The Original Gay Porn Community - Free Gay Movies and Photos, Gay Porn Site Reviews and Adult Gay Forums

  • Welcome To Just Us Boys - The World's Largest Gay Message Board Community

    In order to comply with recent US Supreme Court rulings regarding adult content, we will be making changes in the future to require that you log into your account to view adult content on the site.
    If you do not have an account, please register.
    REGISTER HERE - 100% FREE / We Will Never Sell Your Info

    To register, turn off your VPN; you can re-enable the VPN after registration. You must maintain an active email address on your account: disposable email addresses cannot be used to register.

  • Hi Guest - Did you know?
    Hot Topics is a Safe for Work (SFW) forum.

Do we 'really' need a gay community?

People know that I'm gay, that's pretty much where it ends. I find it presumptuous that anyone would pretend to know anything about me based on that fact.

To run from something, I would have had to start off there. And no, I don't find I'm understood very well at all, you're basing your presumptions on the idea that homosexuality is at the center of my life, feelings and concerns, it is not. Frankly, I find it insulting, and even arrogant, that you continue to presume to know me. I would tell you that I had other, deeper concerns in my life long before discovering my sexuality, but it's really none of your business.

Well first off you need to get with the program and realize that "it ain't all about you."

I get what you're saying, and I'm pretty sure that Andreus does too.

I myself am not some "gay-ghetto-queen." I've been a part of "IT" but like what you've expressed regarding your sexuality it's not the "end all be all of who I am."

All that I can ask, is to please don't be so quick to dismiss the rest of us "out of turn" because it's not who YOU are, or who or what you perceive yourself to be at the moment.

Gay guys who identify themselves exclusively with the Gay Community, are just as annoying to me as those "Gays" refuse to identify with the Gay Community AT ALL.

It's all about finding a balance. IMHO.

(*8*)
 
Well first off you need to get with the program and realize that "it ain't all about you."

I get what you're saying, and I'm pretty sure that Andreus does too.

I myself am not some "gay-ghetto-queen." I've been a part of "IT" but like what you've expressed regarding your sexuality it's not the "end all be all of who I am."

All that I can ask, is to please don't be so quick to dismiss the rest of us "out of turn" because it's not who YOU are, or who or what you perceive yourself to be at the moment.

Gay guys who identify themselves exclusively with the Gay Community, are just as annoying to me as those "Gays" refuse to identify with the Gay Community AT ALL.

It's all about finding a balance. IMHO.

(*8*)

I get what you are saying. I don't automatically dismiss gay guys. True, I can't stand those guys who would make their gender preference a life obsession. I dismiss the idea that I'm part of something when I didn't make a conscious choice to be part of it. I've come to see the term "gay community" as a label that is applied to all gays, I don't necessarily believe the community bit anymore, not when there is this much diversity and opposing views. Most communities usually come to agreements on certain issues, we do not. I would be more inclined to believe in gay communities, I could even eventually chose to be a part of one (say, the punk/goth variety) but a single unifying one? I don't see much evidence of it.
 
People know that I'm gay, that's pretty much where it ends. I find it presumptuous that anyone would pretend to know anything about me based on that fact.

To run from something, I would have had to start off there. And no, I don't find I'm understood very well at all, you're basing your presumptions on the idea that homosexuality is at the center of my life, feelings and concerns, it is not. Frankly, I find it insulting, and even arrogant, that you continue to presume to know me. I would tell you that I had other, deeper concerns in my life long before discovering my sexuality, but it's really none of your business.

no

i am not basing anything on anything about you. i am sharing my life and my experiences with you.

homosexuality is an important aspect of our lives. it defines the pursuit of a mate, and that is a core human need and a spiritually fulfilling process. but homosexuality is not the center of my life. my faith is. most people know that who have gotten to know me.

what i dont get is the over wrought emotions here on this topic for you.

