[Don't Laugh] Rumsfield: "Libyan war worrisome"

[Lostlover]

^^^ Screw the military. This isn't Pakistan. They don't engineer our foreign policy.

I'm tired of the military assholes. They've had a bad last couple of years. Abu Ghraib. Raping, killing and incinerating the bodies of Iraqi girls. Now, I'm hearing some asshole posed with dead Afghans. This shows how little our soldiers think of Afghans, like they're some prop. And then I heard one of our planes had engine troubles over Libya. Where's the professionalism?

 

[Lostlover]

And considering how little patience conservatives have for the post office, when will they call for the abolition of the military? The post office doesn't have a track record nearly as reprehensible as the military.

Thanks for the read.

What about this one. "Our" troops kill British hostage with a wayward grenade in a botched rescue attempt.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/09/british-aid-worker-afghanistan-nato?cat=world&type=article

 

[Kulindahr]

^^^ Screw the military. This isn't Pakistan. They don't engineer our foreign policy.

I'm tired of the military assholes. They've had a bad last couple of years. Abu Ghraib. Raping, killing and incinerating the bodies of Iraqi girls. Now, I'm hearing some asshole posed with dead Afghans. This shows how little our soldiers think of Afghans, like they're some prop. And then I heard one of our planes had engine troubles over Libya. Where's the professionalism?

So you'd rather have politicians make military decisions without consulting the military? What happens then, we know in one word: Vietnam.

Professionalism got screwed up by politicians deciding to keep soldiers in a stressful situation for longer tours of duty than in the history of the U.S.

Engine problems? One reason this action is a good thing is that practicing in live action situations is a lot different than mere training exercises. I hope we don't keep our pilots burning hard for weeks, but ten days to two weeks would make for fine critique and learning.

 

[Kulindahr]

Professionalism? After what was done to Iraq by the US when we were expected to be greeted with rose petals as liberators that our troops would be perplexed by being greeted with hugs and juice: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/22/libya-downed-airmen-rescue

The Libyans put us to shame: they got shot up by friends, and not only forgive, but are thankful for us being there!

And considering how little patience conservatives have for the post office, when will they call for the abolition of the military? The post office doesn't have a track record nearly as reprehensible as the military.

Thanks for the read.

What about this one. "Our" troops kill British hostage with a wayward grenade in a botched rescue attempt.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/09/british-aid-worker-afghanistan-nato?cat=world&type=article

Local source says the captors killed her, "an intelligence source" speculates it was a U.S. grenade. I can think of motives for lying, for both, and motives for telling the truth.
Hard call.

 

[nurseboy269]

Today's Republicans (aka... wingnuts) are always for something until they find out Obama is for it, then they are against it. Likewise, they are always against something until they find out Obama too is against it.... then they are for it. Republicans today are nothing but blind partisans. Period. End of story.

Once upon a time, just a couple of decades ago Republicans could and would work with Democrats. Now, they refuse to do anything that might garner the country a win, simply because it would also help a Democrat. Every single one of them needs to be deported to North Korea.

I'm almost offended...not all Republicans are radical right wingers, much as not all Democrats are liberal nuts. Rest assured, both sides have their "winners". I am Republican...moderate, but Republican. I have my views, and I stand by them. I could care less who shares or disagrees with them, and certainly wouldn't change them based on what others think.

I think that it is interesting how some people are making claims that Republicans are not willing to work across the line, seeming to forget the attitude of entitlement the Democratic leadership possessed after the 2008 election....
"we won, we have the votes, we don't need you....get over it."

Like it or not, America needs to, from time to time, step in with military action to fend the basic human rights of others. Presidents from both sides have had to deal with it. The first Bush in Iraq, Clinton in Bosnia, the second Bush in Iraq, and now Obama in Libya. Iraq had in the past attempted to gain WMD and biochemical weapons, so rather or not they were there (or rather or not we were able to find them) is less relevant to me...we needed to be there.

The president has to make decisions based on recommendations from his advisors...he couldn't be all knowing about everything on his own. It was unfortunate that Bush's advisors were not completely correct...I'll give that fault. It is also unfortunate that Obama was so anti-Bush because of military action, and is now finding out that, at times, it is necessary.

But, really back to the main point....all war is worrisome, even if necessary, as well as unfortunate. Rumsfield should ask himself, "am I the pot, or am I the kettle?"

It is times like this that I miss WASP's commentary in the political forum...he had a rather unique insight in these things...rather aggravating to respond to at times, but he always made you think.

 

[Kulindahr]

But, really back to the main point....all war is worrisome, even if necessary, as well as unfortunate. Rumsfield should ask himself, "am I the pot, or am I the kettle?"

