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Do you believe in God ?

Thank you Araucaria for your comments. They were thoughtful and informational. The one thing that stood out to me that I might question is that you said that the ancients created stories and myths to explain why things were the way that they were. Although that is one possibility, I think that some of the stories and myths might have been handed to them by a superior creature perhaps even their creator. If that is possible, I would find it intriguing to find the same themes in different societies and cultures.
 
there are many universal (or almost) myths that can be explained :
the myth of Adam (the first man) is very common in many religions, even the fact he was created from mud... the first matter humans were able to use for sculpture is mud. and the story of a "first human" is also a basic to explain why other creatures should not have souls or power...
many myths are explained by the simple nature of human beings and their needs for living...
 
I believe that all fields of human knowledge and mental endeavors can be divided into two categories. In one category falls what I'd call Science: The sciences, logic, and reason. I'd call the other category the Arts: Creative and visual arts, music, drama, and religion. Science is good at answering what and how, and religion is better at answering why. Interestingly enough, our brains are wired so that different parts handle different functions. The left hemisphere handles science, logic, and reason, while the right hemisphere is pattern oriented, handling matters of our place in the world. Thus, religion has its place in orienting us to this experience we call life. And by the way, I think modern religion got fucked up because people have injected left-brain thinking into what is rightfully a right-brain endeavor. Scripture is read like a law book, people think in terms of my religion is right, so yours must be wrong, etc.

In terms of our origins, science has answered the what and how quite well: the Big Bang, the evolution of life from its beginnings all the way to human beings, etc., but it doesn't answer the question of why. Like modern humans, the ancients wondered these things, and they constructed stories and myths to why things were the way they were, and where they fit in them. Some of those stories became incorporated into religious texts and the holy scriptures of various religions. And maybe some of those stories and myths don't fit well with modern understandings. Perhaps we need to create our own myths.

Carl Jung talked about archetypes, or themes that appear over and over across different societies and cultures. Essentially these are things that are meaningful to all human beings as individuals, and the human race as a collective. The specific stories and symbols may be different in different cultures, but essentially they all boil down to trying to get at the same things. Thus, traditional stories can be looked at in terms of what universals they were trying to get at. Interestingly enough, in his later years Jung himself had a near-death experience, in which he saw the ball of earth from a great distance in space.

As far as extraterrestrials visiting earth, I personally believe that happens, but I think they try to avoid interfering or calling attention to themselves (the Prime Directive?). I'm not sure about creating a slave race. Rather, if anything like that is going on, I could see it in terms of an ongoing experiment, where extraterrestrials planted the seed of life, and watched as it evolved. Conceivably they may have interfered at certain points. For example, they may have introduced genetic material to cause a rather sudden jump from apes to humans. Of course, this is all conjecture.
Your post is very interesting, and I would really love to hear you elaborate more on "religion is better at answering why". Based on your understanding of the various religions, sciences, and philosophies, what is the "why" answer that resonates most with you?

By the way, I wouldn't discount the input from scientists regarding the "why" as there are at least some religions that are NOT better at answering the "why" question. You might enjoy the book, Quantum Questions -- the Mystical Writings of Nobel Prize winning quantum physicists. To say the very least, their writings are quite profound (IMHO). The book contains writings of some extraordinary quantum physicists such as Einstein, Eddington, Schroedinger, Planck, DeBroglie, and so on.

In any case, I'd be very interested in hearing which "why" answer resonates most with you in this moment.
 
In the Hebrew, animals do have souls; what they do not have is a "transfusion" of divine spirit.
Ramana Maharshi, a revered Hindu sage whom Carl Jung called "whitest spot in the white space of India", openly confirmed the nirvana of his cow Lakshmi. That is a state that very few humans attain.

My sense is that animals do indeed have a "transfusion" of divine spirit regardless of what your Hebrew sources may say.

 
Your post is very interesting, and I would really love to hear you elaborate more on "religion is better at answering why". Based on your understanding of the various religions, sciences, and philosophies, what is the "why" answer that resonates most with you?