look..... I am greek. It doesnt mean that i get along with the other greek guys here. we do occasionally talk and when we do theres an aspect of me that they understand that everyone else does not. Sometimes i speak in arabic to the muslim guys here, but it doesnt mean that we know each other intimately. it just means that we know each other in a certain way.

we share a very unique and unusual trait and we interact and understand each other on a deeper level than with others.

saying that it is or isnt the center of an identity is not even in the discussion. Interacting with other gay men will show you that.

and i want to ask you...

if you are not here to interact with other gay men and participate in the gay community then why are you posting here and why are you so emotionally invested in the responses that you get.

you are far deeper into the " gay community" than alot of people would ever consider.

what is wrong with that?

we all give and take as we can.

I will tell you this....

being gay is about a hell of alot more than cock and ass... its an emotional and spiritual thing and i hope you give yourself the chance to find that out;)
 
Gay guys who identify themselves exclusively with the Gay Community, are just as annoying to me as those "Gays" refuse to identify with the Gay Community AT ALL

..|

absolutely

its not the whole picture, but its a part of the picture that cannot be left out.

thanks for saying that:kiss:
 
no

what i dont get is the over wrought emotions here on this topic for you.
Because I object to the idea that willing or not I am part of a community, this is not the Hitler youth.
look..... I am greek. It doesnt mean that i get along with the other greek guys here. we do occasionally talk and when we do theres an aspect of me that they understand that everyone else does not. Sometimes i speak in arabic to the muslim guys here, but it doesnt mean that we know each other intimately. it just means that we know each other in a certain way.

we share a very unique and unusual trait and we interact and understand each other on a deeper level than with others.

That is the case for you, and I respect that. I'm not very deep with most people, but I will be equally as deep with anyone and everyone I chose to speak to, regardless of weather or not I have something in common with them. Often, my friends tend to be the kind of people I have nothing in common with.

saying that it is or isnt the center of an identity is not even in the discussion. Interacting with other gay men will show you that.

and i want to ask you...

if you are not here to interact with other gay men and participate in the gay community then why are you posting here and why are you so emotionally invested in the responses that you get.

I am here to interact with other gay men, I am not here to be part of any community, interaction and discussion doesn't make me part of a community, If I talk to a black man or men, does it make me part of their community? If I can't be here and simply talk to guys without adhering to a community, than I'll leave.

you are far deeper into the " gay community" than alot of people would ever consider.

what is wrong with that?

we all give and take as we can.

I will tell you this....

being gay is about a hell of alot more than cock and ass... its an emotional and spiritual thing and i hope you give yourself the chance to find that out;)

being emotionally invested in an issue makes me passionate, about politics and social issues, I don't believe it places me deep within a community.

And for the record, there's nothing spiritual about me, but I'll agree that it is an emotional thing, along with a few other emotional things that take up a lot of my attention.
 
Being human is all about communities

OK, before you all throw me off the planet, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a gay community but I'm having my doubts calling myself a part of it.

Whenever I hear someone talk about any kind of community (like the black community etc.) the first word that comes into my mind is "separation". I feel that as soon as you call yourself a member of a community based on your race, sexual orientation or whatever your minority is, you automatically separate yourself from the global community.

I just came back from Manhattan where I saw a hysterical Broadway play called "Avenue Q". One of the (many) (seemingly) politically incorrect songs in that play is called "Everyone's A Little Bit Racist."

The point of the song is this: racism is wrong. Judging someone based on race (or sexual preference or identity or whatever) is very wrong. But everyone is part of many communities--whether that's being Catholic or Jewish or Polish or gay or transgender or black or Hispanic or having a fetish for dirty socks. And people tend to promote their little communities; the point of the song is that that promotion/identity with one or more groups is a good thing. In a sense it's racist in that you're promoting one group over another. That's why "everyone's a little bit racist." But if we humans didn't do that, we'd all be generic clones.

