no communities, there are only people with different or similar (cultural) backgrounds.

Having said that, I don't believe that we need to hold on to the community while we're told to be unique cause it's giving me a headache at some point. There should be support from all over the place, no matter who or what you are. I mean, we are striving for equality after all.

I don't know why we need a flag and why we need a pride parade and all that nonsense that freaks out every homophobe within close proximity. I know that we have to be heard to make a difference but we can do that without becoming obnoxious drama queens.

Do you feel part of the gay community (as it is displayed with all bells and whistles) or not and if yes, why do you think there has to be one?

When you can walk down the street holding hands with the same sex partner that you're married too, and you have equality in every shape form and fashion that your parents have, then you can leave your "minority status" behind.

When we give in to what "they" want, without getting anything in exchange except "more of the same" then what do you/we gain?

Isn't THAT one of the reasons WHY you/we/I come out of the closet in the first place?

To show the "homo-phobes" both at work and within our families, that we're the same but NOT equal?

If we're equal, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

The "community," with all of it's faults, would be nothing more than a "self-imposed-ghetto" if we leave it behind because we can't see immediately what it all means, and how we related to it.

But we're more than that!

We're family, and friends, and coworkers, and neighbors, and LOVED ones, who currently do not share the same "status" minority or otherwise with the rest of our friends, family, coworkers, neighbors, and society.

I get what you're saying, I just don't believe that WE'RE there yet.

I've always laughed whenever I heard some "right-wing-nut" proclaim, "THEY JUST WANT SPECIAL RIGHTS!"

What's so special about wanting to be treated as an equal?

A "special right" IMO, is a right given to those who have all the rights.

But you're right.

We may not even need a "gay community." Eventually "gay" may actually become something that "we are," but someone has to be around to remind them about the "house-cleaning" that they need to do legally to clean up the "homophobic/political/get-out-the-evangelical-vote legislative crap that's been passed to make us second-class citizens.

Not "separate but equal" mind you, but "not worthy of consideration."

Anyway, that's my two cents on the issue.

Stay if you will, go if you must.

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thats the deal though, isnt it, trydegrau

we all really do know each other in some ways that others just dont

its important for me to interact with all the different communities that i am inherently part of because, aside from giving me the support, they keep me honest.

If i want pity as an HIV pos guy, i best not show up at my support group for that, because there are too many guys there, bith gay and straight that know pity wont buy you Tcells.

when i post to this board, this community, i am not going to always get the answer i want, but i am always going to get the answer i need. That is the value of these communities.

you can resist that truth if you want

it will not change it

we asociate with people for a wide variety of reasons. one of them is so that you can be called on your shit in a friendly but firm environment. We arent here to hold hands all the time.

you may want to consider that some of us have been there and we understand that you arent wanting to run from the gay community because you are misunderstood.... some of us get that you are running because you realize that you are understood entirely too much to be comfortable
 
i do feel the need for a gay community. i grew up very christian. and if i didn't have the support and knowledge of the gay community i would still be compleatly lost. i was miserable as a kid. now for the first time i feel free to find who i am. and i am happy for the first time.

so for me yes the gay community was vital.
 
we all really do know each other in some ways that others just dont
People know that I'm gay, that's pretty much where it ends. I find it presumptuous that anyone would pretend to know anything about me based on that fact.
some of us get that you are running because you realize that you are understood entirely too much to be comfortable
To run from something, I would have had to start off there. And no, I don't find I'm understood very well at all, you're basing your presumptions on the idea that homosexuality is at the center of my life, feelings and concerns, it is not. Frankly, I find it insulting, and even arrogant, that you continue to presume to know me. I would tell you that I had other, deeper concerns in my life long before discovering my sexuality, but it's really none of your business.
 
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