Does anyone else find transsexual/transgender/etc. weird?

[LikesDudes2]

Now before your blow me over with liberal poo about acceptance and love, etc., I am by no means stating that the people who decide to live their lives like this or change their bodies have no right to do so, or that they deserve to be harassed for being different. I just think it's really bizarre. First of all, gender might be one thing that is variable, but sex is absolutely a random act of nature that is brought about by whether the x or y sperm "makes it first." So the logic that "I should have been born a male" as in "with a dick" fails: nobody "should have been" born anything, it just happened.

I guess what really pushed me over the ledge into thinking it's bizarre was when I finally took a dive and watched a FtM porn. I found it really weird I mean, you aren't jerking off, you're rubbing an oversized clit: you're still a woman, no matter what you say or do.

Now I know people will say "at one time, many thought homosexuality was a mental disorder." But the thing is, homosexuality has been practiced since the beginning of written history. It was only considered bizarre with the simultaneous arrival of the Victorian Era and the Second Great Awakening which created this mindset.

I don't know, but this whole thing seems a little odd to me I guess. Please don't hate me

 

[looseliam]

 

[sabot3ur]

No, I don't.

 

[lambdaboy]

No I don't and they no more chose to be who they are than you did if your gay.

If your str8 then your comments are understandable.

 

[NineOfClubs]

I'm sure they might find me weird for any number of reasons.

 

[Nomenclature]

sex is absolutely a random act of nature that is brought about by whether the x or y sperm "makes it first." So the logic that "I should have been born a male" as in "with a dick" fails: nobody "should have been" born anything, it just happened.

All embryos start out as female in the womb. At a certain point during pregnancy, some embryos are instructed to convert into the male form: brain, genitals, etc. Sometimes, this transformation doesn't work properly, and it can cause the person to either be intersexed (malformed genitalia that's neither fully a penis nor a vagina), or effectively a female brain in a male body, or vice versa.


Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus


Transexual Differences Caught On Brain Scan

Now I know people will say "at one time, many thought homosexuality was a mental disorder."

Incorrect; as i've just told you, it's a physical birth defect. Sure, being transgendered can screw a person up emotionally, especially with people like you around, but that's mostly caused by society and their families hating, rejecting, bullying and physically harming them. . .just like with homophobia and gay people.

But the thing is, homosexuality has been practiced since the beginning of written history. It was only considered bizarre with the simultaneous arrival of the Victorian Era and the Second Great Awakening which created this mindset.

1) This isn't true; Queens of Egypt and Emperors of Rome showed signs of transgenderism. This was thousands of years ago.


2) Being closeted does not mean "doesn't exist." It would be like saying that gay people didn't exist in America until the 1960s, when people began coming out in protest. Even today, many transgendered people hide their condition out of fear of rejection, bashing or being killed.

 

[LikesDudes2]

All embryos start out as female in the womb. At a certain point during pregnancy, some embryos are instructed to convert into the male form: brain, genitals, etc. Sometimes, this transformation doesn't work properly, and it can cause the person to either be intersexed (malformed genitalia that's neither fully a penis nor a vagina), or effectively a female brain in a male body, or vice versa.


Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus


Transexual Differences Caught On Brain Scan









Incorrect; as i've just told you, it's a physical birth defect. Sure, being transgendered can screw a person up emotionally, especially with people like you around, but that's mostly caused by society and their families hating, rejecting, bullying and physically harming them. . .just like with homophobia and gay people.







1) This isn't true; Queens of Egypt and Emperors of Rome showed signs of transgenderism. This was thousands of years ago.


2) Being closeted does not mean "doesn't exist." It would be like saying that gay people didn't exist in America until the 1960s, when people began coming out in protest. Even today, many transgendered people hide their condition out of fear of rejection, bashing or being killed.

People like me around? It's so funny how people like you are open minded to everything around you, except people with opposite opinions of you.

 

[pat grimshaw]

I know one 't.g.' who isn't just content to be a 't.g.' but who insists on discussing it in EVERY conversation.

 

[alli-berri]

Honestly, I don't give a fuck what people do if it isn't compromising anyone else's human rights.

Instead of trying to identify with people who think transexualism is weird, why not try to understand why it isn't weird?