Everyone has identity and preferences and it's perfectly OK to identify with communities in a positive way. Just don't put someone down (or refuse to hire them or whatever) for being part of some other community.

As other wise men in this thread have pointed out (like SoilWork and Centex Farmer and others) being part of a gay community doesn't mean you have to be a clone of the limp-wristed, lisping gay stereotype (although there's nothing wrong being that stereotype, only be that way if that's who you truly are).

Likewise, not all members of the Italian community are mafia members, and not all members of the Irish community like potatoes. Those are just stereotypes. Italians and Irishmen don't say they're "not part of the Irish/Italian community" just because they're not part of the mafia or don't like potatoes, do they?
 
I don't know why we need a flag and why we need a pride parade and all that nonsense that freaks out every homophobe within close proximity. I know that we have to be heard to make a difference but we can do that without becoming obnoxious drama queens.


if we really want to stop freaking out every homophobe on the planet we need to stop existing :)

yes we do need gay communities.
 
I'll try and give my own definition of the gay community. They are not the gay cruise-y bars or the gay saunas. For me my definition would be the established support groups and charities that look after the interests of lgbt.

I understand why you view this as a form of segregation but I think these groups are designed to create a safe space for gays to socialise without fear of ridicule or homophobic behaviour. Now if society completely eradicated homophobia then yeah we wouldn't need these groups. I believe that these groups also help these people to integrate more into the "straight" world cos of the social benefits they bring. You are very idealistic about the right to seek help or support no matter what background or sexual orientation you are but suppose in a specific case someone had a problem coming out- now I think it would be in their best interests to refer them to a gay support group ie someone who has experience in dealing with that kind of problem. Plus with political groups and activists and even drag queens- they are the reason why we becoming closer to being treated as equal citizens with the same civil rights as any other. Hence this allows us to integrate into the "normal"world.

As for Pride it's first principle was the idea of being yourself. Closeted people could feel free to be themselves and be gay (however I think one does not need to strip down to their underwear to do this!), do something outrageous which they couldn't have done without fear of being ridiculed or attacked (hence the drag queens- I think they're hilarious!) and it is also about having fun as well.

At the moment homophobia is still pretty common in the world hence this is why we need the "gay community" You just have to know where to look for it.
 
I agree completely. If I want to speak for myself, I'll do it, otherwise I don't like anyone doing it for me.

I can only speak for myself. Regardless of how other people see it, I don't feel part of any group or community. Apart from what I like, I have very little in common with the community. On the political level, the environment, economy, language, sovereignty and immigration remain bigger concerns for me than gay politics. When I came out to my friends, nothing changed, except admitting the truth, I didn't suddenly become part of any group. Not that I have anything against it, I just don't like the idea of spokespersons and community leaders speaking and acting for me or in my name, and I just don't agree with half the politics that come with being part of the gay community. Course, that's just me, I'm extremely individualistic. I believe dividing the country into groups of any kind creates more divisions, not less.
 
Because I object to the idea that willing or not I am part of a community, this is not the Hitler youth.
I think this is a common issue and the reason that this subject surfaces so often around here. People want others to get to know them for who they are and not assumed to be something else because of a characteristic they possess.

So they rebel against the idea of a gay community because out in the real world they feel they are being judged for the behaviors of others in the community (such as the gay pride marches, etc.). I don't like being judged that way either but I attribute it mostly to the ignorance of the person judging.
 
I think we need a gay community as a place for understanding, acceptance, and a 'place' to set up the organization of the movement to build bridges to other communities.

Right now, we're in a position where relatively few people understand us or support us, so that space is necessary. By using the 'gay community' as a borderless space to build and foster understanding, eventually it will expand and dissipate until there is no more 'gay community'.
 
Why do people keep talking about leaders and spokespeople? A community has a collective voice, an organization has leaders.

