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Say.

Do you think that.

Peace is impossible

That things will always be the way they are to a certain extent. As in. Crime will never dissapear. And justice and truth will never dissapear.

Well. The only way that they'd all dissapear. Is if humans as a whole become extinct or become wiped out.

I just think sometimes. And even stronger. That maybe we're wrong to blame the Christians for hating us or thinking bad us, to blame god, to blame criminals, to blame or hate.

And to a certain extent. I sort of question jail. I HIGHLY question the death penalty. The government doesn't have the right to take ones life away.

But isn't the real source of problems. The real reason why gays are somtimes discriminated, the reason why racial issues occur, terrorists, war, and everything that seems to be an issue and put others down or hurt others.

Isn't the true cause and problem of everything..people?

I just think. Well sorta know. That the true result of criminals, murder, and crime is how a person was raised, the effect people had on their lives, and certain events that happened. And that there was a certain point in time where that person's path could have been changed but wasn't to due to unknown or difficult circumstances. For that reason I don't know why. But I see killers and murders as humans. Not monsters or demons. I'd probably defend a criminal or murder as well. Because. They are still human. Even if their actions are wrong. But I also realize. There comes a certain point in someone's life. When they are no longer who they used to be. And everything they were before is basically dead. And that person is just a shell. So to a certain extent. I am contradicting what I say. But not everyone becomes a shell.

So I sort of wonder. Instead of fighting so much of who is right and who is wrong. And arguing so much. That the true problem is people. And it's not that everyone should be exterminated because everyone is corrupt and evil. Although I think everyone does have darkness in them and has the potential to use it or feed it. But not everyone does. Some have it balanced and sometimes one outweighs the other.

But I think the real problem. Is, "Misunderstanding"

Why would someone who believes in a god who suppository helps people and empowers others. Put down so many people because they don't believe what he believes in. I wonder if someone like that can be reasoned with. I wonder if someone like that could be understood. But what happens after that I wonder anymore.

True understanding of people might be impossible. Because that might define peace which I think is impossible. I think there has to be a certain balance. And even though there are lots of thing wrong with this world and people get hurt. That it serves it's purpose. Even though it's cold and cruel sometimes. But at the same time. I question if it's necessary. If it really has to be the way it is.

I suppose these are just stupid thoughts of an 18 year old.

I just can't help thinking though. That if people can understand each other. That we'd have less problems. Because I think in some form or another. Everyone wants to understand each other. Even if they don't admit it. And even if it's hidden or results in jealousy, anger, revenge, sorrow, or some other type of emotion, feeling, or action. I wonder if the true reason is because they can't understand the person. And either give up on it or figure the person isn't worth it. But maybe in some ways. Every person is worth it and matters. And maybe human life cannot be weighed or compared to one or another. At least not in matters of class, money, or power. There might be those whose lives do weigh more. But for different reasons.

Those "If you could choose one person to live who would it be" situations or examples are troublesome. Because at that point you have to weigh the value of each person's life. Or maybe there is an alternative. But I wonder if there is always an alternative.

Maybe everyone wants someone that can understand them. Whether it be a friend, family, a lover, or whoever. Just someone who can say, "I understand". I wonder if there are some in life who never experience this or have it taken away from them. And then the question the beliefs of others or envy those who still have these things. And then claim, "They don't understand me" and use that as their excuse.

I don't know why I am thinking about this so much and using examples that are practically crap or that hold no proof other then a "belief" or "feeling"

I said a little of this at youth pride. Because I just couldn't hold it in. After hearing everyone say, "Bush is the problem", "Christians are the problem", "Criminals are the problem", "This and that is the problem"

And what those all have in common that I noticed. Is that they are all people. And ultimately people are the problem. But like I said. It doesn't mean everyone should be killed for being flawed or corrupted. It just means that I think. We need to understand each other better or try to. So that way. Maybe overtime the problems will disappear or slowly get closer to being resolved.

I probably should have made this a blog post.

But I am sort of curious of asking this question to everyone or anyone who wonders the same thing.

