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[Don't Laugh] Rumsfield: "Libyan war worrisome"

I trust nothing that comes from the lips of Rumsfield.
 
Rumsfeld's definition of "clarity" for a mission is to cut off planning after some specific territory has been taken, and leave the troops hanging for years trying to clean up the mess his "clarity" caused.
 
IMO Rumsfield and the rest of his cronies do nothing but give out half truths
or no truth at all .
I read in one of our UK dailys that he is up there as one of the most hated
men in the USA . **wars**
 
IMO Rumsfield and the rest of his cronies do nothing but give out half truths
or no truth at all .
I read in one of our UK dailys that he is up there as one of the most hated
men in the USA . **wars**

Golly gee! Leapin' lizards! Also probably one of the worst Secretaries of Defense in history. I saw his "best selling" book at my local library. I asked them if it would be filed under fiction or non-fiction. :badgrin:
 
How fucking cynical and disingenuous can they be.

Oh wait.
 
I don't think theres much to say.

Considering the source its just idiotic. It shows Rumsfield still hasn't a clue as to what he has done to the nation.
 
Sorry RUmsfield,you have no room to say anything after the mess you help us get involved in.
 
... so in other words

Obama makes war - it's good

Rumsfield makes war - it's bad
 
Today's Republicans (aka... wingnuts) are always for something until they find out Obama is for it, then they are against it. Likewise, they are always against something until they find out Obama too is against it.... then they are for it. Republicans today are nothing but blind partisans. Period. End of story.

Once upon a time, just a couple of decades ago Republicans could and would work with Democrats. Now, they refuse to do anything that might garner the country a win, simply because it would also help a Democrat. Every single one of them needs to be deported to North Korea.
 
Those Bush's men haven't gone on trail yet about Iraq war ...
 
... so in other words

Obama makes war - it's good

Rumsfield makes war - it's bad

Basically, yes.

Obama is a chess player in a town full of checker players... Or haven't you figured that out yet ?

He doesn't make decisions based on Christian based dogma and he doesn't go in guns blazing with his dick leading the way.
 
The entire Bush administration was wrong on Iraq---strategically. Took away from Afghanistan. Rummy was just the dummy thrown from the lap to the floor. Libya is somewhere between Afghanistan and Iraq (not geographically, of course). How important is Libya to the US directly? Perhaps not very. How important is Libya to Britain and France? And to the Middle East states we want to get/remain cozy with? Apparently very. Libya is then likely important for what that country (minus Kaddaffy duck) might gain in future relations. Not saying good things are automatic. But possible. How did the invasion/occupation/smoke screen diversion of Iraq help us internationally? Not much. And Iraq made Afghanistan worse. By far.
 
I don't think theres much to say.

Considering the source its just idiotic. It shows Rumsfield still hasn't a clue as to what he has done to the nation.

Rumsfeld refuses to admit that shutting down the wargaming of the Afghanistan and Iraq operations the moment the "enemy" was "defeated" was an error. The issue was raised at the time, and the officers who did were told to shut up or get canned. Powell made the point, and that was his exit signal.

Every gaming of those situations that was unofficially done showed that more troops were needed to avoid quagmires. They also showed that serious infrastructure and humanitarian aid would have helped immensely, especially if it were in the form of cash given to local leadership to spend as they pleased on domestic projects.

Rumsfeld didn't want to hear it. To him, once the Taliban was gone, Afghanistan was a success; once Baghdad had fallen, Iraq was golden.

Moron. Traitorous moron.

... so in other words

Obama makes war - it's good

Rumsfield makes war - it's bad

Well, Obama listens to the generals; Rumsfeld listened to Rumsfeld, and maybe to Cheney. Obama asks what consequences will be down the line, Rumsfeld lives in a fantasy land where when the hero knocks down the "bad guy", they all live happily ever after. Obama looks ahead, Rumsfeld canned people for trying to.

Sharp comparison: Rumsfeld was cheerleader for invading a country that hadn't done a thing to us, when no one wanted us there. Obama somewhat reluctantly moved to assist people engaged in taking charge of their own lives, with the proviso that we will not be putting "boots on the ground".