By the way, I wouldn't discount the input from scientists regarding the "why" as there are at least some religions that are NOT better at answering the "why" question. You might enjoy the book, Quantum Questions -- the Mystical Writings of Nobel Prize winning quantum physicists. To say the very least, their writings are quite profound (IMHO). The book contains writings of some extraordinary quantum physicists such as Einstein, Eddington, Schroedinger, Planck, DeBroglie, and so on.

In any case, I'd be very interested in hearing which "why" answer resonates most with you in this moment.

Ah, I think you caught me on this one! I've been trying to think about an answer, and the best I can come up with right now is that, when it comes to questions of existence and the cosmos, there really is no answer to the question of why, so it is pointless to ask for answers of either science or religion. It seems that when we ask why, it could really mean one of at least two questions. If what we're really asking is "how did we get where we are now?" science has answered that one fairly well. But if the question is "what is the purpose of our existence?" there is no answer. I previously mentioned that the human right brain is designed to recognize patterns, and in the past, religions have created images, myths, and stories to explain what our "purpose" is. Is it to live in a way to please some "God?" Is it to make ourselves better and more moral persons? Is it to evolve to reach a more advanced level in our next incarnation?

It occurred to me to ask, how do we know that any of this, or anything else, is our purpose? Even if we can manage to please "God" or reach a higher incarnation, is that our purpose? Does the cosmos "care" if we live a dissolute or immoral life? How do we that its "no skin off the cosmos's ass" if we go to a place of punishment or become a worm in the next life?

Perhaps the real question is With what we know and can understand of our current existence, how can we live in such a way that we can feel better about ourselves? If becoming better and more moral people makes us feel better about ourselves, regardless of pleasing God, a higher purpose, or evolving through our incarnations, then why not? That could be our "purpose," one which we have assigned to ourselves, and not something from above or beyond.
 
Asking "...why are we here..." implies an act of volition. It's inherently a question that only makes sense from some kind of religious framework. The first question on this subject from reason is why does there need to be a why?

We'll never know everything about the way the universe came to be (unless one of us manages to achieve immortality - then the question becomes. who is God, not why are we here.) It seems to me that the religious tendency to attach acts of divine volition to the universe is an attempt to impose an understandable framework on the unexplainable and deprive entropy of its power to terrify.

Asking "...why are we here..." immediately reassures that there is some higher authority that has things under control.
 
Asking "...why are we here..." implies an act of volition. It's inherently a question that only makes sense from some kind of religious framework. The first question on this subject from reason is why does there need to be a why?

We'll never know everything about the way the universe came to be (unless one of us manages to achieve immortality - then the question becomes. who is God, not why are we here.) It seems to me that the religious tendency to attach acts of divine volition to the universe is an attempt to impose an understandable framework on the unexplainable and deprive entropy of its power to terrify.

Asking "...why are we here..." immediately reassures that there is some higher authority that has things under control.
You raise some interesting points in your post, so let's approach this from a different perspective and proceed from there.

I am inclined towards the "As above, so below" Hermetic principle. The Tibetan Yogi Milarepa (as well as others) demonstrated that whatever he could do in a lucid dream he could also do in the so-called "waking state" once one connects with the Source of the manifestation. However, as you will probably agree, it's easier to connect with the source of a dream (namely the dreamer) than the Source of this manifestation.

Therefore, let's start with the dream since everyone is familiar with dreams. Why do we dream? Clearly, this is a question that has nothing to do with any religious framework. Most people have had nightmares. WHY do they have nightmares?

I have practiced conscious sleep meditations for many years. It's a practice common to Tibetan Buddhists, Sufis, Yogis, and others from various wisdom traditions. During such meditations, one can remain aware during the three basic states of man ... deep sleep, dream formation from start to finish (more than just a lucid dream), and the so-called waking state ... as well as the transitions between the three states. WHY do people dream? Let's start there and proceed from there to the point in question which can definitely be approached from a non-religious framework (IMHO).

Good post.
 