"Is it really possible for everyone to understand each other. Or at least learn to understand each other. Or are such examples, situations, and numbers impossible for someone to comprehend and impossible to understand everyone just because of the limits of being a human?"

I was just curious.

Sorry if I wasted anyone's time. I just feel a bit curious tonight.
 
I feel quite same. The thing is that people are subjective. They see what they Think is true in others.
 
Hi gdude,

What a great yet difficult question. As everyone on this board has a computer it is unlikely we can ever truly understand what it feels like to be a have-not!

True peace may be possible in a perfect almost "true communistic" world, where everyone is equal. Sadly, this is not possible. All we can do is to TRY and be fair (and sadly fair is in the eye of the beholder).:cry:
 
Say.

Are You.

Ever going to.

Learn how to write at an.

Adult level?

Your ponderings might just be interesting if they were offered up as more than just the apparently pot or alcohol induced ramblings of the sleep deprived.
 
Eh, that is a bit too long for me to read...


Peace, sounds great but I think it would be so fucking boring. I don't want total peace.
 
Some people don't use enough punctuation, you have more than made up for it in that post. Shame it is in all the wrong places.

To answer the question: I believe peace amongst humanity as a whole is impossible due to the nature of the beast. Peace is only possible in small like minded communities and chances are they will be at odds with another community who disagrees with them.

The planet will be well shot of us, we are like a virus, eventually we will damage our host so much that it can no longer support us and we will die off. The host will then recover and a new cycle will start.
 
Peace is impossible. War is a natural occupation of man. Power will never voluntarily be given up. War is necessary.
 
Too many selfish interests, so peace is impossible.

On another note, I was passing by the magazine stand in my local supermarket today, and saw the New Scientist magazine. It has an unusually grim prediction for the coming end of this century, and says by 2090 there will be a population collapse. I didn't read the article, too busy with the rest of the shopping, but that can only mean two things, either war, or starvation. So forget peace, Whatever the future holds, it will be bleak. According to the New Scientist magazine.
 
Say.

Are You.

Ever going to.

Learn how to write at an.

Adult level?

Hey, Rareboy. Be nice, my friend. :)


Your ponderings might just be interesting if they were offered up as more than just the apparently pot or alcohol induced ramblings of the sleep deprived.

Speak for yourself, love.


Okay. Now I'm going to read through his "rambling" (rambling in quotes).
 
The serious musings of a young inquiring mind are treasures not to be disparaged. 'You can teach a student a lesson for a day; but if you can teach him to learn by creating curiosity, he will continue the learning process as long as he lives." gdude 30 is beginning the journey that Socrates used so well with his students, to question. And from questioning the questioner solicits other's point of view. Is that not what he is doing here, seeking our points of view on this age old vexing query ?
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'Your life is a shame, 'till you can shout I am what I am. '
 
Is peace possible? Yes. I think almost anything is possible if people want it and work for it bad enough.

Is peace probable? No. Man has been fighting since God was a pup and has always been his own worst enemy.
 
It's, in a way, simple.

Crime, injustice, discrimination, etc...they all have their purpose. It's a cliche but true...there has to be Good and there has to be Evil...they're two sides of the same coin and one cannot exist without the other.
If there wasn't crime, then law wouldn't exist. If there wasn't injustice and discrimination, our societies wouldn't develop and evolve.
It all comes down to obstacles. They force us to change and evolve, to re-evaluate ourselves, our "rules", principles, etc...to revise and question things so we can find new, possibly, better ways.

A perfect balance between good and evil is the ideal, on the surface. But the truth, and perfection, isn't found in that ideal goal but rather in the search for it.
In my opinion, we're perfect precisely because we're imperfect. Being imperfect grants us the potential to better ourselves and evolve...that's the point of it all!
 
Haha. I really suck with writing.

I think you explained that quite well Fucker. I've always sort of thought that before. If there ever was true peace, no war, no violence, and things like that it might not even be called peace. It might just be something that is and sort of expected. And things like war, crime, wouldn't exist. But the same goes for only crime, war, and etc. Then freedom, peace, and words like that would foreign. I suppose you can really only know the definition of the two if they both exist.