So -- yeah: Obama makes war, it's good; Rumsfeld makes war, be prepared to have problems for years.
 
Rumsfeld refuses to admit that shutting down the wargaming of the Afghanistan and Iraq operations the moment the "enemy" was "defeated" was an error. The issue was raised at the time, and the officers who did were told to shut up or get canned. Powell made the point, and that was his exit signal.

Every gaming of those situations that was unofficially done showed that more troops were needed to avoid quagmires. They also showed that serious infrastructure and humanitarian aid would have helped immensely, especially if it were in the form of cash given to local leadership to spend as they pleased on domestic projects.

Rumsfeld didn't want to hear it. To him, once the Taliban was gone, Afghanistan was a success; once Baghdad had fallen, Iraq was golden.

Moron. Traitorous moron.



Well, Obama listens to the generals; Rumsfeld listened to Rumsfeld, and maybe to Cheney. Obama asks what consequences will be down the line, Rumsfeld lives in a fantasy land where when the hero knocks down the "bad guy", they all live happily ever after. Obama looks ahead, Rumsfeld canned people for trying to.

Sharp comparison: Rumsfeld was cheerleader for invading a country that hadn't done a thing to us, when no one wanted us there. Obama somewhat reluctantly moved to assist people engaged in taking charge of their own lives, with the proviso that we will not be putting "boots on the ground".


So -- yeah: Obama makes war, it's good; Rumsfeld makes war, be prepared to have problems for years.

Kuli - from the articles that I've read, the military did not support the attack on Libya. It was promoted by Samatha Powers and Hillary Clinton.
 
Kuli - from the articles that I've read, the military did not support the attack on Libya. It was promoted by Samatha Powers and Hillary Clinton.

Can you provide those articles, please?

It seems that your point has been proven wrong. This is not the first time you ve made this assertion and you NEVER back it up even when you are proven wrong.
 
Today's Republicans (aka... wingnuts) are always for something until they find out Obama is for it, then they are against it. Likewise, they are always against something until they find out Obama too is against it.... then they are for it. Republicans today are nothing but blind partisans. Period. End of story.

Once upon a time, just a couple of decades ago Republicans could and would work with Democrats. Now, they refuse to do anything that might garner the country a win, simply because it would also help a Democrat. Every single one of them needs to be deported to North Korea.

Dude, you have blinders on. The democrat party is not the same party it used to be either. John Kennedy, even Lyndon Johnson would not recognize the party today.

Democrats refused to work with the republicans in 2009 and 2010.

Democrats did not even pass a budget in 2010 for 2011 -- they were afraid to go thru the election having passed the largest, most deficit laden budget in US history.

Even now, most dem's in congress don't accept that the US is in deep financial trouble.
 
Springer:

... so in other words

Obama makes war - it's good

Rumsfield makes war - it's bad

Right back at ya buddy.

If BushCo. was apparently right for all you conservatives when he embarked on a trumped up invasion of Iraq, then for the love of Christ, it must be okay when the US responds to a UN sponsored action to prevent the slaughter of Libyans by a mad dictator.

Okay?

So all of the partisan republicans who trumpeted and defended HalliburtonBushCo's cause for 5 years in Iraq, please shut the fuck up.
 
Can you provide those articles, please?

It seems that your point has been proven wrong. This is not the first time you ve made this assertion and you NEVER back it up even when you are proven wrong.


There likely are no articles.

It was probably one of the Murdoch/Koch handpuppets at FOX who said that the articles they'd read said this and all the slack-jawed viewers immediately rushed to their computers to claim this on the forums they frequent.
 
Also without links -- the articles I've read showed mixed feelings from the military, basically divided on service lines: people who go in on the ground said "No way!" (Obama listened, it seems), the Air Force was like, "Whatever", and the Navy was more "What the heck -- why not?" If nothing else, naval aviators have required flight times, and they may as well put them ion doing something that can be considered a live exercise.
 
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