Do you wash the toilet bowl everytime after you poop?

[rareboy]

Thank you so much for your sincere advice.

I feel a bit better reading your advice.

You use peroxide with a nail brush to clean your hands or the toilet bowl?


You don't wash your toilet bowl every day?

the fingernails.

As I noted above, our toilet gets a quick swirl with the brush if there's any bits stuck to the bowl after flushing including under the rim and the seat underside. Once a week, it gets some bleach and a scrub and wipedown.

I will reiterate though, that you have anxiety disorder. Quitting a psychiatrist after one session and not taking medication would seem to indicate that you prefer the anxiety to having the responsibility of being your best partner in achieving your best state of mental health. And a couple of sessions with a therapist aren't going to result in change overnight. It will be a process and part of that process is finding the right therapist that you can share everything with. If you are not being a fully honest participant in your therapy, they can't help you. I find that everyone who says they didn't find therapy helpful are those who hold things back and a lot of time is wasted while the therapist has to try and extract information while the 'patient' becomes more and more frustrated that their therapist hasn't been able to guess all their secrets.

If you want to gain some control and mental peace, please consider re-engaging with a therapist and doing it in a productive way.

The alternative, I guess is that you will always find people on a forum to discuss your phobias with and be able to avoid ever having to fully engage in the outside world.

 

[Peloso]

I actually saw a psychiatrist a few years ago. The psychiatrist prescribed me some pills. But I was so afraid of the side effects of the pills. I was worried that the pills will give me diarrhoea. I didn't take the pills and I stopped seeing the psychiatrist just after one session with him.

I saw a therapist a few years ago. But I find it quite expensive so I stopped seeing the therapist after a few sessions.

SSRIs may cause diarrhea in some, but temporary. I've been taking them for decades and never had a problem.

Do you have health insurance? Therapy is your only option. There is literally no other way you can deal with this problem.

Otherwise, prepare for a lifetime of this:

It is very tough, very, very, tough and so mentally and physically exhausting living with OCD ( obsessive compulsive disorder)

And the worst thing is your family don't understand your condition and actions, and all they ever do is just scold and scold and scold you.

It hurts so much. It's like living a nightmare every day. And you have no one to talk to because your family don't care about you.

You can also expect a limited social life, trouble with meeting guys, and a low paying job.

Left unchecked, that's what OCD will get you.

 

[spooger]

I scrub the toilet about every other day. I don't regard pooping as a gross function but I prefer to keep a clean bathroom and a clean kitchen. Don't punish yourself for cleaning the toilet frequently. Think of it as cleanliness and sanitation. Just don't obsess over it. Everyday or two is fine.

Do you also clean your kitchen obsessively? Your bed linens? Your trash can? Your car? Do what satisfies you. Don't obsessi because you like a clean environment.

 

[ShadowCat]

So 100% serious question because of the nature of your OCD Does the thought of rimming or anal send you screaming to the hills with a bottle of Lysol and Listerine?

 

[Peloso]

Just don't obsess over it. Everyday or two is fine.

Wow. Just like that! A cure for OCD. It's a miracle!

 

[travis82]

the fingernails.

As I noted above, our toilet gets a quick swirl with the brush if there's any bits stuck to the bowl after flushing including under the rim and the seat underside. Once a week, it gets some bleach and a scrub and wipedown.

I will reiterate though, that you have anxiety disorder. Quitting a psychiatrist after one session and not taking medication would seem to indicate that you prefer the anxiety to having the responsibility of being your best partner in achieving your best state of mental health. And a couple of sessions with a therapist aren't going to result in change overnight. It will be a process and part of that process is finding the right therapist that you can share everything with. If you are not being a fully honest participant in your therapy, they can't help you. I find that everyone who says they didn't find therapy helpful are those who hold things back and a lot of time is wasted while the therapist has to try and extract information while the 'patient' becomes more and more frustrated that their therapist hasn't been able to guess all their secrets.

If you want to gain some control and mental peace, please consider re-engaging with a therapist and doing it in a productive way.

The alternative, I guess is that you will always find people on a forum to discuss your phobias with and be able to avoid ever having to fully engage in the outside world.

Thank you very much for your advices.

Sorry. I am a bit confused.

After you poop, you wipe your butt with toilet paper?