Rumsfeld is an insult to the color black.

 

[BostonPirate]

I'm almost offended...not all Republicans are radical right wingers, much as not all Democrats are liberal nuts. Rest assured, both sides have their "winners". I am Republican...moderate, but Republican. I have my views, and I stand by them. I could care less who shares or disagrees with them, and certainly wouldn't change them based on what others think.

I think that it is interesting how some people are making claims that Republicans are not willing to work across the line, seeming to forget the attitude of entitlement the Democratic leadership possessed after the 2008 election....
"we won, we have the votes, we don't need you....get over it."

Like it or not, America needs to, from time to time, step in with military action to fend the basic human rights of others. Presidents from both sides have had to deal with it. The first Bush in Iraq, Clinton in Bosnia, the second Bush in Iraq, and now Obama in Libya. Iraq had in the past attempted to gain WMD and biochemical weapons, so rather or not they were there (or rather or not we were able to find them) is less relevant to me...we needed to be there.

The president has to make decisions based on recommendations from his advisors...he couldn't be all knowing about everything on his own. It was unfortunate that Bush's advisors were not completely correct...I'll give that fault. It is also unfortunate that Obama was so anti-Bush because of military action, and is now finding out that, at times, it is necessary.

But, really back to the main point....all war is worrisome, even if necessary, as well as unfortunate. Rumsfield should ask himself, "am I the pot, or am I the kettle?"

It is times like this that I miss WASP's commentary in the political forum...he had a rather unique insight in these things...rather aggravating to respond to at times, but he always made you think.

of course that conveniently leaves out the 18months of debate and 61 republican ammentments to the healthcare bill that not one of them signed onto. It ignores the fact that there was a bipartisan ccommision that wrote the legislation in the first place, and it ignores the fact that there were an obscene and record ammount of of filibusters during the last two years prior to Boner taking over. Its interesting to also note, that the Boner house of reps has even LESS legislation passing than that.

They can't even fucking count their own votes before they call a bill to the floor for consideration. Boner just assumes that people in his party will vote as he tells them to.

I guess he should have checked in with those teabaggger candidates a bit. They seem unimpressed with his assumptions.

The republican party is a house divided, and it WILL fall.

No one is going for your BS, dude.

 

[Joshua_me]

Rumsfeld is an insult to the color black.

There's more than one way to take that comment.

But your point is understood.

 

[nurseboy269]

No one is going for your BS, dude.

Amusing...

I think it is sad that when some people get upset about things, their first respond is to spew crap and such...

The problem with this country is not the Republicans alone, nor is it solely the Democrates, it is the failure of government as a whole...if YOU are not happy with it, then YOU should do something about it, not fail at throwing insults in my direction...frankly, I could care less if your thought what I said was BS...you have the right to your opinion, but your actual opinion couldn't mean less to me.

 

[BostonPirate]

Amusing...

I think it is sad that when some people get upset about things, their first respond is to spew crap and such...

The problem with this country is not the Republicans alone, nor is it solely the Democrates, it is the failure of government as a whole...if YOU are not happy with it, then YOU should do something about it, not fail at throwing insults in my direction...frankly, I could care less if your thought what I said was BS...you have the right to your opinion, but your actual opinion couldn't mean less to me.

of course you ignored what I wrote above that and decided it was easy to go emotional

let me repost the rest for you....

of course that conveniently leaves out the 18months of debate and 61 republican ammentments to the healthcare bill that not one of them signed onto. It ignores the fact that there was a bipartisan ccommision that wrote the legislation in the first place, and it ignores the fact that there were an obscene and record ammount of of filibusters during the last two years prior to Boner taking over. Its interesting to also note, that the Boner house of reps has even LESS legislation passing than that.

They can't even fucking count their own votes before they call a bill to the floor for consideration. Boner just assumes that people in his party will vote as he tells them to.

I guess he should have checked in with those teabaggger candidates a bit. They seem unimpressed with his assumptions.

The republican party is a house divided, and it WILL fall.

 

[laikaNYC]

Amusing...

I think it is sad that when some people get upset about things, their first respond is to spew crap and such...

The problem with this country is not the Republicans alone, nor is it solely the Democrates, it is the failure of government as a whole...if YOU are not happy with it, then YOU should do something about it, not fail at throwing insults in my direction...frankly, I could care less if your thought what I said was BS...you have the right to your opinion, but your actual opinion couldn't mean less to me.

You can't expect to talk sense into partisan ideologues.

