Does Sean Cody take advatage of their models?

[basketcase]

Does anyone else feel a little uncomfortable watching a Sean Cody video? I've always notice that Sean Cody will debut a model one week and have him PAINFULLY bottoming the next with no sense on enjoyment. Usually, on most other sites like Chaos Men, the models start off with a solo, a few top-only duos and THEN bottom once they're comfortable being on camera. However, I've always felt like Sean Cody doesn't care too much about their models, so you have them going from a solo into full bottoming and you can tell by the pain on the models' faces that they are just doing it for the money. I know that most adult models are only in it for the money, but shouldn't they enjoy it just a little? It seems like Sean Cody pays really naive hot jocks thousands of dollars ('cause these guys don't look like they come cheap) to degrade themselves for gay men's eyes.

 

[studybuddy]

Can you give some examples of videos where you think this is the case? I just watched "Allen & Nolan" and Allen seemed to be enjoying the experience a whole lot.

 

[introv3rt]

I haven't really gotten this impression and can't think of any videos of the top of my head where people look like they're in genuine pain and would rather not be there – I've mostly figured the guys who do more than a solo are the ones who want to or are willing to because they think it's worth the money. Cause if not, a whole lot more of the solos would come back, I would assume. Right now, they have a lot of solos, but only a handful of those do come back to either bottom or top. And sure, there are people who come back for one post-solo video and then never again, and there could be a million different reasons why – we'll never know.

Of course, one could argue that any kind of pornography where the people participating "need" the money and wouldn't have been doing what they're doing if they're not getting paid, is taking advantage of a weaker party. But that's a whole different subject, and not something I plan on getting into.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

We also don't necessarily see the videos in the order they were shot either. On more than one occasion the opening "chit chat" about who has done what in a previous shoot doesn't jibe with the order in which we are seeing the videos.

I mean its true that, to a certain extent, the porn producer who pays a model once for a sex scene in which the producer alone then owns the right to make revenue on the images for eternity is taking advantage in some sense, but that's the nature of the business. I don't see signs of any coercion, though.

 

[slnattak]

Yes, they do take advantage - and from what I hear from other real gay guys they are homophobic.

I don't really like the movies. My favorite company is titan videos, because the guys just have more intimacy or something. You can tell they are really gay, and so it has more sensuality when they kiss.

The only Sean Cody movie I liked was one with a kid named Trevor or something (like YEARS ago) and you could see his asshole, man that kid had a nice ass. But most models are clearly uncomfortable, narcissistic looking, and they lack passion. So they don't really get me off, as they tend to be quite disappointing, with very few exceptions.

If you want a porn company that tends to treat gay guys more humanely and well-rounded, well, go for the ones that are actually owned by gay guys not conflicted self-loathers....but you won't find any gay guy that's perfect, as we all grew up in the same homophobic and heterosexist culture, just like everybody else- it's "everybody's issue" and acting too morally self-righteous about it, is bound to turn people off.

I mean just look at it this way: Would yourself get turned on more if I said 'suck my straight cock, fag' or 'We're both gay guys here. So suck me' 99% of gay guys still get much more turned on by the former then the latter, no matter how much political correctness we have. So you really simply have to be the change you want to see in the world.

But for the people defending Sean Cody just cause you think it's hot, I just think you're being shallow. Okay we get that you're gay and they're hot hunks, but sometimes it's wise to think with our other head, fellas! =p

It's overrated and jocks aren't all THAT hot, and I don't know- it just doesn't really appeal to me all that much anymore. Fruity faggots actually turn me on more , especially when they have 'bitchy attitudes' and then they're subdued.

 

[introv3rt]

I'm totally not defending SC just because I think (some of) their models or videos are hot, I just don't see the OP's point with them being particularly worse than other porn sites when it comes to "taking advantage" of models by paying them lots of money to do something they wouldn't want to do naturally without being paid. Your post is more about what's hot or not than any of the previous posts have been.

The gay/straight models issue is an entirely different one, imo. I know there has been cases with people claiming they're homophobic and that they treat the gay models differently, but that's not the OP's issue.

(I also happen to have only one head.)

 

[PhunkSpunk]

Rylan, who was very out, seemed to have a very positive experience with the company. They seem to like Curtis well enough, an avowed bisexual bottom ("I like the way it feels!") There was one guy, way, way back when I was in college, Garrett, who was gorgeous and gay.

 

[introv3rt]

Yep, Rylan's interview left a positive impression of the company.

I'm kind of leaning towards thinking that the negative experiences may come from clashing personalities instead of having anything to do with the sexual orientation of the guys. However, I won't deny that they've been weirdly focused on straightness in some interviews and aren't quick to label models as gay, and I suppose that can come across as self-loathing. But take Pete, he admitted in a BTS video that he was gay, and they didn't seem to have a problem with posting that even though he was initially presented as straight.