Then you clean your hands with soap and water?

Then you use peroxide with a nail brush to clean your finger nails?

Isn't peroxide some kind of toxic chemical?

 

[travis82]

I scrub the toilet about every other day. I don't regard pooping as a gross function but I prefer to keep a clean bathroom and a clean kitchen. Don't punish yourself for cleaning the toilet frequently. Think of it as cleanliness and sanitation. Just don't obsess over it. Everyday or two is fine.

Do you also clean your kitchen obsessively? Your bed linens? Your trash can? Your car? Do what satisfies you. Don't obsessi because you like a clean environment.

Thank you for your advices.

I don't clean the kitchen. Bed linens, trash can....hardly.

I don't have a car.

It's only the toilet bowl that I feel like that I have to wash it with water using the shower head and water hose everytime after I poop,

 

[Kahaih]

Or,

Wow. Just like that! A diagnosis of OCD.


Very little info to go on, in this thread, and apparently, some of us don't see a disorder.
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Not that that matters, really, no qualified professional in their right mind would practice medicine on a chat site.

 

[travis82]

So 100% serious question because of the nature of your OCD Does the thought of rimming or anal send you screaming to the hills with a bottle of Lysol and Listerine?

Sorry. I have never have anal or rimming before.

The thought of rimming or anal? Not really. Because they are just thoughts and I have never actually experience those things.

 

[travis82]

SSRIs may cause diarrhea in some, but temporary. I've been taking them for decades and never had a problem.

Do you have health insurance? Therapy is your only option. There is literally no other way you can deal with this problem.

Otherwise, prepare for a lifetime of this:



You can also expect a limited social life, trouble with meeting guys, and a low paying job.

Left unchecked, that's what OCD will get you.

Thank you for your advices. I do appreciate it.

I do have heath insurance.

Right now, I am having two problems.

The mental problem...my obsessive compulsive disorder. My fear of poop.

The physical problem...I have been dealing with constipation or chronic constipation for the past three years. I feel that it is affecting and ruining my life.

I don't know which is worse. The mental problem (OCD ) or the physical problem( constipation)

I feel like the physical problem ( constipation) is more serious.

 

[Peloso]

Thank you very much for your advices.

Sorry. I am a bit confused.

After you poop, you wipe your butt with toilet paper?

Then you clean your hands with soap and water?

Then you use peroxide with a nail brush to clean your finger nails?

Isn't peroxide some kind of toxic chemical?

Peroxide is not toxic if used properly. You can rinse your mouth with it. It says so right on the bottle.

Or,

Wow. Just like that! A diagnosis of OCD.


Very little info to go on, in this thread, and apparently, some of us don't see a disorder.
/\
Not that that matters, really, no qualified professional in their right mind would practice medicine on a chat site.

You have a good point there.

Perhaps OCD should not have been mentioned, but the OP certainly sounds like he needs to talk to a professional about this, so I'd say the advice to do so was appropriate. Especially since he said this problem was ruining his life.

Who knows? It could just be a case of coprophobia. But it's his reaction to the problem is what raises the red flag. The word "worry" is used more than once. Disregard for reason and facts. Being misunderstood and treated impatiently by others. All signs of a person suffering from OCD.

I know nothing about coprophobia but here I go anyway:

I would think someone with coprophobia would go on and on about his disgust and possibly even try to deny or somehow block out his elimination functions. Here, I see a purely emotional response and a whole shitload of anxiety. Anxiety is both the fuel and by-product of OCD.

OCD may be fear-based, but it's unrelated to phobia. It's an obsession with a particular phobia (or phobias), and that's what we're seeing here.

I suppose the question to ask is whether he has been ever actually diagnosed. One visit to a therapist is usually not enough for a definitive diagnosis, but they symptoms of OCD are not so complex that a dx can't be arrived at in a short period of time.

What I find most troubling about this thread is the dismissive and jokey attitudes expressed in many posts. I know I'm probably not one to talk in that department, but even I have my limits. OCD or not, this guy is clearly in pain and distress and is asking for help.

 

[Peloso]

Thank you for your advices. I do appreciate it.

I do have heath insurance.

Right now, I am having two problems.

The mental problem...my obsessive compulsive disorder. My fear of poop.