It doesn't have to turn you on, but links like the ones Nomenclature have shared might help you empathize.

Good luck!

 

[stevexxx]

for me, (not to be offensive at all nor be judgmental)
i find transgendered and transsexual to be weird to a point i am grossed out.
i do not know why people spend thousands of dollars to change their sex and i don't know it fucking grosses me out.
Not the people just the idea.
For me, i think people should be comfortable in their own skin.
People should just be happy and make the best of what you are born either man or women; you shouldn't get a sex change.
i compare it with parents who want to change the genes of their children before they are born. You know, you could get your kid to be tall, any eye color, and whatever else. i find that wrong because i believe the pre- newborn baby loses his identity. I just find it wrong.
But what do i know? im just a 19 year old. I hope i was respectful to everyone and didn't offend anyone and if i did, i apologize because that was not my intent.

 

[easyroad]

Is there anyone on this fucking internet who cares in any way about respecting others? Hell, about any good manners?

What's the point of saying that you find any group of people "weird" or "annoying"? All it does is make you look like a douche. Also, you gotta love how LikesDudes goes on and on about how gross he thinks transexuals are, but is so offended when someone says "people like you". Didn't like that? Well, neither did the group of people you just treated like shit.

 

[pat grimshaw]

... respecting others...

Are you a Christian or something?

Respect is out.

Kanye don't respect.

Chris Brown don't respect.

Respect is something old people do!

 

[LikesDudes2]

Is there anyone on this fucking internet who cares in any way about respecting others? Hell, about any good manners?

What's the point of saying that you find any group of people "weird" or "annoying"? All it does is make you look like a douche. Also, you gotta love how LikesDudes goes on and on about how gross he thinks transexuals are, but is so offended when someone says "people like you". Didn't like that? Well, neither did the group of people you just treated like shit.

I didn't say they were gross, I said it was bizarre. And when did I treat a group of people like shit? Quit whining.

 

[1o1dcoD]

Well i will be honest. I'm gay, asian and was raised conservative. I was not a fan of trannies. I found them to be a big disgusting, taboo and made me feel weird.

But as I grew up, I kept looking into the tranny world more and I became more liberal.

And now it's been many years since discovering trannies and I find them pretty and exotic. when i watch porn, i like to go to tube8 and watch hot men do the trannies.

but i would never date someone who is transgendered. I find them to be my competition because I'm pretty, slim, smooth and asian.

i identitfy most trannies as bottoms. it's weird to see them fuck the hot men.

 

[jub390]

I'm with you OP. Now I'll preface this with I absolutely 100% support anyone's right to live the way they are happiest. And I accept the only reason I think it's weird may well be because I don't know enough about it, but everytime I ask this I just get called a biggot without anyone refuting my points or giving me an explanation other than "but how they feel on the inside should be what they look like on the outside" with no justification. Which is why I'm saying this, I welcome refutal.

Gender and sex are independant of each other. How you feel inside is your personality, and it has nothign to do with your physical appearance . On top of that, gender roles are really just constructs of society. So why is it that because someone thinks or enjoys things that are generally seen to be female roles in our society, that that they should be physically female or make themselves so? Or vice versa? Your body and your mind aren't the same thing. One can be biologically male, physically male and act in ways completely considered female in a specific society. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever. There's nothing to say a biological male can't fulfill female gender roles, but that doesn't change their physical body, or what their physical body "should be", because your physical body has no relevance to your personality or what you can or can't do or think.

Obviously, if someone feels like they are female "gendered" (which is a social construct, i.e is due to them growing up in this society and percieving stereotypes. Take away society and gender means fuck all, it isn't "real" in that aspect), there's nothing wrong with them doing whatever they want to their body to "match" that. But why do they feel that how they think or act is specifically male or female? And why do they feel they need to look a certain way to act a certain way? Why not just be yourself, physically you look like however you look like, and act however you feel like acting. Instead of playing up to outdated gender roles and assuming you need to look physically female to "act female".

Doing things that are considered by some, in a specific society, to be male or female, doesn't make you male or female. Your biology does, and you can't change your biology. You do and act the way you are happy with no concern over how you look. Would a mtf or ftm change their body back if they moved to a hypothetical society with completely different gender roles?

