Do you regret Regime Change around the world ?

[Telstra]

Saddam of Iraq was way better in terms of results for the world in my opinion.
So, do you regret Regime Change around the world ?

 

[Benvolio]

Saddam of Iraq was way better in terms of results for the world in my opinion.
So, do you regret Regime Change around the world ?

With hind sight yes. But saddam was a brutal dictator, raising hell in the area, and believed to have WMDs. The people deserved a chance at democracy and the area needed a model of democracy for other nations. And of course, we cannot know what damage Saddam would have done had he survived. We might as easily be complaining that he was not taken out when we could.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Saddam of Iraq was way better in terms of results for the world in my opinion.
So, do you regret Regime Change around the world ?

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[Telstra]

With hind sight yes. But saddam was a brutal dictator, raising hell in the area, and believed to have WMDs. The people deserved a chance at democracy and the area needed a model of democracy for other nations. And of course, we cannot know what damage Saddam would have done had he survived. We might as easily be complaining that he was not taken out when we could.

For the professional decision makers, there should not be any "hind sight".
They should make the right decision most/all of the time because they are "the experts".

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

For the professional decision makers, there should not be any "hind sight".
They should make the right decision most/all of the time because they are "the experts".

haaaaaaaa

* at funnee *
yea but no say notin
-quick white wash post_

tinku

 

[Benvolio]

For the professional decision makers, there should not be any "hind sight".
They should make the right decision most/all of the time because they are "the experts".

I was describing my hindsight, not theirs. Ask them.

 

[thewiz]

With hind sight yes. But saddam was a brutal dictator, raising hell in the area, and believed to have WMDs. The people deserved a chance at democracy and the area needed a model of democracy for other nations. And of course, we cannot know what damage Saddam would have done had he survived. We might as easily be complaining that he was not taken out when we could.

Of course Darth Cheney and Dumbshit Bush KNEW they would free the world from Saddam's threat. Worked real good.....

 

[Telstra]

Since these decision makers made the wrong decision,
they should be punished ....

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Since these decision makers made the wrong decision,
they should be punished ....

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_haaaaaaaaaaaa_

anyway

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ha

tinku

 

[badbug]

I was for Regime change. I advocated for it LONG before 911. The sanctions on Iraq were brutal and having a brutal dictator only made them that much worse.

The problem was it was done so poorly. There was no reason to get rid of the entire structure, there were baathists we could work with, had worked with. Lets not forget Saddam was a "friend of the west" before he became an enemy. Not to mention, they were all secularists, they cared about cash and that's it.


So trying to remake their entire country, with less than a million troops occupying it was stupid. We half-assed it, and as a result, a good idea ended up looking like such a poor one.

Hell, arming Jihadis in afghanistan wasn't the problem, leaving them alone in a simmering festing shit hole with no oversight was.


You can't really punish people for making their decisions with the best information available. That's what life is. You get heart surgery, shit it didn't work...well was that the best option? was it a choice between bad and worse?


The problem with Iraq, was it was based on lies, cherry picked info and handled poorly. criminally poorly.


Had we just gone in, deposed Saddam, put the number 6 or 7 guy in power with a lists of what he could and could not do, boom problem solved. We get to blow some stuff up and order some new tanks, that makes the right wing happy.....

But instead it was some grand freedom project bullshit that was fantasyland type stuff. I mean, the middleast already has a flourishing democracy, it's called Israel. They aren't all trying to copy it. lol


So no, the problem was execution. But we elected morons, who appointed morons and that's what morons do. They fu0K things up that aren't overly complicated.


The scary thing is, these people still are looked to. Cheney gives his opinion every now and then, the right listens. Mccain, Graham, Rumsfeld.....these people should have zero credibility and be thought of as laughing stocks.....but they still hold repsect and admiration in their circles. It's crazy.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

I was for Regime change. I advocated for it LONG before 911. The sanctions on Iraq were brutal and having a brutal dictator only made them that much worse.

The problem was it was done so poorly. There was no reason to get rid of the entire structure, there were baathists we could work with, had worked with. Lets not forget Saddam was a "friend of the west" before he became an enemy. Not to mention, they were all secularists, they cared about cash and that's it.


So trying to remake their entire country, with less than a million troops occupying it was stupid. We half-assed it, and as a result, a good idea ended up looking like such a poor one.

Hell, arming Jihadis in afghanistan wasn't the problem, leaving them alone in a simmering festing shit hole with no oversight was.


You can't really punish people for making their decisions with the best information available. That's what life is. You get heart surgery, shit it didn't work...well was that the best option? was it a choice between bad and worse?


The problem with Iraq, was it was based on lies, cherry picked info and handled poorly. criminally poorly.


Had we just gone in, deposed Saddam, put the number 6 or 7 guy in power with a lists of what he could and could not do, boom problem solved. We get to blow some stuff up and order some new tanks, that makes the right wing happy.....

But instead it was some grand freedom project bullshit that was fantasyland type stuff. I mean, the middleast already has a flourishing democracy, it's called Israel. They aren't all trying to copy it. lol


So no, the problem was execution. But we elected morons, who appointed morons and that's what morons do. They fu0K things up that aren't overly complicated.


The scary thing is, these people still are looked to. Cheney gives his opinion every now and then, the right listens. Mccain, Graham, Rumsfeld.....these people should have zero credibility and be thought of as laughing stocks.....but they still hold repsect and admiration in their circles. It's crazy.

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tinku

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got get bigga ears

 

[star-warrior]

Blair and his lapdog Alastair Campbell... Shameful, horrible pieces of human detritus.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10192271/The-betrayal-of-Dr-David-Kelly-10-years-on.html

 

[Yooper]

Good grief; I'm in trouble.

I understood ALL of Sloppy's posts in this here thread

 

[ManLicker]

Has Sloppy developed a Scottish accent?