The physical problem...I have been dealing with constipation or chronic constipation for the past three years. I feel that it is affecting and ruining my life.

I don't know which is worse. The mental problem (OCD ) or the physical problem( constipation)

I feel like the physical problem ( constipation) is more serious.

You say you have health insurance. Use it! Constipation is usually easy to treat. You could try to use some OTC remedies, but be careful. Take them only as directed. Do NOT allow your anxiety and frustration to make you use misuse the medication!!!

It is best to deal with the physical problem first, then move on the tackle the psychological one.

Since your constipation has been chronic, maybe it's best to see a doctor. And while you're there, mention your OCD suspicions. Don't be afraid. I assure you, the doctor has seen worse.

 

[travis82]

Peroxide is not toxic if used properly. You can rinse your mouth with it. It says so right on the bottle.



You have a good point there.

Perhaps OCD should not have been mentioned, but the OP certainly sounds like he needs to talk to a professional about this, so I'd say the advice to do so was appropriate. Especially since he said this problem was ruining his life.

Who knows? It could just be a case of coprophobia. But it's his reaction to the problem is what raises the red flag. The word "worry" is used more than once. Disregard for reason and facts. Being misunderstood and treated impatiently by others. All signs of a person suffering from OCD.

I know nothing about coprophobia but here I go anyway:

I would think someone with coprophobia would go on and on about his disgust and possibly even try to deny or somehow block out his elimination functions. Here, I see a purely emotional response and a whole shitload of anxiety. Anxiety is both the fuel and by-product of OCD.

OCD may be fear-based, but it's unrelated to phobia. It's an obsession with a particular phobia (or phobias), and that's what we're seeing here.

I suppose the question to ask is whether he has been ever actually diagnosed. One visit to a therapist is usually not enough for a definitive diagnosis, but they symptoms of OCD are not so complex that a dx can't be arrived at in a short period of time.

What I find most troubling about this thread is the dismissive and jokey attitudes expressed in many posts. I know I'm probably not one to talk in that department, but even I have my limits. OCD or not, this guy is clearly in pain and distress and is asking for help.

Thank you so much for your reply and advices and coming to my defense.

I have seen a therapist before a few years ago.

I have told her about my condition.

She gave me some information sheets on OCD and explain to me about OCD.

I need to go and find those information sheets and maybe I can post what it says here on this thread.

 

[travis82]

You say you have health insurance. Use it! Constipation is usually easy to treat. You could try to use some OTC remedies, but be careful. Take them only as directed. Do NOT allow your anxiety and frustration to make you use misuse the medication!!!

It is best to deal with the physical problem first, then move on the tackle the psychological one.

Since your constipation has been chronic, maybe it's best to see a doctor. And while you're there, mention your OCD suspicions. Don't be afraid. I assure you, the doctor has seen worse.

Thank you so much for your advices.

My problem with constipation is that previously, I don't seem to have the urge to poop every day.

But a few months ago, I went to the hospital to see a colorectal doctor.

She told me that I don't have to poop every day. And she told me that I only go to the toilet to poop unless I really have the urge to poop.

So I follow her advice.

Previously, I was straining every day, forcing myself to poop every day, every morning regardless whether I have the urge to poop or not.

Now I only go to the toilet to poop only when I feel the urge ( when I feel that the poop is slowly coming out )

There is some improvement.

I find out that if I try to drink one big glass of water before I sleep at night. And when I wake up in the morning, I drink two big glass of water, then I will have the urge to poop.

But I have to go to the toilet to pee about four-five times before the urge to poop arrive.

But right now, my biggest problem is that even when I have the urge to poop, when I undress and sit on the toilet bowl, the poop will not come out by itself.

There is a delay. The poop seems to be stuck somewhere in the middle of the anus, near the opening. And I have to breathe in and out, expand my stomach to get the poop to move a little bit and continue breathing in and out, expand my stomach, and slowly after a while (it can be five,ten minutes or longer than than that) , and then the poop will come out.

I don't understand. In the past, if I have the urge to poop, if I don't hurry to the toilet in time, I will end up pooping all over my pants.

But now even when I have the urge to poop, the poop doesn't come out immediately by itself.