Ah, I think you caught me on this one! I've been trying to think about an answer, and the best I can come up with right now is that, when it comes to questions of existence and the cosmos, there really is no answer to the question of why, so it is pointless to ask for answers of either science or religion. It seems that when we ask why, it could really mean one of at least two questions. If what we're really asking is "how did we get where we are now?" science has answered that one fairly well. But if the question is "what is the purpose of our existence?" there is no answer. I previously mentioned that the human right brain is designed to recognize patterns, and in the past, religions have created images, myths, and stories to explain what our "purpose" is. Is it to live in a way to please some "God?" Is it to make ourselves better and more moral persons? Is it to evolve to reach a more advanced level in our next incarnation?

It occurred to me to ask, how do we know that any of this, or anything else, is our purpose? Even if we can manage to please "God" or reach a higher incarnation, is that our purpose? Does the cosmos "care" if we live a dissolute or immoral life? How do we that its "no skin off the cosmos's ass" if we go to a place of punishment or become a worm in the next life?

Perhaps the real question is With what we know and can understand of our current existence, how can we live in such a way that we can feel better about ourselves? If becoming better and more moral people makes us feel better about ourselves, regardless of pleasing God, a higher purpose, or evolving through our incarnations, then why not? That could be our "purpose," one which we have assigned to ourselves, and not something from above or beyond.
I am discovering that there are some very impressive posters like yourself on this site. Let's approach this question in accordance with your post.

You raised the question "how did we get where we are now?" and wrote that "science has answered that one fairly well". I'm not convinced that science has answered that question very well. I'm not sure if you've read the book, Quantum Questions edited by Ken Wilbur. It contains the "mystical writings" of the world's foremost Nobel Prize winning quantum physicists such as Einstein, Schroedinger, Eddington, Planck, DeBroglie, etc. It is my understanding that the quantum physicists believe in a "theoretical unified force field" behind this manifestation and Schroedinger explicitly stated that science will NOT be able to get to the source because scientific instruments (as well as the observer) interfere with the experiments at the subtlest levels. Schroedinger stated that the only way to get to the source is through meditation and consciousness. Eddington described the universe as being composed of "mind stuff" (for lack of a better word). Therefore, science can only go so far and has not really answered the question of "how did we get where we are now?" . Science has explained to some degree the nature of the manifestation process but scientists generally agree (from what I have read) that they cannot answer the "why" question or even the "how" question beyond a certain point.

As far as the brain is concerned, Dr. Bruce Greyson (Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry with interest in the paranormal) has posted some very illuminating YouTube videos supporting his position that consciousness can act independently of the brain. For example, he notes a study done with dementia patients in a nursing home in London where 70% of them had lucid moments, hours, or even days before passing away ... despite the fact that the portions of the brain "required" for such activity had atrophied. Therefore, it would seem that the brain route will not be able to address the question completely though certain information can indeed be gleaned by studying the brain activity.

Lastly, you suggest that perhaps the approach is "to evolve to reach a more advanced level in our next incarnation". Having had a mind-boggling, life-transforming near death experience many years ago (which served as a catalyst towards spiritual evolution via meetings with sages from various wisdom traditions), I realized that there was indeed a perspective from which one could see the manifestation from a different perspective (out-of-body experience, remote viewing , etc.). My Christian upbringing could not answer questions that arose during the NDE so I turned eastward towards meditation (just as Schoedinger suggested from a scientific perspective) to observe the body, the feelings/emotions, the thoughts, and that which lies beyond thoughts. One could call that evolution as you mentioned in your post. In the course of my investigations, I encountered many extraordinary beings whose actions bordered on what I had thought previously was "impossible". In a way, I am agreeing with you on discovering purpose and meaning in the depths of our being through evolution with meditation being my approach.

For what it's worth, Dr.Michael Newton wrote a book (Journey of Souls) in which he documented sessions with numerous individuals whom he hypnotically regressed to a point before physical birth. It was interesting how they all decided what "next incarnation" was best suited to their evolution. They all seemed to have a purpose triggering their "next incarnation". It's very good reading.

Of course, all of this is of the lower planes as it does not address the ultimate Source. Nonetheless, it's a good starting point for future discussion on this very intriguing subject.

