Edmonton Pride parade held hostage

[mikey3000]

I have not heard that. I have only heard they want them so when they are killed it will be on video.

But the knife cuts both ways. Video evidence can more often cement their fate in an array of crimes too. Video evidence and facial recognition software is used to identify rioting thugs too, often months after the event.

 

[TickTockMan]

But the knife cuts both ways. Video evidence can more often cement their fate in an array of crimes too. Video evidence and facial recognition software is used to identify rioting thugs too, often months after the event.

I have still never heard of BLM or any other groups NOT wanting body cams as you said. They want them because it protects both sides from lies. BLM and other groups have no official position on those that break the law that I know of. Their concern is people being beat and killed and taken advantage of in other ways and being accused of breaking the law. Body cams only help their position.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

But the knife cuts both ways. Video evidence can more often cement their fate in an array of crimes too. Video evidence and facial recognition software is used to identify rioting thugs too, often months after the event.

excuse me you were asked to validate your claims that minority groups oppose body cams

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

But the knife cuts both ways. Video evidence can more often cement their fate in an array of crimes too. Video evidence and facial recognition software is used to identify rioting thugs too, often months after the event.

You're stumbling over your own lies and obfuscations Mikey

via Op's link

MPD officers may record First Amendment assemblies for the purpose of documenting violations of law and police actions, as an aid to future coordination and deployment of law enforcement units, and for training purposes; provided, that recording First Amendment assemblies shall not be conducted for the purpose of identifying and recording the presence of individual participants who are not engaged in unlawful conduct.

 

[mikey3000]

And you believe that? So naive.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Should I take your refusal to substantiate your claims in this quote as a soft admission that it was pure bullshit? Good, now I don't feel so guilty for reporting you and the Mods cannot deny that you were trolling. I promise you here on out if you so much as say it's going to rain and it doesn't I'm reporting you. every time. No more lying on my people, my history or my culture. Time's up.

I think body cameras are a brilliant idea but many minority groups, including BLM claim they violate their civil rights and are now vigorously opposing their use. Back to square one.

moving along...

 

[mikey3000]

I provided two sorces which you didn't like. I doubt you'd like any source. So squawk all you want, but when the likes of you start making demands from me, you should go and love yourself, especially when you don't anawer others' questions.

 

[TickTockMan]

I provided two sorces which you didn't like. I doubt you'd like any source. So squawk all you want, but when the likes of you start making demands from me, you should go and love yourself, especially when you don't anawer others' questions.

Except your sources did not say what you said they did.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I provided two sorces which you didn't like. I doubt you'd like any source. So squawk all you want, but when the likes of you start making demands from me, you should go and love yourself, especially when you don't anawer others' questions.

It's appropriate that you misspelled sources because your "sorces" weren't "sources." A mod debunked one of em and the other looks like some bullshit a 4th grader threw together for their intro to web design class. That was a fail, a flop and a chop. But since I know you won't admit you're lying I'm ready to move on, anybody with nostrils can smell the B.S. from around the corner and up the street.

Black people have been begging for bodycams for years because we THOUGHT it would mean an end to this garbage and still police aren't being held accountable even when their own videos contradict their own reports or physical evidence or coroner's reports. That's why these people are protesting and it is a shame and a crime against humanity that the villain in this topic is people simply asking for civility, justice and accountability, then again those have always been far-reaching concepts for black people in the Americas. History will remember who fought for justice and who bitched over a parade. In this moment I am so ashamed for some of you. Ashamed and embarrassed.

 

[bankside]

So back on topic, Edmonton Police has done something about working with minority populations in the city.

http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/AboutEPS/CommunityInitiatives/ChiefsCAC.aspx

Word going around is that they’ve never heard a peep from the parade-blocking bullies. They seem to prefer keeping their terrible oppression and suffering a complete surprise, a secret from the actual community-based committees set up with the power to walk into the chief’s office and say “Look, we have a problem.”

I will reserve judgment until more comes out and frankly until I hear more from people I know to be involved. But something stinks and I’m getting ready to look at the bottom of my shoe because it smells like protest bullshit.

 

[TickTockMan]

So back on topic, Edmonton Police has done something about working with minority populations in the city.

http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/AboutEPS/CommunityInitiatives/ChiefsCAC.aspx

Word going around is that they’ve never heard a peep from the parade-blocking bullies. They seem to prefer keeping their terrible oppression and suffering a complete surprise, a secret from the actual community-based committees set up with the power to walk into the chief’s office and say “Look, we have a problem.”

I will reserve judgment until more comes out and frankly until I hear more from people I know to be involved. But something stinks and I’m getting ready to look at the bottom of my shoe because it smells like protest bullshit.

Yeah, they should have tried to work it out before hand if they did not.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I will reserve judgment until more comes out

Honestly it sounds like that's exactly what you're doing, judging. I mean I get it, they crashed the event and one that was worked hard for historically and just in terms of organization, and I'd be the first to wag my finger if they were protesting over something trivial but when we're talking about justice and human lives that trumps [or should trump] everything else, period. Kinda feels like this was a[nother] lost opportunity for the two sides to show solidarity.