It takes its time and the poop will stop halfway near my rectum opening. Then I have to breath in and breath out, expand my stomach and try to make the poop move and eventually the poop will come out very fast or I have to keep breath in and breath out , expand my stomach to make all the poop come out of my rectum.

I have went to rehabilation clinic to see a physio therapist. She teach me the correct way to poop.

She said that I need to breath in and breath out, expand my stomach, lift my legs, ankles up and lean forward,.....so that the poop is able to come out,

She recommend that I get a toilet stool to help me to poop.

I have gotten a toilet stool before. But I am not used to it and find it quite uncomfortable.

But I follow her advices. When I sit on the toilet bowl, I breath in and breath out. And slowly expand my stomach. I try to lift my butt from the toilet seat a few inches away and try to lean forward, so that I can try to empty my bowel and get all the poop out easily.

Because of this technique and my position, lifting my butt above the toilet seat and leaning forward, I am scared and worried that my poop will accidentally touch the side and edges of the toilet bowl and toilet seat.

And this is also the reason why I need to clean and wash the toilet bowl,toilet seat with water everytime after I poop.

 

[rareboy]

It seems that your life revolves around shitting.

You indicate that you have received professional medical help with the physical issues around pooping but the underlying issues are the ones that probably need to be addressed.

You do realize that most people just have a relative indifference to defecation? That we don't really think about it much and don't plan our day and activities around it.

You have received a lot of encouragement here to seek out more psychotherapeutic counselling to help you develop strategies to manage obsessive compulsive behaviour around your deep aversion and I have to say, frankly limited understanding of shit.

There is no end of good clinical information and practical information on OCD behaviours out there. And about coprophobia or any other phobia.

Self-education is not only the place to start, it may be your best starting set of tools to better understanding of how your body actually functions so that you can actually have more knowledgeable conversations with doctors or other therapists.

Something to read:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6795226/

 

[travis82]

It seems that your life revolves around shitting.

You indicate that you have received professional medical help with the physical issues around pooping but the underlying issues are the ones that probably need to be addressed.

You do realize that most people just have a relative indifference to defecation? That we don't really think about it much and don't plan our day and activities around it.

You have received a lot of encouragement here to seek out more psychotherapeutic counselling to help you develop strategies to manage obsessive compulsive behaviour around your deep aversion and I have to say, frankly limited understanding of shit.

There is no end of good clinical information and practical information on OCD behaviours out there. And about coprophobia or any other phobia.

Self-education is not only the place to start, it may be your best starting set of tools to better understanding of how your body actually functions so that you can actually have more knowledgeable conversations with doctors or other therapists.

Something to read:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6795226/

Thank you for your reply.

I just wish that my constipation problem can be cure. I am worried that my constipation problem is due to damage muscles or nerves in my rectum?

As for my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and my fear of poop, thank you for your advice.

I will try to get some help although I think it is a very tough battle to overcome.

 

[travis82]

Sorry to hear of your anxiety. It can be lessened if you can get some therapy. You might begin, if professional help is not available, to read some articles and books on dealing with anxiety disorders. Don't make it out to be such a monster. It's a pattern of thought, and you can work to change it, little by little, and greatly improve your peace of mind.

My good friend Aaron was highly stressed by his own anxiety disorder when I met him over a decade ago, and he has made great progress and enjoys a peaceful life.

Also, don't think of feces as waiting to kill you or make you sick. That it makes the bathroom germy is somewhat true, but any threat to you is pretty much negated when you wash your hands thoroughly.

I am so sorry for my late reply to you.

I must have accidentally missed seeing your post.

I just saw your post.

Thank you for your reply and your advice. And thank you for sharing your story about your friend.

I feel a bit better after reading your advices.

 

[rareboy]

Thank you for your reply.

I just wish that my constipation problem can be cure. I am worried that my constipation problem is due to damage muscles or nerves in my rectum?

As for my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and my fear of poop, thank you for your advice.

I will try to get some help although I think it is a very tough battle to overcome.

Provide an exact list of what you eat and drink and the exact quantities (weights or volume) for a typical day prior to being constipated.

Don't leave anything out.

 

[Alnitak]

This is the second toilet thread and no.

 

[ShadowCat]

You know there are those scrubbing bubbles clings and Lysol toilet clings so it'd be less work for you!