Thanks for your very articulate posts (plural because I've read your last two posts and they're very good).
 
You raise some interesting points in your post, so let's approach this from a different perspective and proceed from there.

I am inclined towards the "As above, so below" Hermetic principle. The Tibetan Yogi Milarepa (as well as others) demonstrated that whatever he could do in a lucid dream he could also do in the so-called "waking state" once one connects with the Source of the manifestation. However, as you will probably agree, it's easier to connect with the source of a dream (namely the dreamer) than the Source of this manifestation.

Therefore, let's start with the dream since everyone is familiar with dreams. Why do we dream? Clearly, this is a question that has nothing to do with any religious framework. Most people have had nightmares. WHY do they have nightmares?

I have practiced conscious sleep meditations for many years. It's a practice common to Tibetan Buddhists, Sufis, Yogis, and others from various wisdom traditions. During such meditations, one can remain aware during the three basic states of man ... deep sleep, dream formation from start to finish (more than just a lucid dream), and the so-called waking state ... as well as the transitions between the three states. WHY do people dream? Let's start there and proceed from there to the point in question which can definitely be approached from a non-religious framework (IMHO).

Good post.

"Why do we dream has the same context." everything we perceive individually is a function of the electro-chemical reactions in our heads responding to genetics and stimuli. Nature and nurture. We have progressed to the point that we can actually document this happening. Why does dreaming have to be anything other than a byproduct of that process? Each individual perceives the objective reality around them in their own idiosyncratic way. There are vastly many commonalities in that perception of reality and there are a whole lot of differences as well. Maybe dreams and nightmares are just each individual brain processing whatever stimuli that person experienced through the framework of their individual genetics.

Again, an assumption that dreams have meaning is just that. I can never live your experience any more than you can live mine. If metaphysics makes a positive impact on your life, then great, but I can't start with the why's until I feel a religious philosophy has explained to me why that question has any relevance.

Why is there a God?

Same problem.

Either there is a God(s) (spirit/deity/force/whathaveyou) and a whole lot of people are going to be wrong, or there isn't and everyone religious is wrong.

That question needs to be answered first because it will negate a huge amount of speculation and assumption if it is.
 
I am discovering that there are some very impressive posters like yourself on this site. Let's approach this question in accordance with your post.

You raised the question "how did we get where we are now?" and wrote that "science has answered that one fairly well". I'm not convinced that science has answered that question very well. I'm not sure if you've read the book, Quantum Questions edited by Ken Wilbur. It contains the "mystical writings" of the world's foremost Nobel Prize winning quantum physicists such as Einstein, Schroedinger, Eddington, Planck, DeBroglie, etc. It is my understanding that the quantum physicists believe in a "theoretical unified force field" behind this manifestation and Schroedinger explicitly stated that science will NOT be able to get to the source because scientific instruments (as well as the observer) interfere with the experiments at the subtlest levels. Schroedinger stated that the only way to get to the source is through meditation and consciousness. Eddington described the universe as being composed of "mind stuff" (for lack of a better word). Therefore, science can only go so far and has not really answered the question of "how did we get where we are now?" . Science has explained to some degree the nature of the manifestation process but scientists generally agree (from what I have read) that they cannot answer the "why" question or even the "how" question beyond a certain point.

As far as the brain is concerned, Dr. Bruce Greyson (Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry with interest in the paranormal) has posted some very illuminating YouTube videos supporting his position that consciousness can act independently of the brain. For example, he notes a study done with dementia patients in a nursing home in London where 70% of them had lucid moments, hours, or even days before passing away ... despite the fact that the portions of the brain "required" for such activity had atrophied. Therefore, it would seem that the brain route will not be able to address the question completely though certain information can indeed be gleaned by studying the brain activity.

