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Do you believe in God ?

lambdaboy said:
The only thing in our solar system or any where in the universe that cn be considered like a god Is the Sun that keeps us alive period.
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"In the universe" being the important phrase. I concluded long ago, before I was a Christian, that anything contained within the universe didn't qualify for deity, because it was as subject to the "rules of nature" just as much as we are.
 
heytheree said:
I'm Muslim by identity, but atheist agnostic by heart. I was confused about my faith throughout my teenage years, but now at least I know about my own religious identity. I think that whether God exist or not might be dependent on what you define as God itself.

I don't believe God exists, if the definition of God is based on the religions that exist now (more or less an all-powerful sentient being that is kind of narcissistic by human standards)

But I believe in God on a more loose term. A 'matter' that encompasses the universe. I mean, by this definition, God may well be just a particle of sorts that doesn't even have a consciousness. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area so I can only guess. When I say I 'believe', I don't mean I have utmost faith like religious people do. It goes more in line with 'it's more probable that God exist than not'. Again, it's based on the definition. I know, this might not make a sense to other people ;)
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Yeah, the apparent narcissism in the Old Testament is one reason I insist firmly on the ancient rule that the New trumps the Old.



Your particle idea reminds me -- my older brother held that God is a universe above and parallel to ours that consists of a single point, yet has one-to-one correspondence with every point in our universe (sounds silly, but it makes mathematical sense). That would make God a particle from the point of view of physics -- yet that particle would be a singularity, since on its own it has no extension, etc., but by correspondence with our universe is infinite.
 
From my experience, the more conservative the religion is, the more "narcissistic" God is described by it. That's why I think religions should have the power to "adapt" to the needs of the people, and therefore, less conservative and more flexible.
Islam, for example, when it first emerged, highly raises the rights of women and people's morality in general. Now thought, it's considered hindering women's right by many people. It's because the religion isn't allowed to change over the years.

Kulindahr said:
Your particle idea reminds me -- my older brother held that God is a universe above and parallel to ours that consists of a single point, yet has one-to-one correspondence with every point in our universe (sounds silly, but it makes mathematical sense). That would make God a particle from the point of view of physics -- yet that particle would be a singularity, since on its own it has no extension, etc., but by correspondence with our universe is infinite.
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Ha, I also think about similar stuff with your brother, it seems. I think about God as a particle - or rather THE particle that constitutes a whole other dimension above our own. If we live in the 4th dimension, then God exists as the 5th. From mathematical/physical point of view, this makes God unaffected by time, and is able to traverse forward/backward through time like us traversing up and down a hill. In a way, this particle could traverse every point in the universe at the same time. This corresponds with the notion that "God is everywhere", dontcha think?
 
heytheree said:
Ha, I also think about similar stuff with your brother, it seems. I think about God as a particle - or rather THE particle that constitutes a whole other dimension above our own. If we live in the 4th dimension, then God exists as the 5th. From mathematical/physical point of view, this makes God unaffected by time, and is able to traverse forward/backward through time like us traversing up and down a hill. In a way, this particle could traverse every point in the universe at the same time. This corresponds with the notion that "God is everywhere", dontcha think?
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God as a dimension... Well, technically that would rule Him out as being a particle, but it does go nicely with omnipresence. OTOH, God as an entirely different universe in contact with this one at every point covers far more than just omnipresence, such as foreknowledge and miracles for example (it can even make a good shot at explaining the Christian Trinity, if you want to torture your brain).
 
Kulindahr said:
God as a dimension... Well, technically that would rule Him out as being a particle, but it does go nicely with omnipresence. OTOH, God as an entirely different universe in contact with this one at every point covers far more than just omnipresence, such as foreknowledge and miracles for example (it can even make a good shot at explaining the Christian Trinity, if you want to torture your brain).
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That seems similar to my suggestion ar 195 below that other dimensions or universes may exist and that the various phenomena such as ghosts, my result from intrusions into our existence.
 
Benvolio said:
That seems similar to my suggestion ar 195 below that other dimensions or universes may exist and that the various phenomena such as ghosts, my result from intrusions into our existence.
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Why are most of us have not seen or experience ghosts ?
Its all in someones head don't you think ?
 
Telstra said:
Why are most of us have not seen or experience ghosts ?
Its all in someones head don't you think ?
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Nope. I believe in ghosts even though I have not seen one because too many people have seen them throughout history or have had out of body experiences. I have a few relatives who have experienced ghosts and I believe them.
 
I'm not a superstitious guy, so I don't believe in ghosts and stuff like that. Ghosts might well have the same origins as legends and myths and scary stories. The stories exist as a form of people's fear towards the unknown, though it doesn't necessarily be true. People create scary myths in the first place to teach their children to be safe (e.g. don't go out at night, don't wander alone, etc). Of course, there's still the saying of "nothing is impossible" and ghosts might truely exists, though I highly doubt it.
 
Hmmm... I can't say that I see the point in all this "speculation."
 
Jacquemar said:
Hmmm... I can't say that I see the point in all this "speculation."
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Pondering and expressing your opinions have always been a good practice for your analytical skills and... Debating skills. Think of it as increasing the wisdom points in rpg games ::lol:
 
Rickrock said:
Nope. I believe in ghosts even though I have not seen one because too many people have seen them throughout history or have had out of body experiences. I have a few relatives who have experienced ghosts and I believe them.
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How many people have you met face to face saying they saw ghosts before??
Not many, therefore its in their head and they suffered from Schizophrenia (seeing things)
 
heytheree said:
I'm not a superstitious guy, so I don't believe in ghosts and stuff like that. Ghosts might well have the same origins as legends and myths and scary stories. The stories exist as a form of people's fear towards the unknown, though it doesn't necessarily be true. People create scary myths in the first place to teach their children to be safe (e.g. don't go out at night, don't wander alone, etc). Of course, there's still the saying of "nothing is impossible" and ghosts might truely exists, though I highly doubt it.
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I don't believe in ghosts, but many people over the centuries have claimed to have seen them, so it is best to remain open-minded. Remember, people used to believe that diseases were caused by invisible beings. And they were correct; we now call them bacteria, viruses etc.
Put it this way: a person who has seen a ghost knows far more about the universe than you, and much of what you and scientiists believe is wrong. Best to remain open minded.
 
Putting ghosts with the same level as bacterias is a bit incoherent. Diseases are something real and tangible that it is certain something is causing it. Accidents that are related to ghosts, however, were never really proven to actually be supernatural of nature.

Don't take me wrong, I do keep an open mind about ghosts. But like my belief towards God, if ghosts do indeed exist, it would be something very, very different with our current idea about ghosts.
 
heytheree said:
Putting ghosts with the same level as bacterias is a bit incoherent. Diseases are something real and tangible that it is certain something is causing it. Accidents that are related to ghosts, however, were never really proven to actually be supernatural of nature.

Don't take me wrong, I do keep an open mind about ghosts. But like my belief towards God, if ghosts do indeed exist, it would be something very, very different with our current idea about ghosts.
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Logic and debate are not Ben's forte.
 
No, because there is no reason to believe in gods any more than to believe in Santa Claus. Both are figments of the human imagination.
 
He was an embittered atheist, the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in God as personally dislike Him. ¬George Orwell
 
Unfortunately for Orwell and yourself, if one only dislikes God, one is not an Atheist.
 
I have no problem with god what so ever.
I have problems with the people who represents god lol
 
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