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Do you think all migrants, no migrants or some migrants should be vetted before entering the USA?

mikey3000 said:
Wow. Does Fox have that many viewers? Well, I guess it's better than the 10% who believed in the Russian collusion delusion.
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Barr wrote in his summary of Mueller's report: “While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

I recommend that you look up the definition of 'exonerate'.
 
No. Prior to 1926 anyone who wanted to come to America could do so save the Chinese.

The Spanish were also in America, New Mexico and Florida particularly, before Jamestown was founded.
 
mikey3000 said:
Well, he has done more to benefit Americans than most other Presidents have, no?
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No. Sociopaths and narcissists seek only to benefit themselves.
 
KaraBulut said:
No. Sociopaths and narcissists seek only to benefit themselves.
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Spot on. And to benefit the 1% of Americans. Otherwise, I can't think of anything he's done that has benefited the remaining 99%. He's done a lot to take away from them, but not given to them.
 
mikey3000 said:
Look at your 401k.
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Anyone who has been in the market knows that what goes up always goes down. And FYI, only 1/3 of Americans even have a 401K.

I'm more interested in the deficit, inflation, cost Medicare and Social Security cuts. Those affect every American. All indications are that Trump has managed to damage the US economy, much in the way that he's driven many of his own businesses into financial ruin.

The inflation rate has doubled.

US federal deficit widens 77% in first four months of fiscal 2019 [CNN]

Trump Lauded Farmers, Medicare and AIDS Programs. Then Came His Budget Knife. [NY Times]
But America’s farmers, a key component of the president’s base and a group suffering the effects of his trade war with China, could be among those the budget would squeeze: The White House wants to ax 15 percent, or $3.6 billion, from the Agriculture Department’s budget. According to budget documents, officials plan to “efficiently use taxpayer resources” to find savings by eliminating “overly generous subsidy programs” and examining other safety nets...

...a November decision to cut costs for Medicare by reducing the number of drugs that must be made available to people with H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS...

...Steep cuts to the international affairs budget would include a 22 percent reduction to the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, or Pepfar, according to the One Campaign, which seeks to eliminate global poverty and preventable diseases...

The budget proposal would cut $818 billion from Medicare over 10 years, in part by squeezing payments to hospitals, nursing homes and home health providers. And it envisions cutting nearly $1.5 trillion from Medicaid, replacing the open-ended federal contribution with grants to states that would essentially cap payments and would not keep pace with rising health care costs....
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Don't use the "...but the trains ran on time" justifications. What is going on at the border looks too much like Europe before the Geneva Conventions.
 
"Last week it was reported that the U.S. economy expanded by 2.9 percent in 2018, when measured from the 2017 annual level to the 2018 annual level. By a different metric, one that measures from the fourth quarter of 2017 to the fourth quarter of 2018, the economy expanded by 3.1 percent.

This is a growth rate unmatched since 2005, according to the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis’ economic activity report."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...beral-economists-are-starting-to-admit-it.amp
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Obviously Democrats and Republicans have different priorities.
 
How about migrants from countries other than Central America and Mexico, should migrants from all countries get a free pass?
 
mikey3000 said:
How about migrants from countries other than Central America and Mexico, should migrants from all countries get a free pass?
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What people are included when you use the term “migrants?”

opinterph said:
Thus far in this thread we have identified: migrants, no migrants, some migrants, native peoples, immigrants, anchor babies, native born citizens, naturalized citizens, asylum seekers, families, sponsored relatives, refugees, friends, illegal aliens, and visitors.
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mi·grant
/ˈmīɡrənt/

noun
1.
a person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.

This what's crossing the southern border, no?
 
Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees

The Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, also known as the 1951 Refugee Convention, is a United Nations multilateral treaty that defines who is a refugee, and sets out the rights of individuals who are granted asylum and the responsibilities of nations that grant asylum.

The Refugee Convention builds on Article 14 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which recognizes the right of persons to seek asylum from persecution in other countries. A refugee may enjoy rights and benefits in a state in addition to those provided for in the Convention...

Article 1 of the Convention defines a refugee as this:
As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.
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If Obama did his job and enforced the laws already in place, Trump wouldn't have to take such a hard stance.

He (Obama) has slashed annual deportations – down 80 percent from President George W. Bush – and curtailed enforcement action across the board.
Most deportations are border intercepts, when illegal entrants are caught at or near the border (or in an airport) and sent back. Of 235,000 deportations reported by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in fiscal year 2015 (ended in September 2015), 165,000 or 70 percent were border intercepts, and just 70,000 or 30 percent were removals from inside the nation.
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https://www.tennessean.com/story/op...n-system-obama-refuses-enforce-laws/93280988/

So back to the question, should ALL migrants, no migrants, or some migrants, at all ports of entry, be vetted or just greeted with open arms?
 
mikey3000 said:
If Obama did his job and enforced the laws already in place, Trump wouldn't have to take such a hard stance.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/op...n-system-obama-refuses-enforce-laws/93280988/
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*sigh*

Still don't get the difference between "opinion" and "journalism", eh?

(hint: if it says "opinion", you should verify the data so that you don't look like a fool when the data doesn't support the "opinion")

Here's the actual data from the DHS website:
https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2014/table39
 
But wait! The CNN piece you linked above is opinion. It's only good journalism when it follows your agenda? And your government link has nothing to do with this thread. Can you answer the question or not?
 
mikey3000 said:
mi·grant
/ˈmīɡrənt/

noun
1.
a person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.

This what's crossing the southern border, no?
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No. “What” is crossing the southern border is now much more likely to include children and entire families seeking to escape violent crime, unrestrained gangs, and government failure by Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras to protect the poor in those countries against threats and violence. According to your definition, those people are not migrants.

For generations before [the past five years], the typical profile of an undocumented migrant crossing into the United States from Mexico was a man, traveling without family. This man wasn’t fleeing threats or violence: he was looking for work or to start a new life in the United States. That profile is changing with dizzying speed.

The U.S. Government’s 2018 Border Data Clearly Shows Why the Trump Administration is on the Wrong Track (Washington Office on Latin America; October 23, 2018)
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Note: Most US migration happens to and from regions within the country and doesn’t involve the crossing of national borders. In recent decades US migration has resulted in a loss of population in the Northeastern and Midwestern states and an increase of population in Western and Southern states.
 
mikey3000 said:
But wait! The CNN piece you linked above is opinion.
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The only recent CNN link I see in this thread is a video segment from a TV show consisting of political commentary by political commentators. I presume you are referring to the remarks by Bill Kristol?
 
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