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Dutch clean-up offer refused

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If this is true, I'm somehow at a loss for words. Sadly I don't know all the background info ..

The Dutch know how to handle maritime emergencies. In the event of an oil spill, The Netherlands government, which owns its own ships and high-tech skimmers, gives an oil company 12 hours to demonstrate it has the spill in hand. If the company shows signs of unpreparedness, the government dispatches its own ships at the oil company's expense. "If there's a country that's experienced with building dikes and managing water, it's the Netherlands," says Geert Visser, the Dutch consul general in Houston.

In sharp contrast to Dutch preparedness before the fact and the Dutch instinct to dive into action once an emergency becomes apparent, witness the American reaction to the Dutch offer of help. The U.S. government responded with "Thanks but no thanks," remarked Visser, despite BP's desire to bring in the Dutch equipment and despite the no-lose nature of the Dutch offer --the Dutch government offered the use of its equipment at no charge. Even after the U.S. refused, the Dutch kept their vessels on standby, hoping the Americans would come round. By May 5, the U.S. had not come round. To the contrary, the U.S. had also turned down offers of help from 12 other governments, most of them with superior expertise and equipment --unlike the U.S., Europe has robust fleets of Oil Spill Response Vessels that sail circles around their make-shift U.S. counterparts.
http://www.financialpost.com/Avertible+catastrophe/3203808/story.html
 
The Dutch aren't the only foreign aid Obama has turned away. Good job Mr. President ..|
 
It is quite true...and pointed out in the BP post...where I was summarily told I am only picking on Obama cause he is Obama...

Same thing with only using 6 of the 40 US Navy Skimmers available...

Complete mismanagement of the cleanup....IMHO
 
Do Americans have any president who was even halfway capable of managing a disaster?

Is it just that all the presidents you elect are totally inept?

It sure seems that way to the rest of the world after the last half dozen or so.
 
Sadly the cesspool that raises people to political prominence in America is rife with bought and paid creatures that dont have any sense of service, duty or honor.

That is true throughout and not endemic to either party
 
It is quite true...and pointed out in the BP post...where I was summarily told I am only picking on Obama cause he is Obama...


Tell me about it. :rolleyes:


Same thing with only using 6 of the 40 US Navy Skimmers available...

Complete mismanagement of the cleanup....IMHO


Reportedly there are more than 1500 skimmers available nationwide but only around 400 are being used in the Gulf cleanup.

This is just another way that Obama could use his power, by overriding or working with Congress to override the Jones Act and environmental laws to get the job done.

Laws keep skimmers away from Gulf

BP says only 433 boats are picking up oil, and only one-third of those are specialized skimmers, The (New Orleans) Times-Picayune reports. ...

U.S. Sen. George LeMieux, R-Fla., used a Coast Guard map last week that showed 850 skimmers in the southeast and 1,600 nationwide.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/06/30/Laws-keep-skimmers-away-from-Gulf/UPI-62561277945081/
 
This is just another way that Obama could use his power, by overriding or working with Congress to override the Jones Act and environmental laws to get the job done.

jones act :confused:
did you just say that there are "environmental laws" that prevent the government from using more skimmers and accept international help :confused:
 
Bush would have done the same thing. Obviously, EGO comes before country when you sit in the Oval Office. Too much pride I suppose to admit when you need help.
 
jones act :confused:
did you just say that there are "environmental laws" that prevent the government from using more skimmers and accept international help :confused:


From the link I posted above:

The spill in the gulf is the biggest in U.S. history. But it does not invalidate the Jones Act of 1992, which protects U.S. shipping and forced a French company to sell nine skimmers to a U.S. company before they could be used, and the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, which requires skimmers to be on standby in ports around the country.
 
I swear, for the last 50 years, it always seems to appear that no American government couldn't organize a fuck-up in a whorehouse.
 
Do Americans have any president who was even halfway capable of managing a disaster?

Is it just that all the presidents you elect are totally inept?

