Do you think straight men can be feminist?

[Marco Sensual]

Do you think straight men can be feminist like women?

Often women who are feminist talk against men.They often saying that men only think of sex,they only wants to have sex,if you don t want to have sex with men they would not care about you,ect...

Often straight men don t like women who are feminist because they feel threat by them.

Do you think straight men can fight for women rights the same way as women who are feminist?

 

[DarkHelios]

Of course, women who aren't feminists are quite capable of speaking against men as well. A feminist is just someone who believes in equality between men and women, so the term isn't limited by gender or sexuality.

 

[probeteam1]

Breaking this into parts:

Do you think straight men can be feminist like women?

Yes.

Often women who are feminist talk against men.They often saying that men only think of sex,they only wants to have sex,if you don t want to have sex with men they would not care about you,ect...

That isn't feminism; it's misandry (the counterpart to misogyny). Sadly, many tend to get the two confused.

Often straight men don t like women who are feminist because they feel threat by them.

I suppose some feel that way. However, there's a bit of the same confusion as above: if men come to think of feminism as a low opinion of men, then they have an obvious reason for their own dislike. It's not necessarily about threat.
What's more, I'm fairly sure that the reaction of some men towrd feminist politics is actually about ideology.

Do you think straight men can fight for women rights the same way as women who are feminist?

I don't think straight men are constitutionally incapable of fighting for the rights of women.

 

[Candyapple]

Wow. No wonder the bisexual section of this board has gone to hell. With interesting and highly stimulating subjects such as this, can there be any wonder why? What is this? The Oprah Winfrey Show? Are there any bisexual and gay boards out there for men? BTW, my answer to the question is another question...who the hell cares?

I do, and apparently a few others do too. If you don't, don't read the thread! The title is pretty damn clear, so if it's not interesting to you, don't click on it. And as for this section 'going to hell' why don't you start some 'highly stimulating' threads of your own instead of whinging about it?

Yes, I think straight men can be feminists. Why not?

Probeteam hits it on the head. A lot of people confuse feminism with man-hating, and it's not the same thing AT ALL. Feminists believe that men and women should be equal - there's no reason why men, straight, bi or gay, can't hold that opinion as well.

For the record, I'm a woman and I consider myself a feminist, and not only do I not hate men, I love them. Adore them. I just don't think they should be considered superior to me simply because I don't have a penis.

 

[Marco Sensual]

Candyapple, if you were familiar with me or my posts, you'd know not to take the majority of them seriously. In fact, most are intended to be tongue-in-cheek like the one above. Yes, I agree that straight men can be feminists, but I doubt that the majority of straight male feminists could ever be as passionate about the movement as the women involved. Further, what's implicit in the question is that bi and gay men are more inclined to be feminists than straight men. This is a naive assumption. More appropriately, this question regarding feminism should be posed to all men, not just straight men. IMO, it's a naive question. How can I take it seriously?

There are so many other significant issues regarding bisexual and straight men that could be addressed, and yet we get a thread regarding feminism and straight men? How many straight men are on this board? Sorry, but this subject matter is better suited for Oprah IMO. As for starting threads myself, I've tried before, but I fail to get much feedback. It's just that I'm a little different from the rest of the guys out here. I'm involved in a longterm relationship. There really aren't that many of us around here from what I've seen. We're pretty much like the women on the board. It appears that my background and life experience is much different from most out here as well.

The way you talk is like you take that thread the wrong way.

A lot of straight men hates women who are feminist.Some straight men i know.Saw the movie I Spit On Your Grave.This is an horror movie.In that movie a women get raped often by some men.At the end of the movie she kills these men.These straight men i know hate that movie because of the feminist message in that movie.These straight men were talking against feminist.They were insulting them.

If i made a thread about.Do you think straight men can be feminist?It s because straight men are more concern about it.Most of the time feminist talk against straight men.Not against gay men.So gay men are not really concern about it.

If i ve done a thread about.Do you think gay men can be feminist?It would be weird because gay men are known to be more feminist than straight men.Women and gay men are often persecuted by straight men.So women and gay men have to fight for their rights.A lot of straight men think that they are superior to women.It s normal that women are not happy about it.Sften women who are feminist talk against straight men.Gay men don t think that women are inferior.A lot straight men think that women are inferior.

It s not a naive assumption.It's not a naive question.It s a problem who concern mostly straight men.When you hear about feminism.You hear about straight men.Not gay men.Some straight men are feminist and some straight men ar not feminist.

No need to make a thread about.Do you think gay men can be feminist because gay men can more easily be feminist than straight men.

Straight men have to admit that they often badly treat women.Feminist are there to fixed problems about straight men.Straight men can t talk against feminist.If they talk against feminist.They don t want equality.

Women,straight men and gay men should all be equal.

A lot of straight men are not aware of that yet.

 

[probeteam1]

Well, I'm not sure if I should wade back into this debate, but here are a few rebuttals to think on.

The way you talk is like you take that thread the wrong way.

A lot of straight men hates women who are feminist.