The problem is when there becomes too much of one side. Although. If we aim for peace or aim for human understanding. Then we can probably do really good at keeping things balanced. Although trying too hard might throw things off balance. It's really confusing..

But you make another good point. We grow because of crime and war. They can somehow make us better then we already are or as you say, evolve. When we have some kind of obstacle. We try to overcome it. If we never had any obstacles. Then maybe we wouldn't grow.

I don't know what you mean by morse code. I diddn't think I was writing like that >_>"

pocono said:
Hi gdude,

What a great yet difficult question. As everyone on this board has a computer it is unlikely we can ever truly understand what it feels like to be a have-not!

True peace may be possible in a perfect almost "true communistic" world, where everyone is equal. Sadly, this is not possible. All we can do is to TRY and be fair (and sadly fair is in the eye of the beholder

When you put it that way pocky. Maybe fair shouldn't be decided from the eye of the beholder. Since vision, sight, and reality can seem confusing and false at times. Maybe what's really right is what feels right. When you do something do you feel good about or do you feel wrong? But with this being said there are people in this world who has certain flaws to where their feelings and gut instincts are somewhat altered. Things that make them feel good or meet their needs as a human might be different then others. And if someone like that was in power then things would be really fucked up. So I guess that's sort of troublesome and false. I suppose when it gets to the desperate point where you absolutely need something. Food, shelter, warmth, or some kind of basic human need. Maybe when it gets to that point that is TRULY what is needed and what is right. But the way we are now. It's sort of hard to determine what's right and wrong now. I guess whatever limits a human's needs or puts human needs down. Maybe that is wrong.

trawler said:
Some people don't use enough punctuation, you have more than made up for it in that post. Shame it is in all the wrong places.

To answer the question: I believe peace amongst humanity as a whole is impossible due to the nature of the beast. Peace is only possible in small like minded communities and chances are they will be at odds with another community who disagrees with them.

The planet will be well shot of us, we are like a virus, eventually we will damage our host so much that it can no longer support us and we will die off. The host will then recover and a new cycle will start.

For that reason I think you are right. And I am not sure if it's so much the people. But the mindset. To think, "Oh maybe this person's way of life is wrong. We need to go change that."

Because people have different ideas, beliefs, and personalities. That itself might make true peace impossible. And to make everyone talk, act, and think the same. That's a dictatorship. But I wonder. If there is something that EVERYONE in the world can agree on.

But like I said before. Even though it's probably impossible. Because of what you said. And because I don't think the human mind can understand it. Well actually. I'm still convinced it's because of the human mind's limits. The lack of understanding it has. And that the human mind cannot understand everyone. At least I don't think it can. Maybe that's more the reason. Although, Recollection is somewhat interesting.

alexander IV said:
The serious musings of a young inquiring mind are treasures not to be disparaged. 'You can teach a student a lesson for a day; but if you can teach him to learn by creating curiosity, he will continue the learning process as long as he lives." gdude 30 is beginning the journey that Socrates used so well with his students, to question. And from questioning the questioner solicits other's point of view. Is that not what he is doing here, seeking our points of view on this age old vexing query ?

Thanks Alexander. But they are probably right. These are just stupid pointless thoughts and ramblings. Besides. Philosophers are dead. Even though they are greatly needed in this day and age. They barely and possibly don't exist anymore. Politics overshadowed them.

That is true. Socrates did do that diddn't he. Instead of saying he tought his students. He tried to make the students find the knowledge in themselves and bring it out by asking questions. And claimed that we all have knowledge within ourselves.

The point of asking other people. Is to compare their thoughts to your own. And build up more information that has almost no proof to back it up. But can be useful to refer to for later. Self information more like. I suppose that's all it really ever can be though. But even so. It's not completely pointless. Nothing is.

Anyways. I probably shouldn't have made a post like this. I really wasn't thinking when I made this thread...
 
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