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Do you believe in God ?

Do I believe in God? No. I get that people need and want badly to be guided, protected, whatever by their higher power. When we consider the good that God has done....the imaginary good vs. the fucked up shit that men and women have perpetrated in "his name"....Even if there were a God, it would be a losing proposition.
People running around spewing horseshit from a mythology concocted 2000 + years ago and imposing that on my life....no. Freedom of religion is freedom from religion. I have lived enough to realize that shit just happens and randomly beyond anyone's control. There is no "greater plan' and the really bad shit that happens to us is not anybody's will....usually it is a result our own fuck ups. No body's going to forgive you your trespasses. Just stop doin' that shit. Butterfly McQueen became a social worker in NYC after she bailed on Hollywood. She is quoted, "As my ancestors were freed from slavery, so I am freed from the slavery of religion." Also she believed that if the money we spend on Jesus Christ and mythology were spent on people, there would be no hunger or poverty.
 
cashit305, yes, I believe in God. I know that there is life after death and if there is life after death then there is most likely a God. I also think that there is a likely chance that aliens from outer space visited our planet throughout history and were sometimes called angels. But it doesn't matter if there were aliens or not, or what they were called, the gist of the story is the same. Thank you for your comments.
 
I sense, and do believe, there is a "Higher Power", above and beyond, each of us as individuals.

I do not know what it is, or whether it's a he, a she, both, or neither.

Perhaps it is "The Force" of all of us together. That "connection" that we all have to all other living things, animals (including us), plants, and even the rocks and minerals that make up our living planet.

Maybe it's as tiny as the spinning of the electrons in the atoms that construct the molecules that everything is made of.

Maybe it's as big as our combined dreams, aspirations, loves, and desires.

Maybe it's what we see in a dew drop, on a flower petal, sparkling in the morning sunshine.

Maybe it's the smell and feel of the sea breeze, gently nuzzling our skin, as we boldly stand, feet wide apart and arms raised, naked to the world, on a beach.

Maybe it's the taste of snowflakes landing on our extended tongues.

Maybe it's the sound of a baby's cry.

Maybe it's the smile on a stranger's face.

Maybe it's someone reaching out to help another.

Maybe it's knowing what is right, and what is wrong. Recognizing good vs. bad.

I know that many of us are more sensitive to it than others might be.

However, I also know that all of us feel it to some degree.

Unfortunately, there are also those among us who intentionally choose to ignore, or purposefully deny, it as best they can.

Whatever "IT" is, it's definitely there, all around, and within us. (o) (group)
 
It is a fairy tale loved by some who love to shove it up our you know what! As for me Atheist and Proud to each his own!
 
Kyanimal said:
Unfortunately, there are also those among us who intentionally choose to ignore, or purposefully deny, it as best they can.

Whatever "IT" is, it's definitely there, all around, and within us. (o) (group)
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I don't know about the rest of the users in this thread, but, I don't deny it; I don't ignore it; I just don't believe it.
 
^^ Yeah, kyanimal, I don't believe these things. Whether you want to call it spirituality or religion or whatever, this just doesn't do it for me.
 
I do not believe in God.

I choose to believe that the Universe is a single "entity" and what we see are simply the protrusions of that entity into the dimensions we experience: essentially we continue on in higher dimensions even though our protrusion changes when we die.

I also believe that we are not in control of our lives as much as we like to think as everything is interconnected: we punish people for their actions, yet the outcome of those actions is contributed by many other events outside our control.
 
Are there powers, and influences, that are greater than us? Oh, HELL, Yeah! Do we know, and understand, everything around us? HECK, No! There may not be A "God", but there are things that control us that we have no control over.

"Name one!", you say?

Gravity ...
 
Ya lost me Kyanimal. I don't get what you're saying.

I don't think gravity is intelligent.
 
^ Throughout our known history on this planet, that which we didn't understand was considered "magic", or the desire, and intervention, of a "God". Otherwise, how could whatever it was be happening? The movement of the Sun, storms, wind, waves, seasonal changes, etc., MUST be being directed by a superior being. We were either being punished, or blessed. We developed rituals, sacrifices, etc., to appease the anger of the "Gods", and to encourage them to smile upon us.

We also used the wrath of "God" to our advantage to police society. "If you don't behave, "God" is gonna getcha!" That's SILL in use, and there's a sucker born every minute!