 

[Yves Grey]

for me, (not to be offensive at all nor be judgmental)
i find transgendered and transsexual to be weird to a point i am grossed out.
i do not know why people spend thousands of dollars to change their sex and i don't know it fucking grosses me out.
Not the people just the idea.
For me, i think people should be comfortable in their own skin.
People should just be happy and make the best of what you are born either man or women; you shouldn't get a sex change.
i compare it with parents who want to change the genes of their children before they are born. You know, you could get your kid to be tall, any eye color, and whatever else. i find that wrong because i believe the pre- newborn baby loses his identity. I just find it wrong.
But what do i know? im just a 19 year old. I hope i was respectful to everyone and didn't offend anyone and if i did, i apologize because that was not my intent.

Oh, you offended, buddy. You offended! Now...! Prepare... to die!!!

Just joshin'!

Have you guys ever seen a movie titled TransAmerica? Felicity Huffman was the protagonist alongside some strapping lad. It is pretty good. I doubt the family unit depicted in the film could be considered typical, but I don't think it could be considered uncommon either. And there are always isolated elements or dynamics in the relationships that are perhaps more easy to relate to than the portrayed lives as a whole. I guess my point is that it might touch you unexpectedly in a way that has nothing to do with transgenderism, so I guess I'm trying to get you to watch it. ANYway...

I have known some transgendered folks. The idea never really made sense to me (apart from dictionary / text book definition), because I cannot relate, but it seems feasible enough to me. If I were to have been born a woman or to become a woman, I don't think I'd be any more or less happy than I am now (emphasis on the less). I think it'd be cool to have tits and a twat. (I'd probably never stop playing with them.)

It seems like I don't have anything nutritional to say, so I'll cut to the chase. In a broader sense, I can somewhat understand the desire--or even need--to have one's sex reassigned. For example, once, when I was rough-housing in my youth, I fell on my bed, missed the mattress, and smashed my face on the headboard. Broken nose. It didn't get looked at, and now I have a deviated septum, which is only really (but always) noticeable in photographs. This is something that bothers me almost daily, because it takes away from what has otherwise been proclaimed to be a model's build and physiognomy.

I understand and would certainly agree that transgenderism is a graver condition. My point is at the parallel: that both are issues with self-identity. I know I won't have peace in my own body until I see (can afford) the doctor sometime in the next decade, so I can imagine that others might experience similar conflicts with self.

But, yeah... sex change = not for me. I like my JOYstick too much.

 

[pat grimshaw]

…But, yeah... sex change = not for me. I like my JOYstick too much.

But the loud 't.g.' that I know says 95% of them demand 100% recognition as 't.g's but don't actually go all the way and have the JOYstick removed.

 

[Yves Grey]

But the loud 't.g.' that I know says 95% of them demand 100% recognition as 't.g's but don't actually go all the way and have the JOYstick removed.

Hrm... Boobs on top, balls on the bottom... :

I kid. More like:

I dunno. I can understand that, though. Having my little guy "reconditioned" such that he is never again recognizable as his original self doesn't sound that great to me. I've always identified with him, or felt like I was he and he was I--or a part of, anyway.

I guess the cack 'n balls are easy enough to stash, anyway. I sometimes pull mine between my legs and do my best to make a crease as a joke. I've always wanted to do that and flash traffic... but I'm too much of a prude.

ANYway, if I had a sex change, I would imagine it might be difficult to have a relationship with a straight male, which might leave me with folks who were particularly compassionate or empathetic toward transgenderism, or who found it attractive or arousing. Why give up my dick if not to net a man who doesn't find another man attractive (unless to feel comfortable with myself, which is arguably infinitely more important). But that's just a personal standpoint.

Still, "chick with dick" is an interesting concept--and, I'm sure, a reality.

 

[jizzinmypants]

Are you a Christian or something?

Respect is out.

Kanye don't respect.

Chris Brown don't respect.

Respect is something old people do!

LOL I hear that

 

[jizzinmypants]

I think the whole transgendered thing is a little weird but whatever its all good. What really annoyed me though was when oprah had the "pregnant man" on her show. When they called that thing a man that really pushed my buttons. Taken testosterone and cutting off your tits doesn't make you a man sorry.