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[Rolyo85]

What? There were depictions of Jews that were racist, derogatory, and unfairly prejudiced against an entire class of people? That was directly responsible for the Holocaust (rather than merely a product of the existing anti-Semitism)?

That's such bullshit! Of course they were a product. They were also fuel in the fire. Or you think constant exposure to gay people in pop culture is only a result of better attitude towards us in the general society, and isn't RESPONSIBLE for it at all?

 

[Musik2400]

The Duck Dynasty controversy isn't about gay teens. It's not about suicides. There isn't any sanctimonious high ground to be had. It's about a bigot admitting his bigotry in an interview. He didn't go out to campaign for it -- he admitted it when asked. Howling at the moon and asking for his head on a platter doesn't help the gay cause at all -- it serves to galvanize those who oppose gays. We prosper as a civil rights cause much more by treating his comments for what they were -- bigoted comments, nothing more.

And, the tendencies for gays to become extremists in taking positions on it reveals inherent weaknesses in gay political strategy when it becomes evident that the cause is needlessly divided by such esoterica.

Finally, someone with half a brain!

Wrong!

Gay kids are nothing like their straight counterparts.

It has everything to do with LGBT suicides, whose only cause is culturally reinforced hate.

Our political strategy has paid dividends in Canada, one of the most pleasant places for LGBTs to live, and where hate speech is banned.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
1: Yes, gays ARE exactly like their straight counterparts. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT BIGOTS TO REALIZE. A higher rate of suicide does not make them "nothing like" straight teens. We're all people. Maybe we need to remember that first?
2: No, there are MANY causes more than just 'culturally reinforced hate'. The other factors range from minor, to grand, but there are other factors. NOTHING is ever caused by one exclusive variable. To assert so is asinine.
3: No it hasn't. The political strategy Dejavudoo mentions (which by extension is the strategy you refer to) is new in the past few years. The fly off the handle mentality has come up recently, and Canada's battles for gay rights were already fought and won long before we decided everyone who says soemthign we don't like should be roasted. Also, do you wanna define "hate speech banned"? Because GQ is sold in Canada... which means the 'offending message of hate' can reach Canada JUST as easily as anywhere else.

Yes, A&E when they found out about this first suspended him, then un-suspended him. They knew this guy was a redneck and probably had some out there views and when he voiced them, they first worried how that might impact them financially, then decided after the redneck fan outpouring of outrage that he was suspended that they would reverse and do nothing about it.

So under their pay for a program they profit off is a reality show featuring a guy who holds these views.

So yes, I do hold them partially responsible. In fact I'm pretty sure if you re-read my post you will see "partially" quite a bit in the post. Affirming that we're going to keep someone like this as a nationally televised public figure sends a message, no matter how much A&E would undoubtedly insist that they do not condone or agree with anti-gay sentiment for PR, that there is nothing wrong with these viewpoints.

That's sending a message to managers, bosses, employees in charge of hiring, it's sending a message to everyone aware of this story. No matter how much television networks have always tried to wash their hands and say they are only engaged in providing entertainment, those messages go out regardless. And this guy isn't on a show where we watch his surgical skills or his acumen as a businessman or inventor, this is a reality show about the day to day lives of these people. So it is profiting very directly off the same part and parcel real-him that went off and made these statements in interviews.

Your whole "objection" to this is "oh, you didn't correctly list all the details of where the statements were made." And I'm telling you now for the second time that's completely irrelevant to the above.

Clearly you and Phil have a lot in common. Closed-minded ignorance and the ability to spout of indoctrinated views with no real substance, evidence, or proof. Congrats.

 

[Rolyo85]

You're taking as a Bulgarian until the day some Washington bureaucrat gives you the paper saying you can reside here.

At this point I am so bored with you that I will put you on ignore, until you do something interesting enough in some other topic to merit pulling you out of there. Buh-bye

 

[xbuzzerx]

What? There were depictions of Jews that were racist, derogatory, and unfairly prejudiced against an entire class of people? That was directly responsible for the Holocaust (rather than merely a product of the existing anti-Semitism)?

If your premise is solid, then we can expect suicide bombers at St. Paul's Cathedral soon as a direct result of the JUB Post a Funny Anti-Religious Pic thread any day now, right?

And another failure to miss the point.

In Deja's world, sudden hostile or violent reactions against people of certain minority groups comes from nowhere, it doesn't come from any entrenched social prejudices or negative imagery and attitudes ingrained in people over a period of time or the resentful or hateful feelings that rise as a result. They're sudden, unpredictable explosions without explanation.