 

[nurseboy269]

of course you ignored what I wrote above that and decided it was easy to go emotional

let me repost the rest for you....

The quote I reference was all I chose to address, yes, I was not wanting to get into the finger pointing game, and guess I was under the false assumption this thread was about war...not healthcare...I think we have hijacked it enough, wouldn't you think?

 

[BostonPirate]

The quote I reference was all I chose to address, yes, I was not wanting to get into the finger pointing game, and guess I was under the false assumption this thread was about war...not healthcare...I think we have hijacked it enough, wouldn't you think?

you brought it up....

I think that it is interesting how some people are making claims that Republicans are not willing to work across the line, seeming to forget the attitude of entitlement the Democratic leadership possessed after the 2008 election....
"we won, we have the votes, we don't need you....get over it."

what were you reffering to if not the the healthcare debate? naming post offices?

 

[nurseboy269]

naming post offices?

They do all deserve a name you know

 

[Joshua_me]

You can't expect to talk sense into partisan ideologues.

You remind us of that most everyday, hun....

 

[Kulindahr]

The problem with this country is not the Republicans alone, nor is it solely the Democrates, it is the failure of government as a whole...if YOU are not happy with it, then YOU should do something about it, not fail at throwing insults in my direction...frankly, I could care less if your thought what I said was BS...you have the right to your opinion, but your actual opinion couldn't mean less to me.

The problem is a two-party system that doesn't actually allow the voters to choose change. We have the equivalent of a choice between diarrhea and constipation, with no way out.

 

[nurseboy269]

The problem is a two-party system that doesn't actually allow the voters to choose change. We have the equivalent of a choice between diarrhea and constipation, with no way out.

Agreed...and until we figure out how to stop money from buying votes...it looks like we will constantly be taking Immodium and Dulcolax.

 

[Kulindahr]

Agreed...and until we figure out how to stop money from buying votes...it looks like we will constantly be taking Immodium and Dulcolax.

Impossible. But we can pass a constitutional amendment that defines "person", with regard to political rights, as a citizen or legal resident with a date of birth, and that rights related to the political process belong to such persons, and to no other entities. That would get even indirect corporate money out of politics; they would no longer have political free speech or anything of the kind.

At least that would limit the money buying votes to people's money.

 

[White Eagle]

you brought it up....



what were you reffering to if not the the healthcare debate? naming post offices?

I don't think you will be getting any answers, it looks like. Another one who changes the subject instead of answering.

 

[nurseboy269]

I don't think you will be getting any answers, it looks like. Another one who changes the subject instead of answering.

"another one"..HAHA how very fast to jump to conclusions....by the tone, can I assume that you are "another one" that cannot see past their own views and will pounce on any different opinions?

But sure, I can address the post.....

• Democrats (namely Reid and Pelosi) can pretend all they want that they encouraged a bipartisan "commission" to write the healthcare bill...the bottom line is, after the 2008 elections, they both felt entitled to do what and how they pleased as if given a golden blank check. They basically came out in public and stated that they didn't need the help of the Republicans...they had the votes, and frankly couldn't care less what input they had to offer.
  
• Nearly all meetings were behind closed doors excluding the Republicans. When a public outcry began, they finally allowed them into the talks, but certainly not to be a part of them. Their attitude continued to be "we don't need you"...you can sit over there in the corner and look pretty....talk if you want, but we are not going to listen. The reason they were brought in was to give Democratic leaders someone to blame when public opinion for the healthcare bill went down the drain..."well, it is their fault...they didn't participate." False, they were not allowed to participate, even when they let them into the meetings.
  
• For fault with the Republicans, they should have done SOMETHING other than cry like little girls in the corner because no one wanted to play with them.
  
• I do not feel the number of bills being passed in congress is anywhere remotely important.....you can pass a record number of laws/bills, but if they are all crap, then you haven't accomplished anything.
  
• Democrats filibuster all the time. Personally I think the practice is childish, but BOTH sides are guilty of it. Both parties have members proposing bills/amendments that other members of their party won't touch...this is not a Republican issue alone...I am sure all Democrats run to support everything Kucinich proposes.
  
• I do not consider the "Teabaggers" Republicans at all, they are a radical right wing group that has NO sense of compromise....much like I wouldn't consider radical members of PETA elected as Democrats...to trully be democrats.
  
• The fact that a speaker of the house cannot count on a consenting vote from every member of his/her party, I fell, is a good thing. It means there is a difference of opinion...I have said it before, there is no change/progress without descent. I would be more concerned if the members of a party all did follow in line like good little solders....

I think I addressed the points in your post, I am sure you will let me know if I didn't.