Ever so slowly, we began to figure things out through the development of science, being the curious little bastards that we are. "Wait a minute! Earth isn't flat? Whatta ya mean it's not the Sun that's moving, but we're doing the moving? Are you whacked? WTF?!! Go to your room, and stay there, Galileo!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

We eventually pulled back the curtains around "God", and there's nobody there (unless you count Ma Nature). To this day, many of us have not yet figured out that WE are "The Gods", and we are harming our planet. Instead of our home being mean to us, we are systemically changing and destroying IT!

Well ... actually the planet is gonna be just fine, and it might even be better off once we can no longer live on it. Think of us as a planetary infection ...

Still, within us, and not yet fully understanding ourselves even, we sense, and observe, each other, feel hope, wonder, joy, hate, despair, etc., etc., etc. Those are the "Gods" driving us today.

That which we do not understand is deemed a "God" by us. So, yeah, gravity could be a "God". We know it's there, but can't yet fully explain, or control it.

So, now, am I saying there is no "God"? Quite the contrary. I see "God" every time I look at another being, whether human, a 'lesser' animal, plant, even rocks and soil, the heavenly bodies suspended 'above' us, or feel the wind ruffling my hair. "God" is all around us, all the time! We are living on, among, and within, he/she/it, and are a part thereof. (ww) (group)

"We are spiritual beings having a human experience." _ Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...beings-human-journey-remembering-our-stardust
 
kyanimal said:
I sense, and do believe, there is a "Higher Power", above and beyond, each of us as individuals......

.......Whatever "IT" is, it's definitely there, all around, and within us.
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This is my feeling 100% whether it's God, Mother Earth or Father time. There's just a feeling there.
 
Kyanimal said:
^ Throughout our known history on this planet, that which we didn't understand was considered "magic", or the desire, and intervention, of a "God". Otherwise, how could whatever it was be happening? The movement of the Sun, storms, wind, waves, seasonal changes, etc., MUST be being directed by a superior being. We were either being punished, or blessed. We developed rituals, sacrifices, etc., to appease the anger of the "Gods", and to encourage them to smile upon us.

We also used the wrath of "God" to our advantage to police society. "If you don't behave, "God" is gonna getcha!" That's SILL in use, and there's a sucker born every minute!

Ever so slowly, we began to figure things out through the development of science, being the curious little bastards that we are. "Wait a minute! Earth isn't flat? Whatta ya mean it's not the Sun that's moving, but we're doing the moving? Are you whacked? WTF?!! Go to your room, and stay there, Galileo!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

We eventually pulled back the curtains around "God", and there's nobody there (unless you count Ma Nature). To this day, many of us have not yet figured out that WE are "The Gods", and we are harming our planet. Instead of our home being mean to us, we are systemically changing and destroying IT!

Well ... actually the planet is gonna be just fine, and it might even be better off once we can no longer live on it. Think of us as a planetary infection ...

Still, within us, and not yet fully understanding ourselves even, we sense, and observe, each other, feel hope, wonder, joy, hate, despair, etc., etc., etc. Those are the "Gods" driving us today.

That which we do not understand is deemed a "God" by us. So, yeah, gravity could be a "God". We know it's there, but can't yet fully explain, or control it.

So, now, am I saying there is no "God"? Quite the contrary. I see "God" every time I look at another being, whether human, a 'lesser' animal, plant, even rocks and soil, the heavenly bodies suspended 'above' us, or feel the wind ruffling my hair. "God" is all around us, all the time! We are living on, among, and within, he/she/it, and are a part thereof. (ww) (group)

"We are spiritual beings having a human experience." _ Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...beings-human-journey-remembering-our-stardust
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For me, spirituality and agnosticism are not intellectually curious. Similar to organized religion, they ask adherents to be content and that whatever is "out there" is unknowable and to be taken on faith. Science isn't perfect, but it at least is a refining process that reiterates over and over to the closest truth possible. I don't ask for science to have all the answers immediately or even within my lifetime, but I do ask it to keep on trying to expand our knowledge and understanding. Anyway, this is just a half-rate explanation that Richard Dawkins does much better in his book The God Delusion. One day I'll reread it lol.
 