In fact, in your worldview, why do we not see more straightbashing and whitekillings than we do? After all, these things are random, they are not influenced at all by dominant social attitudes or prejudices.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I bet you don't; I've met quisling people here who have 'proudly' retained their 'otherness' for over fifty years.

My guess is it doesn't bother you in the least that many northeastern Americans have done precisely the same thing with their Irish or Italian identity for over a hundred years.

 

[Alnitak]

1: Yes, gays ARE exactly like their straight counterparts.

We most certainly do not experience the same level of acceptance, and that is exactly what bigots need to realize.

A higher rate of suicide does not make them "nothing like" straight teens. We're all people. Maybe we need to remember that first?
2: No, there are MANY causes more than just 'culturally reinforced hate'. The other factors range from minor, to grand, but there are other factors. NOTHING is ever caused by one exclusive variable. To assert so is asinine.

Oh really?

Care to name the cause of gay people committing way more suicides than straight people that isn't culturally reinforced hate?

I'm waiting.

 

[xbuzzerx]

So have I. Except I am already more integrated than people who've been here for decades. You don't know me and your off-topic remarks on my assimilation status are both limply inane, and completely unimportant to the topic. Restrain your logorhea or gtfo of here.

One might even say you've been quite heavily ass-imilated by Americans.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Clearly you and Phil have a lot in common. Closed-minded ignorance and the ability to spout of indoctrinated views with no real substance, evidence, or proof. Congrats.

"He made those statements on the 14th, not the 16th, therefore you're an ignorant, indoctrinated bigot."

Dem skills bro.

 

[pat grimshaw]

At this point I am so bored …

That sounds like avoidance to me. But I am curious if you're getting Full Citizenship or just some kind of Residency status.

My country has an over-generous socialist welfare citizenship system which allows people born overseas to have residence here for at little as five years and then allows them to return to their homeland and be paid a fortnightly PENSION CHEQUE until the day they die.

 

[pat grimshaw]

My guess is it doesn't bother you in the least that many northeastern Americans have done precisely the same thing with their Irish or Italian identity for over a hundred years.

I'm guessing you're talking about those Non-Whites again.

 

[Alnitak]

That sounds like avoidance to me.

No you really are JUB's biggest troll.

 

[xbuzzerx]

That sounds like avoidance to me. But I am curious if you're getting Full Citizenship or just some kind of Residency status.

My country has an over-generous socialist welfare citizenship system which allows people born overseas to have residence here for at little as five years and then allows them to return to their homeland and be paid a fortnightly PENSION CHEQUE until the day they die.

So why is so much of your pique and attention directed at the U.S. and not at getting involved politically in your own country's affairs if you dislike how they're run? I don't see you making many threads here or in CE&P about Australian politics, just trolling about American politics and social issues, usually with a marked anti-minority and anti-gay bent to all of it.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Psstt...actually in this very thread a lot of people are doing EXACTLY that...trying to deny the man the right to say what he said.... and if you (gasp) disagree with them you are either naive or stupid or helping people commit suicide...which again I support their right to say it but disagree completely with what they are saying

If someone called you a "fucking faggot" would your response be "I disagree with you, but I agree with your right to say it"?

 

[johaninsc]

You're taking as a Bulgarian until the day some Washington bureaucrat gives you the paper saying you can reside here.

here ?


Pat, I thought you were in Australia

 

[eastofeden]

If someone called you a "fucking faggot" would your response be "I disagree with you, but I agree with your right to say it"?

If someone called me a fucking faggot I would know they aren't talking about me...and no...I wouldn't take away their right to say it.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

That isn't what I asked but OK.

 

[Vitamin]

here ?


Pat, I thought you were in Australia

You're confused. By "here" he actually meant JUB, and Rolyo's plan to forge a fake birth certificate "proving" he's a natural born citizen of the JUB so he can become President and eventually take over the world.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

This thread seems to be losing the real issue here...

...did you manage to make it through Christmas?

 

[xbuzzerx]

You're confused. By "here" he actually meant JUB, and Rolyo's plan to forge a fake birth certificate "proving" he's a natural born citizen of the JUB so he can become President and eventually take over the world.

I approve of this interpretation, although I think Pat made a little slip.

 

[Vitamin]

This thread seems to be losing the real issue here...

...did you manage to make it through Christmas?

Surprizingly yes. Without murdering anyone even. I'm very proud of myself.