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DOJ appeals for immediate stay

I agree.

We have no friends anywhere. Both Republicans and Democrats hate us, and will do everything in their power to deny us rights.

We are the children of a lesser god.
 
After looking through all the comments on that article I'm glad to see numerous gays jumping from the Obama ship. He lied to all of you who voted for him. He manipulated us. He just turned out to be another politician pandering for votes.

Because the majority of gay American voted for this asshole - myself included. Won't be making that mistake again, you can count on that. Of course, if this was back in the day as were debating about letting African-Americans under his administration, this would be on a non-issue for Obama. he could issue a stop loss order, he hasn't - and he hasn't said if he believes DADT is unconstitutional either.

- Chris from Chicago
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If I could take back my vote for Obama I would. Obama has proven to be as two-faced as the rest. One would think that as a black man he would be able to identify with discrimination. It just goes to show people don't necessarily want equality. They just don't want to be the one on the bottom. How disappointing!

- Mike from Phoenix
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Our "fiercest advocate" is our most reliable enemy. I can't wait to vote this lying sack of shit out of office in 24 months. We were duped -- big time.

- Daniel from NYC
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^ Agreed. The only thing worse than Democrats are Republicans.
 
What I don't understand is how Obama could blatantly lie to us? Unless this is some kind of tactic which I doubt it is! Idk
 
BearDaddy said:
we knew this was coming

DOJ customarily defends current Law with appeals
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exactly

it is the duty of the president to uphold the laws as congress wrote them. i read reagan defended something of carters that went against his base but i cant find it now.

do any of the legals here know what that one was?
 
BearDaddy said:
we knew this was coming

DOJ customarily defends current Law with appeals
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Cheer up kids.

It is as though DOJ has much choice. In many ways, their work is about the process of law, not politics.

Although, that being said, it just slays me that any homo in the US would think that except for lip service, they are going to see any support by lawmakers except through the courts.

Particularly right now.
 
rareboy said:
Cheer up kids.

It is as though DOJ has much choice. In many ways, their work is about the process of law, not politics.

Although, that being said, it just slays me that any homo in the US would think that except for lip service, they are going to see any support by lawmakers except through the courts.

Particularly right now.
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obama wants it fought out in both places.

I think it will be dead by the time his presidency ends. lets not forget that he is creating the environment where the policy is questioned and challenged.
 
They are in a very bizarre position, frankly of their own making," said CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin.
In court documents filed in San Francisco, California, the administration argued that don't ask, don't tell should remain intact for now.
The administration argued that changing it abruptly "risks causing significant immediate harm to the military and its efforts to be prepared to implement an orderly repeal of the statute."
Toobin said the administration would like Congress to deal with the issue on a political level and doesn't want the courts to take it on unilaterally.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/20/dont.ask.dont.tell/index.html\

so they are just doing things in a slow and permanent way, I guess.
 
This comes down the latest frenzy of 'legislating from the bench.' From Prop 8 to campaign donations to DODT.

TBH, I would be more surprised if they didn't stay the ruling.
 
BostonPirate said:
I think it will be dead by the time his presidency ends. lets not forget that he is creating the environment where the policy is questioned and challenged.
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Indeed the district judge even cited his opposition in her ruling that the policy was unconstitutional.

It is unfortunate that the DOJ appealed but the DOJ is supposed to be quasi-independent of the administration anyway.
 
This is the exact atmosphere that created DADT in the first place. It was all this mealy mouthed, politi-speak, that the policy was created in.

Don't fool yourselves, the ONLY friend we have with power is the justice/court branch. Remember the courts are an EQUAL branch of government.

Obama blathering on about how the policy "will end under his watch" give me ZERO confidence. He blathered the same shit about healthcare. What did we get instead? A deeply flawed bill that is better than nothing, but nowhere near what could have been done. Every time I hear Obama say this, it makes me want to puke.
 
T-Rexx said:
I agree.

We have no friends anywhere. Both Republicans and Democrats hate us, and will do everything in their power to deny us rights.

We are the children of a lesser god.
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No.

I read Obama's explanation. Well, a law school professor that shares the same ideology as President Obama with respect to the president's role in law making. Both believe the POTUS is NOT supposed to be the main player in scrapping laws, but instead Congress.

Obama, I might add, was critical of President Bush's eagerness to interfere in the Executive branch. So, Obama would be seen as a hypocrite if he was to do the same here with DADT. Sucks, I know, but he's been very clear that DADT will be history under his watch.
 
Here's a recap on the entire issue and the multiple Obamatard had to be more kind or supportive of gay people. Instead he chose the EXACT same course Bushfuck would have chosen.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/19/...don-t-ask-don-t-tell-legitimate.html?from=rss

I'll say it again, I'm voting this election cycle for Dems & Obama to give them one, last, final, push to get things done. If 2012 comes and it's much like today I'll be voting and supporting Green Party, or Modern Whig Party and most certainly a challenger to Obama. I'd love to see Hillary or Howard Dean run against him if he doesn't shape up.
 
Obama and the DOJ could have let the ruling stand.
Gays in the military would have been happy.
Republicans would not have been able to blame Obama for overturning DADT.
Win, Win situation for the President.

Appealing the Ruling ?
A loss of faith and support for Democrats.

In my opinion, I do not think Congress will overturn DADT.
 
This is the same district court that says it's fine for officers to plant GPS devices on anyone's car sitting in a driveway. I am not surprised about this at all.

And seriously, what does Obama have to do with this? In fact, what can Obama do in any part of either effort to repeal DADT? The courts are fighting it from the judicial branch of government. Congress is fighting it from the legislative branch. All Obama can really do is an executive order, which he cannot do due to the nature of the policy. What else can he do besides make speeches that neither the judges nor congress really cares about.
 
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