Be that as it may, there are still people that go on record (TV, print, internet) who presume to speak for the community. So weather or not one believes in spokespersons or leaders, there are people out there assuming the role, and speaking for all of us. I don't know about you, but I've never been polled, I haven't been asked for my opinion on anything pertaining to homosexuality, so how could anyone presume to speak for me uniquely on the basis of my orientation?

That's why I prefer to not identify with any community, because people assume that I have whole slew of political and social beliefs based on what they see on the media, based on those who presume to speak for us.
 
Look at it this way: do we need families? Do you sit around the Thanksgiving table with your parents and siblings and aunts and uncles and cousins worrying that you're cutting yourself off from the rest of the world by being part of this family? I know I don't.

Do we need coats of arms or family mottoes? Do we need family reunions? It's the same thing as flags and parades.

Do we need neighborhoods? Do we need cities, states, countries? These are all communities. Families are usually based in blood and/or in common history; neighborhoods and cities and states and countries are based in proximity. But we belong to these communities whether we like it or not. We may not be active members of those communities, we may not agree with their leaders or spokesmen, we may wish to change our communities. But we never leave them behind, they're always there, and we're always part of them.

All of us come from a family, a neighborhood, a city, a state, a country; even if we've physically left the communities of our origins, we retain the patterns they've set on us, and they are added to rather than replaced by the communities we become part of as a matter of choice. No matter where we go or what we do, we still have those communities in our past, and our present, they have shaped who we are.

We don't cease to be a part of those communities because someone on the outside judges us by them, do we? I mean, am I going to stop being an American because the French supposedly don't like us? Am I going to stop being a Californian because the governor deigns to speak for me without seeking my opinion? Am I going to stop being a Manners because I disagree with how my sister lives her life?

Hardly.

I didn't choose to be homosexual, just like I didn't choose to be born in this family, this neighborhood, this city, this state, this country. I do choose to embrace my sexuality, my family, my neighborhood, my city, my state, my country because they are part of me and I don't wish to run from who I am. I like who and what I am.

I didn't choose to be part of the gay community any more than I chose to be part of my family; but I did choose to be an active and positive member of both of those communities instead of a bitter sideliner bitching and moaning about how the communities aren't catering to my wishes.

If you're gay, ipso facto you're a member of the community, like it or not... you have to choose whether to be an active member for the common good or to be a sideliner who contributes nothing... or a deserter who seeks another community altogether and pretends to have never been part of your own origins. That's all up to you.

But you're one of us, nevertheless.
 
(Does anyone else ever wish to frame Robert~Marlénè's excellent, well thought-out posts?)
 
Of course we need a gay community. The goal of Communities is not to separate people, its to unite us gay men so we can give each other support. Certain topics i can only discuss with gay people because straight guys would not understand. It helps if u can find others who share the common interest.
From my personal point of view, i think i have benefited greatly through this gay community / jub forum. Without it, i think all the things that i kept inside me would still be inside me, and its a great way to find the release i needed.
 
Look at it this way: do we need families? Do you sit around the Thanksgiving table with your parents and siblings and aunts and uncles and cousins worrying that you're cutting yourself off from the rest of the world by being part of this family? I know I don't.

Do we need coats of arms or family mottoes? Do we need family reunions? It's the same thing as flags and parades.

Do we need neighborhoods? Do we need cities, states, countries? These are all communities. Families are usually based in blood and/or in common history; neighborhoods and cities and states and countries are based in proximity. But we belong to these communities whether we like it or not. We may not be active members of those communities, we may not agree with their leaders or spokesmen, we may wish to change our communities. But we never leave them behind, they're always there, and we're always part of them.

All of us come from a family, a neighborhood, a city, a state, a country; even if we've physically left the communities of our origins, we retain the patterns they've set on us, and they are added to rather than replaced by the communities we become part of as a matter of choice. No matter where we go or what we do, we still have those communities in our past, and our present, they have shaped who we are.