Lastly, you suggest that perhaps the approach is "to evolve to reach a more advanced level in our next incarnation". Having had a mind-boggling, life-transforming near death experience many years ago (which served as a catalyst towards spiritual evolution via meetings with sages from various wisdom traditions), I realized that there was indeed a perspective from which one could see the manifestation from a different perspective (out-of-body experience, remote viewing , etc.). My Christian upbringing could not answer questions that arose during the NDE so I turned eastward towards meditation (just as Schoedinger suggested from a scientific perspective) to observe the body, the feelings/emotions, the thoughts, and that which lies beyond thoughts. One could call that evolution as you mentioned in your post. In the course of my investigations, I encountered many extraordinary beings whose actions bordered on what I had thought previously was "impossible". In a way, I am agreeing with you on discovering purpose and meaning in the depths of our being through evolution with meditation being my approach.

For what it's worth, Dr.Michael Newton wrote a book (Journey of Souls) in which he documented sessions with numerous individuals whom he hypnotically regressed to a point before physical birth. It was interesting how they all decided what "next incarnation" was best suited to their evolution. They all seemed to have a purpose triggering their "next incarnation". It's very good reading.

Of course, all of this is of the lower planes as it does not address the ultimate Source. Nonetheless, it's a good starting point for future discussion on this very intriguing subject.

Thanks for your very articulate posts (plural because I've read your last two posts and they're very good).

"Science" does not attempt to define the undefinable. If it does, it's no longer science.
 
"Why do we dream has the same context." everything we perceive individually is a function of the electro-chemical reactions in our heads responding to genetics and stimuli. Nature and nurture. We have progressed to the point that we can actually document this happening. Why does dreaming have to be anything other than a byproduct of that process? Each individual perceives the objective reality around them in their own idiosyncratic way. There are vastly many commonalities in that perception of reality and there are a whole lot of differences as well. Maybe dreams and nightmares are just each individual brain processing whatever stimuli that person experienced through the framework of their individual genetics.

Again, an assumption that dreams have meaning is just that. I can never live your experience any more than you can live mine. If metaphysics makes a positive impact on your life, then great, but I can't start with the why's until I feel a religious philosophy has explained to me why that question has any relevance.

Why is there a God?

Same problem.

Either there is a God(s) (spirit/deity/force/whathaveyou) and a whole lot of people are going to be wrong, or there isn't and everyone religious is wrong.

That question needs to be answered first because it will negate a huge amount of speculation and assumption if it is.
Your reaction is not uncommon and very understandable. That is precisely why the Buddha maintained the Noble Silence when asked metaphysical questions about "God(s)(spirit/deity/force/what-have-you)". Instead, he provided a methodology whereby one could discover the answers to the questions you raised for one's self. Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras provide a similar methodology. Even the ancient Greeks (Socrates/Plato) realized that the key to answering such questions is to "Know Yourself"..... one's true nature. The revelations are literally mind-boggling.

Having had a mind-boggling, life-transforming near death experience many years ago during which I emerged completely symptom-free from a 3-day "irreversible coma" with a clear recollection of all that had transpired, my attention shifted to meditation to answer questions that neither science nor religions had addressed to my satisfaction. During my quest for answers, I encountered extraordinary beings and realized that the universe was not what it appeared to be. (Einstein says the same thing.) I literally saw and experienced things which most materialists would consider impossible and for which they have no explanation.

Your skepticism is very understandable as was mine initially ... until I met a wise sage who pointed me to the direct validating experiences.

If the answers to those questions are really a priority for you, then you will find a way to get the answers as I did for myself.
 
Doesn't quantum physics deal with probabilities as opposed to well-defined processes? ;)
"Quantum Physics" as you're using the term here covers a lot of ground and much of it has been rigorously tested as far as we are able. Nowhere does it posit the existence of deities and demons.

No "science" I've ever seen has attempted to define metaphysics and spirituality.
 
Your reaction is not uncommon and very understandable. That is precisely why the Buddha maintained the Noble Silence when asked metaphysical questions about "God(s)(spirit/deity/force/what-have-you)". Instead, he provided a methodology whereby one could discover the answers to the questions you raised for one's self. Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras provide a similar methodology. Even the ancient Greeks (Socrates/Plato) realized that the key to answering such questions is to "Know Yourself"..... one's true nature. The revelations are literally mind-boggling.