Kyanimal said:
^ Throughout our known history on this planet, that which we didn't understand was considered "magic", or the desire, and intervention, of a "God". Otherwise, how could whatever it was be happening? The movement of the Sun, storms, wind, waves, seasonal changes, etc., MUST be being directed by a superior being. We were either being punished, or blessed. We developed rituals, sacrifices, etc., to appease the anger of the "Gods", and to encourage them to smile upon us.

We also used the wrath of "God" to our advantage to police society. "If you don't behave, "God" is gonna getcha!" That's SILL in use, and there's a sucker born every minute!

Ever so slowly, we began to figure things out through the development of science, being the curious little bastards that we are. "Wait a minute! Earth isn't flat? Whatta ya mean it's not the Sun that's moving, but we're doing the moving? Are you whacked? WTF?!! Go to your room, and stay there, Galileo!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

We eventually pulled back the curtains around "God", and there's nobody there (unless you count Ma Nature). To this day, many of us have not yet figured out that WE are "The Gods", and we are harming our planet. Instead of our home being mean to us, we are systemically changing and destroying IT!

Well ... actually the planet is gonna be just fine, and it might even be better off once we can no longer live on it. Think of us as a planetary infection ...

Still, within us, and not yet fully understanding ourselves even, we sense, and observe, each other, feel hope, wonder, joy, hate, despair, etc., etc., etc. Those are the "Gods" driving us today.

That which we do not understand is deemed a "God" by us. So, yeah, gravity could be a "God". We know it's there, but can't yet fully explain, or control it.

So, now, am I saying there is no "God"? Quite the contrary. I see "God" every time I look at another being, whether human, a 'lesser' animal, plant, even rocks and soil, the heavenly bodies suspended 'above' us, or feel the wind ruffling my hair. "God" is all around us, all the time! We are living on, among, and within, he/she/it, and are a part thereof. (ww) (group)

"We are spiritual beings having a human experience." _ Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...beings-human-journey-remembering-our-stardust
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This is a very interesting perspective... But it really doesn't do it for me. I'm not denying or ignoring any feelings that I may have that there is a "higher power" or "God" or whatever you want to call it. I just don't have them. I don't think it's reasonable.
 
The question should be do you believe there was some intelligence behind the Big Bang or whatever started the reality we live in. Then , once that’s answered, what flavor of human created explanations of the intelligence do you believe in. Then, do you believe this intelligence has ever communicated with humans on earth. As a person who believes in logic and reason I cannot exclude the possibility that there was purpose and intelligence behind the creation of the Universe, so agnostic. I came to this view after reading Bertrand Russell’s(leading modern philosopher on logic) paper on why a person of reason can neither be a believer nor an atheist.

(What is an Agnostic? by Bertrand Russell (ScienceBlogs; June 2007 / John Wilkins / evolvingthoughts.net)).

What I can say without any doubt is that there is no religion that has any credibility on this issue and there is zero evidence or reasonable explanation of a creator(s). The Abrahamic religions are silly in their assertions of knowledge about the creator of the Universe. First off the “God” in their stories is a murdering psychopath filled with all of the flaws of man. Secondly, if the creator of the Universe interacted with us it would probably be a bit more focused on teaching us math and physics than worrying about snipping the end of our dicks off. The Universe is guided by a set of very elegant laws of physics and the intelligence behind that is not in any way apparent in the Bible. The Jewish/Christian/Islamic god was created by man in mans image.
 
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Like sexuality, it's probably best to view this as a spectrum. Here's one I find useful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

Richard Dawkins called himself a 6 out of a 7 point scale atheist, a de facto one. Naturally, you will find very few atheists who will say 100% that God/gods/spiritual powers do not exist, for the same reason they will not accept without evidence that God/gods/spiritual powers do exist. It's also interesting to note that Bertrand Russell said in 1958, "I ought to call myself an agnostic; but, for all practical purposes, I am an atheist."

To me, it's just easier and practical to say atheist rather than agnostic, especially when a lot of people seem to mistake agnosticism with giving both sides equal weight.
 
Telstra said:
and why ?


*** I know I know it is such a boring topic,
but there are still Churches and Mosques you know !!! ;)
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I was a very religous Catholic when I was younger then with education my brain kicked in. In over 2000 years No God Ever Helped anyone on EARTH . Maybe I missed something but I doubt it. But if someone wants to believe go for it just leave me out!
 
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