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Do you care about economic differences?

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Hello guys. I'm from Brazil and I really like this forum, even though it's in English, so forgive my grammar issues. I have a question to ask you about something that bothers me a lot when I'm dating other guys. When you come out with a new guy, his economic status matters? I was watching Looking (I know it's stupid to do this based on a TV series), and there was a big economic difference between two characters. One had higher education and the other was hairdresser, and apparently this was not an issue, what made me think that the US gays did not care about that. I'm not saying that I am a superficial person who judges others by bank account, on the contrary, I am psychology student, and like any college student I 'm broke. The problem that bothers me to date guys with a lower economic level than mine it's not the money, but the lack of future prospective on making plans to have a better life. I am 25 years old and never dated, and really do not know how other couples deal with it. Does anyone out there has experience in cases like this?
 
"Looking" is not a good representation of being gay in the US. Honestly, there's such a big diverse group of gay men in the US, that it's next to impossible to represent the group as a whole.

The gay community isn't as focused on income disparity as other groups. This may have to do with an overall scarcity of available gay men... and unrealistic credit spending that tends to hide when people don't have available income. And until recently, gay men had more available income because they did not have the childcare expenses of their straight peers (on the other hand, lesbians and transgender people tend to have lower incomes).

What can be an issue is when income changes after a relationship starts. For example, if you are dependent upon a partner for support but then you start making your own money or worse, when you begin making more than the other person.
 
No,
but only if the other guy can support himself financially.
 
Sometimes we think about the qualities we'd like in a potential partner and then we fall in love and have to confront our belief system. We either challenge our thoughts or we end the relationship. There's no right answer but if you feel strongly you'd have to guard against getting close to people with whom you're not comfortable in a relationship. We exclude potentially fine people when we eliminate people before we know them.

Are you afraid you'd have to support a partner for life? Are you afraid someone would act as if he were in love to be taken care of? Are you afraid of being resentful if you were contributing more than he? Are you afraid that your family and friends wouldn't accept him? Is this a theoretical issue or is there a guy you're interested in?
 
It's not such a big deal for me. I've always been 'working' class. Years ago a friend of my ex's told him that I was a gold digger. Why? Because I commented on the ring he was wearing. Well, if you don't want someone commenting on your damn ring (about a 2 caret diamond) then don't wear it to the bar.

I didn't want the damn ring and I certainly didn't want money from him. Pissed me off royally.

 
Ok, then. Knowing where your head is at helps. As long as you share the important things in life and both people are willing to be in the other's life there oughtn't be a problem unless you run into stuck up friends as your former partner did.

The main thing is that no one feel ashamed of their partner in social situations.

I like your humor and thanks for the entertainment.
 
I don't have any concrete personal situation where this topic would be relevant to me at the moment, but the theory interests me as well.

One might be financially well enough to live a basic, but decent enough lifestyle without financial worries. If there's money left, you can go on holidays, just nothing big, maybe once per year, within the same country or continent (depending on where in the world you live), middle class hotel, hostel, b&b etc. But that's about all you can afford.

Then say, you meet someone who's clearly more wealthy, someone who is used to go on more than just one holiday per year, and who is used to travel around the world, go to nice upper class resorts etc.

Now, I guess, either the richer guy would have to restrict himself to what the poorer guy can afford, or he'd have to pay for the poorer guy if he wants him to share his life(style).

I guess that can cause some problems. The poorer guy might feel inferior, or bought. The richer guy would have to get used to a lifestyle under his standards, or he'd have to feel like he's hiring an escort.
And once the relationship is over, the poorer guy won't be able to "pay back" anything. What's spent is spent.

Update: And now imagine if the financial differences are even stronger. Can a multi millionaire be with someone from the "working class"? Discuss.

All that is theory here, but not totally out of fantasy. A close internet friend of mine travels around the globe every year. I wouldn't even be able to travel around my contintent every other year.

It's an interesting topic, maybe some experience from others can bring light into the speculations.
 