 

[basketcase]

Think of it this way: Many of Sean Cody's models are straight and have no previous gay experience (or so they claim). What I've noticed is that a lot of times the models will do a solo to start and then next week, they're bottoming. That might not sound bad on paper, but remember how painful your first time bottoming was? Many of these scenes take 6-8 hours to shoot, so imagine being fucked for several HOURS and it's your FIRST time -- and they're often being fucked by a well-hung dick. I mean, their asses must be sore for days afterwards. What irritates me about Sean Cody is that their models often go straight from a solo scene to a bottoming scene and a lot of time it seems as if these guys really underestimated just how painful anal sex could be. Also, these guys seem to fuck really really hard! I just wish Sean Cody would be more gentle with them -- maybe have them only do oral for a few scenes, then topping, then a bottom scene. But Sean Cody seems too impatient for that.

 

[JCMedia]

Not to try to get too involved here but you do realize that those scenes are all shot over a period of 3-4 days for both sites, right?

And that they both have a formula including making it look/sound like the bottom is in a bit of pain at the start and then by the end is enjoying it?

They don't shoot those scenes weeks apart, they just release them weeks apart.

 

[introv3rt]

But how many of those models are actually straight or have never had anything up their ass before? They obviously think it's worth the money to at least give it a shot. I'm sure they prep beforehand with plugs and stuff.

I'm also not sure how doing oral or topping before bottoming would make the bottoming experience less painful anyways. Sure, it would familiarize them with gay sex and provide a better "introduction", but that's about it. The first time you bottom is going to hurt either way. And many of the models are probably eager to do stuff to get money quickly, too. They know they're signing up for gay porn, and many claim that bottoming is easier than topping because it doesn't require that they stay hard, so they choose it. And like JCMedia says, they often shoot several videos over a short span of time, because models have to be flown in and so on, so it's not like it would be a super gentle and drawn out introduction anyways.

 

[CowboyBob]

All companies make use of their workers, whether you work at Wal*Mart or Sean Cody They pay you cash, and you do what they tell you to do. If these guys didn't want the big cash Sean Cody pays, they would be stocking overnight at Wal*Mart.

Sean Cody has some of the most attractive models on the internet, and I'm sure they pay them handsomely for what they do. No one would do anything against their own beliefs, and a supposedly straight man bottoming for the first time isn't doing it against his will. They asked and he accepted.

Do these young men realize when they're allowing themselves to be filmed performing sex, that those videos will be out there forever. Somewhere 10, 50, 100 years from now someone will be watching them take another guy's dick up their ass. I've read about several models regret doing this for some fast cash when they were hard up.

 

[justdra]

Unless they are at gunpoint, I don't see anyone as being forced. They actors are doing it money and some like the attention. I think a lot of those are shot over time, they are not released as they are shot, some hold them off over time. The boy that did BB for one site done all his scenes late last year and they are being relased slowly even now. IF some of them can't take being a bottom, again it something they are doing of their own free will. Again, they can call themselves straight and I will give a one timer that, but if you become a regular and have sex with men, IMO you are at least Bi. The straight aspect is just a selling point, or a fetish, like the military sites. I'm sure some been in the military but I'm sure a lot of them have been long out of it. As long as I find the models attractive, I don' care if they are gay or str8, if they do their job and produce a hot scene, that's enough for me. Its PORN, its all a fantasy.

 

[introv3rt]

Do these young men realize when they're allowing themselves to be filmed performing sex, that those videos will be out there forever. Somewhere 10, 50, 100 years from now someone will be watching them take another guy's dick up their ass. I've read about several models regret doing this for some fast cash when they were hard up.

Yeah, this is what I was getting at earlier. But this goes for a lot of pornography – basically everyone who isn't in it for the long haul. The companies may "take advantage" of the fact that people might be in a situation where they feel like doing porn is a good idea and won't hurt them in the long run, and in need of the money – while knowing that these people might regret it later on in life. But that certainly isn't something only related to Sean Cody – it's basically a potential issue for the whole amateur porn industry.

 

[fbhwes]

Does anyone else feel a little uncomfortable watching a Sean Cody video? I've always notice that Sean Cody will debut a model one week and have him PAINFULLY bottoming the next with no sense on enjoyment. Usually, on most other sites like Chaosmen, the models start off with a solo, a few top-only duos and THEN bottom once they're comfortable being on camera. However, I've always felt like Sean Cody doesn't care too much about their models, so you have them going from a solo into full bottoming and you can tell by the pain on the models' faces that they are just doing it for the money. I know that most adult models are only in it for the money, but shouldn't they enjoy it just a little? It seems like Sean Cody pays really naive hot jocks thousands of dollars ('cause these guys don't look like they come cheap) to degrade themselves for gay men's eyes.

