Dutch men confess in HIV sex party predator case

[metta]

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Four HIV-positive men from the Groeningen province in the north of the Netherlands confessed to police that they held sex parties where they drugged men with GHB and injected them with their own blood in an attempt to infect them.

Dutch HIV workers told Gay.com U.K. that they were aware that at least 10 men who attended the sex parties had contracted HIV -- which implies that considerably more men were victims of the assaults.

The accused are two 48-year old men from Slochteren and two men from Groeningen, aged 33 and 34. Two have confessed to the sexual assault and deliberate infection attempts: the other two have so far only admitted to dealing in huge quantities of GHB. One does not define himself as gay.
Five victims between the ages of 25 and 50 have reported to the police so far. Four of them have filed charges.

The Dutch public prosecutor has charged the men with premeditated grievous bodily harm, but said it could not charge them with attempted murder or manslaughter because "the life expectancy of the victims can be extended with medication." The offense carries a maximum penalty of 16 years in prison.

Gay.com spoke to Robert Witlox, Director of the Dutch HIV Association, who took up the story:

"We became aware that something odd was going on in Groeningen about a year ago. Someone came to a support group for people newly diagnosed with HIV and gave us this story about having been drugged unconscious with GHB and raped, which was how he got the virus.

"At first, we dismissed it -- you hear many such stories in support groups -- but several other people came forward with similar stories. One said he had come to to find a man still fucking him without a condom, while another said that during the experience he had felt a sharp needle-like pain in his anus."
The suspects have confessed that they drew blood from all four of themselves and injected it into their victims' anuses.

Witlox continued: "The men would advertise small sex parties -- three to five people -- on the Internet. It appears they were doing it on a frequent basis, and it continued right up till they were arrested in May.

"We alerted the public health department in Groeningen, who said they had heard similar stories. They put out a press release warning gay men about attending sex parties and saying they had noticed a rise in local HIV infections.

"We finally persuaded the first victim -- who does not publicly identify as gay -- to make a formal complaint to the police in January."

Witlox noted that one of the features of the case was that the victims appeared largely to be non-gay-identified men seeking same-sex thrills using the Internet.

The two suspects who have confessioned to the police said that they were motivated by lust, saying that if they made other men positive, they'd have the opportunity to have unprotected sex with them.

Witlox commented: "In many ways, this is a straightforward case. The legal argument about HIV transmission has always been about reckless infection," (meaning not intending to infect, but not caring either) "whereas this is a clear case of rape and of attempted deliberate infection.
"In talking to the media yesterday, not just I but also representatives from the Dutch Health Ministry said that this behavior was not typical of gay men or people with HIV."

Witlox added, however, that since then his organization has been accused of fostering a culture of normalizing unsafe sex.

"Journalists are now linking the case with the fact that we have a support group called Positive and Proud, where subjects like serosorting" (consensual, unprotected sex between HIV-positive people) "are discussed. We've been asked if we have any norms.
"We've said, 'Yes, we do. We're saying it's not all right to rape people and deliberately infect them with HIV!'"(Gus Cairns, Gay.com U.K.)

http://planetout.com/news/article.html?date=2007/05/31/4&navpath=/topics/health/hiv/

 

[Rali_hates_Mondays]

This is really really scary. It makes you wonder how long they were doing this and how many victims there were?

 

[levenshulme31]

What the fuck is wrong with these bastards?

A bit more fuel for the haters.

 

[treanir]

The Dutch public prosecutor has charged the men with premeditated grievous bodily harm, but said it could not charge them with attempted murder or manslaughter because "the life expectancy of the victims can be extended with medication." The offense carries a maximum penalty of 16 years in prison.http://planetout.com/news/article.html?date=2007/05/31/4&navpath=/topics/health/hiv/

WHAT?!??! That's ridiculous!

 

[Nonimus]

Execute them.

 

[Marbas]

Fuckin' 'ell!

That's awful.

It would be weird enough if it was one guy, acting alone, doing that; but four of them working together?

 

[oceanmachine]

I wonder what the HELL their reasons were...thats so bizarre, why would someone do something like that?

 

[Raven03]

I posted another article yesterday about this and their reasoning was to have more positive sex partners. They basically said that they did these guys a favor and they wouldnt have to worry about getting the disease because they already have it. So in their sick heads they think if your positive you can go around and be as reckless as you want and no longer have to worry about it. They have turned the disease into a fetish which is fucked and deserve more than 16 years in prison.

Their was similar incident in Australia where a guy was intentionally infecting others at a sex party about a month or so ago. He had the same mind set as these guys and got off on infecting others so he could expand his number of sex partners. Its sad and upsetting that there are some sick people like this in the world.

 

[atriunsala]

Now that's one major reason why society just can't deal with homosexuals...

 

[trawler69]

It is behaviour like that that must make those who campaign and raise money to support those with Hiv and the institutions searching for a cure, wonder why they bother. These people need to be made an example of not just by the community in general but specifically by the Gay community so that all realise that this is not what being Gay is about and that, if anything, we condemn it more than others as it is we who are threatened by these creeps.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Two of the suspected men lost their appeal at the Hoge Raad.

Peter M. got twelve years (rather than the initial nine), and Hans J. got nine (instead of five).

source: Gaykrant.

 

[AllMan]

damn, that's messed up---I guess in their twisted minds it wasn't enough to cum inside the mens' asses, they had to inject their victims' anuses with blood-filled needles??

Ouch, that must hurt!

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

damn, that's messed up---I guess in their twisted minds it wasn't enough to cum inside the mens' asses, they had to inject their victims' anuses with blood-filled needles??

Ouch, that must hurt!

They did it while they were out (they drugged the victim's drinks). The three men started by infecting eachother in this way.

This article from 2008 sketches a very disturbing picture:

link (Dutch).

 

[Darkflower]

These guys have to be sociopaths. That, or so lost in sexual addicition that nothing mattered more than ensuring their access to sex partners.

Soooo fucked up.

 

[treanir]

I read that last article this morning. Terrifying stuff. Definitely a word of caution for anyone who 'plays around'.

 

[jizzeater]

A bit more fuel for the haters.

That's what I'm afraid of.

 

[AllMan]

that's more of a reason why if someone offer me a drink when I got to their house to "play", I only accept bottled water---they could be putting anything in your drink while they are around the corner in the kitchen out of view.....

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

These guys have to be sociopaths. That, or so lost in sexual addicition that nothing mattered more than ensuring their access to sex partners.

Soooo fucked up.

It was some kind of S&M thing. The young 'slave' (35 at the time and HIV+) of the triangle (the other members were a gay couple of 49 and 50 and NEG+), wrote in a letter to his "Master"(the 50-year-old).

I, Hans, have conciously infected my master and apart from him others. The assholes got what they asked for! Yes!

I read that last article this morning. Terrifying stuff. Definitely a word of caution for anyone who 'plays around'.

I got two friends who got ruphied in the April. It could happen to you too.

That's what I'm afraid of.

The case was so outlandish nobody connected the crimes with the gay community.

that's more of a reason why if someone offer me a drink when I got to their house to "play", I only accept bottled water---they could be putting anything in your drink while they are around the corner in the kitchen out of view.....

They put GHB in the beer.

 

[treanir]

I got two friends who got ruphied in the April. It could happen to you too.

Okay, I'll rewrite:
That story screams "be careful out there - lots of crazy people about."

Though in the end, if someone really wants to hurt you, they can. Now THERE's a lovely thought.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Okay, I'll rewrite:
That story screams "be careful out there - lots of crazy people about."

They got ruphied at the same time, by an acquaintance of the husband of one of the guys.