Having had a mind-boggling, life-transforming near death experience many years ago during which I emerged completely symptom-free from a 3-day "irreversible coma" with a clear recollection of all that had transpired, my attention shifted to meditation to answer questions that neither science nor religions had addressed to my satisfaction. During my quest for answers, I encountered extraordinary beings and realized that the universe was not what it appeared to be. (Einstein says the same thing.) I literally saw and experienced things which most materialists would consider impossible and for which they have no explanation.

Your skepticism is very understandable as was mine initially ... until I met a wise sage who pointed me to the direct validating experiences.

If the answers to those questions are really a priority for you, then you will find a way to get the answers as I did for myself.

Please don't try and put metaphysics in the mouth of Einstein. lots of people do, but Einstein never said anything but "I don't really know,"

Albert Einstein's religious views have been widely studied and often misunderstood.[1] Albert Einstein stated "I believe in Spinoza's God".[2] He did not believe in a personal God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naïve.[3] He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist",[4] preferring to call himself an agnostic,[5] or a "religious nonbeliever."[3] Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me."[6] He was closely involved in his lifetime with several humanist groups.[7][8]


Religion interests me because it affects us all regardless of whether any of it is fact or not. The mountains of sloppy logic, wishful thinking, and ingrained bigotry the faithful are capable of displaying have driven a lot of things in history.

It's sloppy logic to say that all I need is to find a "wise sage." That assumes a whole lot of things that are impossible to, a-replicate since I'm not you, b-assumes I haven't met "the right one," which is paternalistic and dismissive, and c-is exactly the same sentiment with the same implications that Christians have when they say they will "pray for you."

That doesn't move this discussion anywhere.

Religious "fact" is that whatever mutually exclusive things the faithful insist on declaring as the only fact, most of the other religions claim that is fiction, and those religions apply to it exactly the same logic that I am applying here.

Until there is a religion that can demonstrate they actually have the correct interpretation of reality, "why"s are irrelevant, religions will continue to push mostly false things as divine truth and subject the rest of us to the consequences of their mistake.
 
"Quantum Physics" as you're using the term here covers a lot of ground and much of it has been rigorously tested as far as we are able. Nowhere does it posit the existence of deities and demons.

No "science" I've ever seen has attempted to define metaphysics and spirituality.
I never said that quantum physics posits the existence of deities and demons.

I once depended heavily on logic and intellectualism .... until, through intense meditation, I was able to go beyond mental gymnastics which had taken me to a dead end.

I understand your skepticism. I was there ... once.

By the way, I'm not "religious" by any means and don't affiliate with any organized religion.

P.S. I agree with you that Einstein did not believe in a "personal god", the proverbial "man in the sky". Neither do I.
 
I think Tantric-Master has raised a good point about the question "how did we get where we are now?" Yes, science has answered a lot of the what, with the Big Bang, and biological evolution once the earth had been established. I think in simple terms, the question can be illustrated by being a passenger on a train going through a large railroad yard in which there are multiple tracks. The passenger may look out and ask the question "Why am I on this track, and not any of the others?" Contrary to what TX-Beau has said, I do not believe that you have to have had extensive previous religious instruction to ask that question. Applying that analogy to the larger question of "how did we get to where we are now?" we can look at the Big Bang and its setting up the physical laws of the universe, and the formation of galaxies and stars, the formation of the earth, the emergence of single-celled organisms from the primordial soup, the evolution into multicellular organisms, from fish to amphibians to reptiles to mammals, and finally the emergence of humans, we can say "science has explained all this-- that's all we need to know." Or we can ask, "OK, the What has been explained to us, but not the how and why? How did we end up with this particular set of physical laws? How did this particular solar system and earth form? How did this particular earth just happen to fall within the "Goldilocks zone?" How did humans evolve the way we did, and not as something completely different? The question becomes especially pertinent when we realize that at every step there were an infinite number of possibilities, which if ANY ONE were different, we simply could not exist. We're in effect asking how did we end up on this particular track, the only one which would allow up to be here, and be aware that we are here. How did we end up "winning the lottery" in which there were infinite upon infinite possibilities, in which there are infinite ways that would eliminate the possibility of being here?
 