I have watched many Sean Cody videos and have never picked up on what your describing. I would think that everything the model is ever going to do or be expected to do is discussed in detail before anything is ever agreed to or done. (i know that's what i'd want.) I know money talks but let's be realistic. It does bring up a good question though do these young men have any kind of representation (is it necessary?) to help negotiate these contracts (if one's involved) how does that even play out? Does anybody know ?.....Are there like ....Agents or whatever ?

 

[justdra]

Yeah, this is what I was getting at earlier. But this goes for a lot of pornography – basically everyone who isn't in it for the long haul. The companies may "take advantage" of the fact that people might be in a situation where they feel like doing porn is a good idea and won't hurt them in the long run, and in need of the money – while knowing that these people might regret it later on in life. But that certainly isn't something only related to Sean Cody – it's basically a potential issue for the whole amateur porn industry.

If these were different times, then maybe I could see your point. These models are coming up during the age of the internet where I at least hope, they have sense enough to realize once it filmed, it is pretty much out there for life. I'm sure most of them are not in it for the long haul and again, common sense should kick in and make them think twice about if its something they want to do. If you planning on getting married and having kids and have a professional career, then you have some decisions to make. Not that I"m certain, but I would say most of these guys do it for fun money, they are not about to lose a house or a car, they are doing it to party harder or buy a fancy ride and yes some may be doing it for college. I just doubt any are in dire straits because i think there is a lot of ways for cash before you do porn. Stripping comes to mind and its usually not recorded and you can go a big city and make good money, just have to keep your head and not blow it or get hooked on drugs, etc.

 

[cyravance]

Yes, the porn industry is a business, and has to make money, but I think that some of the people in it are able to take advantage to an extent because society doesn't take this business seriously. The performers (models) are looked down on, thought of as slutty, trashy, and therefore no one gets too upset if they get ripped-off, abused, lied to, or have no health insurance in a business where disease transmission is so easy. Any business that is forced to exist on the fringes is going to attract some slimy characters, and wounded souls.

 

[introv3rt]

If these were different times, then maybe I could see your point. These models are coming up during the age of the internet where I at least hope, they have sense enough to realize once it filmed, it is pretty much out there for life. I'm sure most of them are not in it for the long haul and again, common sense should kick in and make them think twice about if its something they want to do. If you planning on getting married and having kids and have a professional career, then you have some decisions to make. Not that I"m certain, but I would say most of these guys do it for fun money, they are not about to lose a house or a car, they are doing it to party harder or buy a fancy ride and yes some may be doing it for college. I just doubt any are in dire straits because i think there is a lot of ways for cash before you do porn. Stripping comes to mind and its usually not recorded and you can go a big city and make good money, just have to keep your head and not blow it or get hooked on drugs, etc.

Yeah, sorry. In my previous post I wrote "need", because that's really what I think the case is for a lot of them. Of course, they need money to live, but there are several other ways of making money, and they chose a way that seems like a quick and "easy" way, and certainly not boring. For many it's probably an extra income in tough times financially (college, low-paying job, etc.), though.

I'm not saying I necessarily always think the porn companies are taking advantage of amateur models, but I can see why someone would raise the point. Because as much as they're "adult" people who have other options, the (often young, inexperienced, not the brightest crayon in the box) performer is the "weaker" party, not the company itself. Just like an employee with poor benefits can be seen as being taken advantage of by any other non-porn company. But that's not really the OP's point, and I don't think SC is taking advantage of their models in the manner the OP suggets.

 

[justdra]

I agree. I"m sure there are some who get taken advantage but I just think of the industry as a whole as preying on people. I don't think anyone is forcing a guy to take a dick if he is serious pain. I doubt any of them would let themselves be raped (thats what is is) unless it was at gunpoint and I haven't ever heard of anything like that. Also, when do the actual "people" have to take responsibilty. Granted if you are not getting any benefits, you can say no and another face will take your place but if that is what you feel you need to stand for, then you will not work for them. I don't think of performers as lowlifes, besides what would that make me as a person who gets pleasure watching them, lol. They are in a business with a high turnnover rate and I say again, if this was back before the internet came along, a person could do porn away from home and not worrying about it coming back to haunt him. I also have been curious as to how these guys wonder up on these gay sites and find work. I know some are recruited by guys who work for porn companies but a lot of them are on the internet and send in their photos of their own free will.

 

[cyravance]

I may be in the minority here, but to me a phrase like "18 year old adults" is a kind of oxymoron, like "military intelligence", or "jumbo shrimp"...
The part of a person's brain that controls impulsive behaviors isn't even fully formed until into one's 20's, which in some cases is long AFTER a twink's career has ended. So, these guys are making this decision, which IS life-altering, at a time when they really could benefit from a little mature guidance. But what they get is recruited.
Something to consider...At 18, we don't think a guy is mature enough to order a beer in many places. But we DO allow him to go to war, and make porn. What does this say about us?