The problem that bothers me to date guys with a lower economic level than mine it's not the money, but the lack of future prospective on making plans to have a better life.

Too many people are consumed with plans for the future, when all they have to live with is the present.

Live in the moment, when thoughts of the future cease to matter knowing, that there is only now.
 
I don't think I have any particular level of wealth in mind, but attitudes about wealth are very important to me.
My guy has to understand

  • that the pursuit of wealth, aspiring to have more, is very important
  • but not at any cost.

I can't stand scrimping, economizing, settling, making do. Or worse, I can't stand outright contempt for wealth, or when people say "It would change me." No, my friend, if you think wealth would change you, you need to examine your own character. Materialism gives Bill Gates the power to buy toilets and stop Indians from having to shit in their own streets and contaminate their own sources of drinking water. And it gives him a great house and some nice art.

I have also observed that the more money a person pursues, the more likely they will have to be "ruthless" or that they will have to lower the bar, ethically speaking, in order to get there.

So I would say it's not just about how much money you can make, but how much you can make without becoming an asshole. Or obsessing over career to the detriment of any other kind of human development. I'm not impressed by (monetarily) successful celebrities who depend on their personal assistants for basic human functionality.

So attitude and intentions matter more than the amount.
 
Future perspectives are not really a problem if there is harmony and then the two can find a solution together.
 
Future perspectives are not really a problem if there is harmony and then the two can find a solution together.

We all need dreams to encourage us to celebrate life, and work towards self improvement by living in the present.

Ones anxieties concerning the future are the seeds that sow depression calculated to deny us happiness...

...here, and now.

“What you resist, persists” ~ C.G. Jung
 
To me personally wealth matters little, the lack of it would matter more. I don't care to be rich... it's just never been a driving force in my life.
At the same time, I don't care to be in need, so it's been a balancing act. Make money, but don't become a slave to it.
I would seek the same qualities in another person.
 
The only thing I care about is that he feels he's pulling his weight. That's got to be there for his well-being.

if I want to pursue excess - and I do - I'm perfectly capable of doing that on my own without sponging off of someone else.
 
We would be an example of a financially unmatched couple when we started dating. I came from extreme poverty and he just the opposite. In fact, the only reason I was able to attend the college I did was because of a full academic scholarship. At the time, I thought I had it made because everything was paid for and I had savings in the bank from working since I was 15. I overlooked one thing, however: college kids like to socialize and that costs money. So, I got a part time job to pay for that.
The next year of college, I met my bf and it was okay as long as we were still living in the dorms and just going out like a normal couple. But when we decided to rent an apartment, I looked for the least expensive one, which were usually duplexes or old apartments. He wanted to look at the new, modern, upscale ones that had things like pools and AC. Because of my job, I could actually afford a nicer apartment, but I still had the poor boy mentality. What he wanted seemed extravagant to me.
I did give in on that, however, and we got the nice place, but from there on in, I gave him a hard time about everything else. Utilities, food, anything for the apartment was 50/50. When we bought a tv, he wanted to best, I thought a cheaper one was just fine.
One day when I was at my job, he went and bought the nicest one. I was pissed off and pouted about it. He told me he would take it back. Again, I gave in and I felt I wasn't carrying my own weight. He knew it was important to me to be self supporting, even though he didn't care about what things cost and that he paid more than I did.
I really had to work at not being so stubborn about money issues.

When the day came that I was making good money, I would buy him things or things for our home and his response was always positive and one of thankfulness. He never offered to pay half either because he knew I wanted to do it. Why was it so hard for me to accept things the same way from him? Pride (not the good kind, either) is the only thing I can think of. He never reminded me of how I acted when he did the same thing in earlier days. He's always been better than me in so many ways.

Looking back, I'm glad for the ugliness of myself. It has taught me about generosity, not only in giving to others, but in allowing others to give to me, with a grateful heart. Denying someone the privilege of giving is just wrong. Of course, I'm glad things didn't remain unbalanced, even though no two people in a relationship are every 100% equal.

Don't let economic differences ruin something beautiful, like love.
 
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