What a wonderful debate. I can't add to it, it is way out of my league, just want to say thank you to everyone who has kept it going.
 
I never said that quantum physics posits the existence of deities and demons.

I once depended heavily on logic and intellectualism .... until, through intense meditation, I was able to go beyond mental gymnastics which had taken me to a dead end.

I understand your skepticism. I was there ... once.

By the way, I'm not "religious" by any means and don't affiliate with any organized religion.

P.S. I agree with you that Einstein did not believe in a "personal god", the proverbial "man in the sky". Neither do I.

OK, and I fundamentally disagree that whatever "dead end" you were at is relevant beyond your personal context. You had the experiences you had, and I appreciate that you found them profound, but that doesn't mean any of the factors that caused you to have that experience are a common baseline for anyone else. You were never "just like me" or anyone else. You have always been you.

The path you took to get where you are is not something that's ever going to be repeated in my existence, and once again it's paternalistic and dismissive to say something that comes across as "I was just like you, but then I knew better."

I am not at a dead "end," I am not an absolutist, if there is some reasonable reason in my own context to believe in metaphysics certainly, I'll consider it. So far, there has been nothing. Whether or not there is some kind of metaphysical universe is the first question in religion, (see below) it has to be because everything that follows is absolutely conditional on that answer. That answer will end the pretensions to the "truth" of a huge amount of religious humanity.

When someone approaches me with an assertion of living dead and virgin birth, I'm not just going to believe it without something more. It doesn't matter what happened to that guy on the road to Damascus. Some other guy claimed something that contradicts him on the road to Mecca. Whose epiphany is real? Both are absolutely sincere; both are wanting to share something they found profound; BUT, they can't both be right. That's before you get to the people using religion for a far less noble purpose.


"Religion" - Once again, we see the absolute necessity of common nomenclature. Religion as I'm using the term groups all forms of metaphysics together for the sake of brevity, as the distinctions between orthodox Jews and Wicca New Agers are not important to this discussion.
 
I think Tantric-Master has raised a good point about the question "how did we get where we are now?" Yes, science has answered a lot of the what, with the Big Bang, and biological evolution once the earth had been established. I think in simple terms, the question can be illustrated by being a passenger on a train going through a large railroad yard in which there are multiple tracks. The passenger may look out and ask the question "Why am I on this track, and not any of the others?" Contrary to what TX-Beau has said, I do not believe that you have to have had extensive previous religious instruction to ask that question. Applying that analogy to the larger question of "how did we get to where we are now?" we can look at the Big Bang and its setting up the physical laws of the universe, and the formation of galaxies and stars, the formation of the earth, the emergence of single-celled organisms from the primordial soup, the evolution into multicellular organisms, from fish to amphibians to reptiles to mammals, and finally the emergence of humans, we can say "science has explained all this-- that's all we need to know." Or we can ask, "OK, the What has been explained to us, but not the how and why? How did we end up with this particular set of physical laws? How did this particular solar system and earth form? How did this particular earth just happen to fall within the "Goldilocks zone?" How did humans evolve the way we did, and not as something completely different? The question becomes especially pertinent when we realize that at every step there were an infinite number of possibilities, which if ANY ONE were different, we simply could not exist. We're in effect asking how did we end up on this particular track, the only one which would allow up to be here, and be aware that we are here. How did we end up "winning the lottery" in which there were infinite upon infinite possibilities, in which there are infinite ways that would eliminate the possibility of being here?

I do not believe that one has to have extensive religious instruction to ask any kind of question. I believe that asking religious (see above) questions is a moot exercise until you know which religion is accurate. Otherwise, one is just debating the reasons Superman can fly - only someone is going to start a war over it.

Asking questions about observable, testable, experiential, and common reality is the toolbox of "science."

I absolutely encourage all people with whatever kind of education to ask as many questions as possible. People NOT asking questions is generally why other people dislike fundamentalists of all stripes.
 
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