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Drugs are the path to false enlightenment

Lukeee

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How do you send positive energy? Just sit around and think happy thoughts?

What sort of drugs did you do?
 
I have never tried any of those drugs you mentioned, apart from alcohol. And I've never tried any rituals. So, I have no basis for comparison.

However I am often serenely happy anyway. Maybe I'm just too lazy to bother getting high or "ritualized" first, so I just go straight for the bliss. I'm a greedy bastard that way.
 
Seething said:
I obviously should've known this all along, but I discovered tonight that doing a Pagan ritual makes me feel better than any drug ever has, and ever will.

I'd rather do the hard work and attain true enlightenment than take a pill that will do nothing but make me feel good for a few hours.
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How dare you! It is thoughtless opinions like that which will drive honest shops like IAmShaman.com out of business. :p (Kidding!)

But seriously, there are many indigenous paths that make use of some form of ritualized substance as part of their legitimate practice. IMO it is only the New Age-ish quasi-mystics who've perverted the concept into an excuse to use drugs and alcohol.

That said; in my personal opinion I absolutely agree with you: the harder the work, the greater the sense of accomplishment. Also, by striving to meet these moments of awakening in a 'pure' state, we come closer to being able to engage them at will on our own without aid. I find that a worthy goal.

Under-taken said:
What if you're not religious though?
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Meditation can be completely secular in nature and has been proven to provide some astoundingly physical and scientifically measurable results with brain chemistry.

I forget his name, but there is a former Western medical doctor who gave up his practice and moved to Tibet to become a Buddhist monk. As part of his practice, he has devoted much of his life to meditation. Again, the practice itself can be completely secular.

Anyway, he lived there for many years and finally came back to help with a study about meditation. Part of the study involved examining a meditative brain in an MRI machine. He went into the MRI and began meditating, and they could literally watch parts of his brain light up. He was even able to 'activate' areas of the brain responsible for happiness and generally good feelings at will.

Although the title may sound silly, [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Minute-Meditation-Quiet-Mind-Change/dp/0399529950"]"8 Minute Meditation"[/ame] is a very good book. Written by a teacher of several varieties of meditation, it was crafted for a Western-mindset. Follow 1 lesson plan per week, 8 minutes per day (8 minutes = the commercial breaks in a half-hour TV show), and you can be well on your way to meditating with the best of them!
 
BearBoi said:
Anyway, he lived there for many years and finally came back to help with a study about meditation. Part of the study involved examining a meditative brain in an MRI machine. He went into the MRI and began meditating, and they could literally watch parts of his brain light up. He was even able to 'activate' areas of the brain responsible for happiness and generally good feelings at will.
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The more you smile, the happier you'll be. So yeah, don't really need meditaition for the same effect, though it might make it easier to make yourself feel that your actually doing something towards you happyness, making it more effective.

Back to the original points; What do you mean by 'true enlightenment'? Do you just mean it make you happy? or has it caused you to become fully aware of a situation? Or have you obtained a spiritual revelation/deep insight into the meaning and purpose of all things, to communicate with and/or understand the mind of God, to achieve some other type of profound spiritual understanding, or to achieve a fundamentally changed level of existence whereby one's self is experienced as a nonchanging field of pure consciousness?

Either way I wouldn't use drugs nor pagan rituals ... for anything. Though alcohol will be used for an enjoyable night out.
 
Seething said:
^It was a pretty simple ritual. I started off by sending positive energy to my best friend (as he asked me to), sent my Gods as much energy as I could to help with the BP oil disaster, then closed the circle and I was done. :)

It still feels amazing. A better high than clonazepam, and no crash!
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This doesn't sound like satanism, well sort of in the hippy way of Anton Levay preaches in his black bible.
It does sound like what many people in vampirism do instead of the real taking of blood.

I don't know about the Gulf disaster though it seems to me like there are a whole lot of people putting a lot of energy into mental prayer or meditation including all that voo-doo hocus pocus and thats not enough energy against the truer form of black magic, Texas Tea that is true Satanism. $$$
 
I don't think ALL drugs result in false enlightenment.

I did LSD a couple of times over 15 years ago, and I took from it some valuable insights about myself and others and the state of living in general that I keep with me to this day - long, long after the drug wore off....
 
Joshua_me said:
I don't think ALL drugs result in false enlightenment.

I did LSD a couple of times over 15 years ago, and I took from it some valuable insights about myself and others and the state of living in general that I keep with me to this day - long, long after the drug wore off....
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Care to share? I am interested. If u want, u can PM.(!)
 
Under-taken said:
What if you're not religious though?
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That's called "spiritual, but not religious." Zen Buddhists fall under this category; They use meditation for enlightment, yet do not believe in an invisible man in the sky, or corrupted churches where they just take your money and diddle your kids. :p




Glad you're finding peace, Seething. But I have a question:

You said that you no longer want to use drugs to find "enlightenment", and that's a good thing. . .but do you plan on using drugs recreationally, or becoming completely sober?
 
Benzodiazepine suppose to mellow u out? How can u get high from that crap? :P
 
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