It sure seems that way to the rest of the world after the last half dozen or so.

Yeah, it sure is starting to seem that way..But hey,Obama showed his firm leadership when he demanded that B.P. ''Plug the damn hole."..

I say we just start over..
 
Apparently the Drudge report which implied that offers of foreign help have not been accepted is false.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201006300004?lid=1125301&rid=49129680

State Dept:"The United States will accept 22 offers of assistance from 12 countries and international bodies, including two high-speed skimmers and fire containment boom from Japan," the U.S. State Department said in a statement.
 
^ I wonder why they aren't there yet? Did they "just" accept the offer - months later?
 
From the link provided quoting an Atlantic Magazine journalist:

So where are the Dutch ships, the Norwegian ships, the Belgian ships? For one thing, we're using Norweigian skimmers. The Dutch have experience with much smaller spills, and their expertise isn't as pertinent. For another, Dutch engineers ARE consulting with the U.S. government. Finally, it's worth noting that many foreign offers of help have been conditional -- that is: "We'll sell you these supplies at this cost." Mexico has offered assistance for free, and the U.S is using it. 15 foreign countries have signed reciprocity agreements with the U.S. and are helping with the clean-up effort.
 
Gee maybe because people are bitching about WTF are you doing in your management of this issue....

However how much environmentla damge could have been averted if the offer was taken at the three day point vice to two month point?



The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,'” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston.
Now, almost seven weeks later, as the oil spewing from the battered well spreads across the Gulf and soils pristine beaches and coastline, BP and our government have reconsidered.

Lets see...
7 weeks times 80,000 barrels a day....= 3.92 mill barrels

They also offered deep skimmer that could have reached and siphoned the spil at the source within a week... instead of top hate, top shot, bottom kill money shot....WTF ever crap BP tried.

At least the Obama Admin is able to adapt when the whole universe points out that they are fucking retarded. Bush never did so.

So that is change
 
The change that should have occurred was the accurate management of MMS and the accurate review of request to drill.

Canada already requires a second relief well be drilled in conjunction with the original well.

Would that have had been hard to implement if someone was interested in the year of reformation of that office that was promised by Ken Salazar?

I have seen 3000 person Naval command fail utterly due to incompetent leadership and then after the top is fired resurrect themselves in months to be able to complete very complex task. I cant imagine reviewing a document to ensure an actual plan exist and all the rules are met is that fucking complex.

Lets see

Spill plan..... nope
Environmental Impact..........nope
Track record................nope

Easy fucking day

BTW this IS all Bush's fault for the state of that office. However he was an oil man. I expect him to be deferent to oil industry issues.

Obama is a left wing tree hugger who then hired a man sentimental to oil to run it in the hopes of change. Ridiculous
 
There is no question that BP and the state and federal governments were entirely unprepared for an oil spill of this magnitude (and perhaps any magnitude). I have serious doubts that the clean up has been as efficient as it could have been, but it is a technical problem and I don't think we laymen can make a serious judgement about the clean up until the experts review and come to some conclusions.

I hope everything is being done that can be done, but I simply don't know. I wish our news media would do a better job of investigative journalism instead of simply showing oil covered pelicans, but until we have more info I just don't think we can really make a judgement.
 
From the link provided quoting an Atlantic Magazine journalist:

So where are the Dutch ships, the Norwegian ships, the Belgian ships? For one thing, we're using Norweigian skimmers. The Dutch have experience with much smaller spills, and their expertise isn't as pertinent. For another, Dutch engineers ARE consulting with the U.S. government. Finally, it's worth noting that many foreign offers of help have been conditional -- that is: "We'll sell you these supplies at this cost." Mexico has offered assistance for free, and the U.S is using it. 15 foreign countries have signed reciprocity agreements with the U.S. and are helping with the clean-up effort.


So we are using the Dutch expertise?


and BTW, when are we going to use their expertise to manage the mess that still is the area around New Orleans?

after all, they know a little bit about managing busy ports in extremely flood prone areas
 
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