We don't cease to be a part of those communities because someone on the outside judges us by them, do we? I mean, am I going to stop being an American because the French supposedly don't like us? Am I going to stop being a Californian because the governor deigns to speak for me without seeking my opinion? Am I going to stop being a Manners because I disagree with how my sister lives her life?

Hardly.

I didn't choose to be homosexual, just like I didn't choose to be born in this family, this neighborhood, this city, this state, this country. I do choose to embrace my sexuality, my family, my neighborhood, my city, my state, my country because they are part of me and I don't wish to run from who I am. I like who and what I am.

I didn't choose to be part of the gay community any more than I chose to be part of my family; but I did choose to be an active and positive member of both of those communities instead of a bitter sideliner bitching and moaning about how the communities aren't catering to my wishes.

If you're gay, ipso facto you're a member of the community, like it or not... you have to choose whether to be an active member for the common good or to be a sideliner who contributes nothing... or a deserter who seeks another community altogether and pretends to have never been part of your own origins. That's all up to you.

But you're one of us, nevertheless.
*swooooon....:luv2: I couldn't (and didn't) have said it better myself.
 
gay community - difficult to define and to find, i think - it's just those of us who are gay - we do have this common bond, and we are hated and despised in many places. as for the flag and the pride - does any country need a flag - the country is still there. if the flag and the exhorts to be proud of ourselves helps even one tortured gay person find others to support him, then it has been needed. gays are everywhere across racial, ethnic economic national whatever boundaries and this probably makes the idea of community that much more difficult to make nice and neat. there are wonderful gays, despicable gays, blah gays, etc etc.
ding
 
If you're gay, ipso facto you're a member of the community, like it or not... you have to choose whether to be an active member for the common good or to be a sideliner who contributes nothing... or a deserter who seeks another community altogether and pretends to have never been part of your own origins. That's all up to you.

But you're one of us, nevertheless.


Merriam-Webster said:
Main Entry: com·mu·ni·ty
Pronunciation: k&-'myü-n&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English comunete, from Anglo-French communité, from Latin communitat-, communitas, from communis
1 : a unified body of individuals: as a : STATE, COMMONWEALTH b : the people with common interests living in a particular area; broadly : the area itself <the problems of a large community> c : an interacting population of various kinds of individuals (as species) in a common location d : a group of people with a common characteristic or interest living together within a larger society <a community of retired persons> e : a group linked by a common policy f : a body of persons or nations having a common history or common social, economic, and political interests <the international community> g : a body of persons of common and especially professional interests scattered through a larger society <the academic community>

In all instances of the definition, I do not see your idea of this community. We do not all live together, we don't share a common location, we don't have a common history, we don't have a common social, economic and political interest,...I simply don't see your definition of community up there.

"If you're gay, ipso facto you're a member of the community."
To reuse an old example, under Hitler, if you grew up in Germany, you were ipso facto part of the Hitler Youth.
See that's my problem, I don't like people telling me what I am a part of, I take care of those decisions for my own person, thank you.
As for origins, I don't originate from the gay community, so I have nothing to pretend. You want to call me a deserter or a sideliner, fine, if that makes ya'll feel better. I know that I am my own person, with freedom of association.

"But you're one of us, nevertheless." You are gay and I am gay, that's all we have in common, I don't have to like or dislike you.

So what you are all saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that,
being gay = compulsory membership with the gay community = expected to contribute something.
What is this, gay fascism?
by your example, if I align myself with any given political party, it makes me a lifetime supporter, with an expectation to contribute to the party ... This is totally illogical.

I guess I should repeat myself...regardless of how other people see things, I decide for my own free person what groups and communities I am, and am not, part of.

 
there is no cure for being gay

if you want to feel better about it, you probably ought to look for the half full cup instead of the half empty one

you are just like all of us

completely unique creatures who happen to be attracted to members of the same sex.

we support each other because people hate that one aspect of our difference

just relax

you are fine;)
 
Back
Top