See? There you go again qualifying it with the word "straight." A lot of men hate feminism. Hell, a lot of women aren't too hot for it either - I've met women who don't really intend to vote, but would still prefer if men held doors for them (A naive description, I'm aware, but that's what it means to them). "Those dumb bitches who wanted jobs ruined it for the rest of us."

Some straight men i know.Saw the movie I Spit On Your Grave.This is an horror movie.In that movie a women get raped often by some men.At the end of the movie she kills these men.These straight men i know hate that movie because of the feminist message in that movie.These straight men were talking against feminist.They were insulting them.

See, that's not a quality of heterozexuality; it's a quality of stupidity. Not having seen the movie, I can't say how feminist it actually is, but the whole wronged/revent thing isn't uniquely feminist.

If i made a thread about.Do you think straight men can be feminist?It s because straight men are more concern about it.Most of the time feminist talk against straight men.Not against gay men.So gay men are not really concern about it.

You really think so? Most feminists I've dealt with tend to lump all men together. Gay men aren't excused from being oppressive patriarchal swine. Especially if you factor in the lesbian-feminists, many of whom seem to have a special bone to pick with gay men. I've never met a feminist woman who didn't have as much (or more) to say to me than any straight man. in the room.

If i ve done a thread about.Do you think gay men can be feminist?It would be weird because gay men are known to be more feminist than straight men.

They are? I must have missed that memo. I've heard it argued (by well-educated feminists, no less) that gay men are in many ways less feminist than straight men.

Women and gay men are often persecuted by straight men.So women and gay men have to fight for their rights.

Yes, but the rights of gay men are not the rights of straight women. To some degree, they are in competition for the soapbox when it comes time to talk issues. By that logic, gay/lesbian folks and bisexual folks should be as thick as thieves. But there's constant conflict, as you can even occasionally see on these boards. What about gay men and lesbians. Either of the above and the transgendered? What happens when we introduce race? It woulf be nice to think that mutual oppression would cause such groups to pull together, but I don't think it's that universal.

A lot of straight men think that they are superior to women.

Again, you can remove "straight" from that sentence and it would still be true.

It s normal that women are not happy about it.Sften women who are feminist talk against straight men.

Women who are feminist discuss men, regardless of their sexuality. My sexuality never saved me from verbal assault when the discussion of gender politics stopped being civil. The two aren't that closely related.

Gay men don t think that women are inferior.A lot straight men think that women are inferior.

Sure they do; I've met them. I've met gay men every bit as ragingly misogynistic as your average *insert politically incorrect stereotype here*, but since he'll never date a woman, it's just considered "cute."

It s not a naive assumption.It's not a naive question.

Yes, it is naive. It's naive to assume that feminist women perceive gay men as allies just because they're gay. It's naive to assume that gay men are more feminist just because they don't want to have sex with women (or any other quality you ascribe to gay men). It's naive to assume that intelligent, thoughtful straight men couldn't be just as committed.

It s a problem who concern mostly straight men.When you hear about feminism.You hear about straight men.Not gay men.

No, I hear about men. Come to think of it, more often these days I hear about women. Because that's who feminism is really about.

Some straight men are feminist and some straight men ar not feminist.

Taking this as a given, why ask the question?

No need to make a thread about.Do you think gay men can be feminist because gay men can more easily be feminist than straight men.

This is not proven. Given that gay men can (and sometimes do) socialize wholly with other men, why would they even care about feminism?[/quote]Straight men have to admit that they often badly treat women.[/quote]Like a gay man never treated a woman poorly?

Feminist are there to fixed problems about straight men.

It was my understanding that feminists were there to fix the problems of women.

Straight men can t talk against feminist.If they talk against feminist.They don t want equality.

That's not true at all. Such talk is only true if one accepts that the goal of feminism is actual equality. I've heard the argument before that this is not the case.

Women,straight men and gay men should all be equal.

So they should. Your point?

A lot of straight men are not aware of that yet.

A lot of people are not aware of that, but it's not a condition unique to straight men.

 

[uofaguy7]

Do you think straight men can be feminist like women?

Often women who are feminist talk against men.They often saying that men only think of sex,they only wants to have sex,if you don t want to have sex with men they would not care about you,ect...

Often straight men don t like women who are feminist because they feel threat by them.

Do you think straight men can fight for women rights the same way as women who are feminist?

Yes of course. I took a feminism/Women's Studies class and it is not really about bashing men or anything liek that. There are men's feminist groups

 

[squiggle]

the question is, should they be feminist?

men still die several years before women in most countries. if that is not a human rights issue i don't know what is.

there is equality and justice and then there is propaganda.

Yes they should be feminist. Are you suggesting that feminisim is just propoganda? To achieve what? The idea that women are normal people.

On the issue of men dying before women. Who's fault is that? Certainly not women.

Softmen, I'm not a straight man, but in answer to your question, yes straight men can be feminist. Of course, just because you have not met any in your world does not mean you can make sweeping generalizations like you have been, otherwise why ask the question?

 

[TheTrish]

Hi! Shouldn't there be refreshments in this thread? LOL

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