 

[bankside]

Honestly it sounds like that's exactly what you're doing, judging. I mean I get it, they crashed the event and one that was worked hard for historically and just in terms of organization, and I'd be the first to wag my finger if they were protesting over something trivial but when we're talking about justice and human lives that trumps [or should trump] everything else, period. Kinda feels like this was a[nother] lost opportunity for the two sides to show solidarity.

If I was aware of people I knew being seriously mistreated by police, you’d see me at that sexual minorities board with handouts and a tv camera behind me if need be. You would not see me blocking the pride parade or stopping people leaving the ikea or throwing muffins at university students during their convocation or ticking the deer at Jasper Park Lodge because all of those things are fucking irrelevant.

This is smelling more and more like bullshit every day. It honestly seems more likely to be a product of a Russian troll farm stirring shit up to distract from the fact that even 2 people showed up to protest the Conservative pancake breakfast at McKernan Elementary School.

But we need more facts not more speculation so I will just put it out as a hypothesis, not a fact.

 

[mikey3000]

We're talking Edmonton here not LA. Its a beautiful city with, i think 4 police shootings in the last 100 years. I dont think shooting minorities there is a hobby of the police. Why pick Edmonton pride to protest? Those that feel discriminated against by the local police should be protesting at the local police headquarters, and keep protesting them. Why a Pride parade?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

If I was aware of people I knew being seriously mistreated by police, you’d see me at that sexual minorities board with handouts and a tv camera behind me if need be. You would not see me blocking the pride parade or stopping people leaving the ikea or throwing muffins at university students during their convocation or ticking the deer at Jasper Park Lodge because all of those things are fucking irrelevant.

This is smelling more and more like bullshit every day. It honestly seems more likely to be a product of a Russian troll farm stirring shit up to distract from the fact that even 2 people showed up to protest the Conservative pancake breakfast at McKernan Elementary School.

But we need more facts not more speculation so I will just put it out as a hypothesis, not a fact.

Or maybe, hear me out here, it's people crying out for justice? The stakes are pretty high for one to be so dismissive, or to gripe about how the message was presented. Again, human lives, matta fact one human life > 600,000 pride parades

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

We're talking Edmonton here not LA. Its a beautiful city with, i think 4 police shootings in the last 100 years. I dont think shooting minorities there is a hobby of the police. Why pick Edmonton pride to protest? Those that feel discriminated against by the local police should be protesting at the local police headquarters, and keep protesting them. Why a Pride parade?

One is too many, four is unconscionable. Of course that depends on whether or not a person actually values black lives, someone who doesn't probably won't see it that way. Why a Pride parade? Why the fuck not? Because it's inconvenient? Maybe because it HAS to be a bold maneuver like this to get people's attention since dying didn't do the trick.

 

[mikey3000]

Or one pride parade can affect 600 000 gay youths.

 

[mikey3000]

One is too many, four is unconscionable. Of course that depends on whether or not a person actually values black lives, someone who doesn't probably won't see it that way. Why a Pride parade? Why the fuck not? Because it's inconvenient? Or maybe because it HAS to be a bold maneuver like this to get people's attention since dying didn't do the trick.

So we can expect more protests at St. Paddy's Day Parade? The Santa Claus Parade?

 

[mikey3000]

2016 shooting of Dallas police officers
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded. Johnson was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran who was reportedly angry over police shootings of black men and stated that he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers. The shooting happened at the end of a protest against police killings of Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and Philando Castile in Falcon Heights, Minnesota, which had occurred in the preceding days.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

 

[opinterph]

I assume some members of the police are also members of the LGBTQ2S+ community.

My exploration of this topic led me to a thesis that “examines the basic beliefs, values, and assumptions of police culture, which in the Western world has been dominated by white, working class, heterosexual males. [The thesis] further considers how the culture is perceived by and impacts the workplace and career experiences of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) police officers in the Province of Ontario.”

It reinforces my opinion that putting a wall between Pride and police is the opposite action that is needed in the circumstance in Edmonton and more generally. We need more interactions – not less.

Covered in Blue: Police Culture and LGBT Police Officers
in the Province of Ontario
Joe L. Couto​

Excerpts:

Participants whose services have [Internal Support Networks] noted that these Networks raised the profile of and support for LGBT officers. A lesbian supervisory officer said that, “The relationship (between police and the LGBT community) has greatly improved and now that we have the [Internal Support Network], it’s like a group of police officers the community sees that are LGBT officers so that we’re getting a lot more men on board in terms of hiring because they see that you can be gay on this service. There’s no longer that wall or roadblock. You can be who you are (Participant 11, April 14, 2014).”

A number of participants were, however, largely unaware of what their service does to communicate with LGBT police officers. A gay male front-line officer stated that he had no knowledge of what his police service did to communicate directly to LGBT members towards the public, “I don’t think the [Ontario Provincial Police], other than every now and then doing a symposium, I personally don’t have any knowledge about anything the [Ontario Provincial Police] does, other than letting members march in Pride (parades)”. This officer stated that it was a “pure fluke” that he saw a notice on an internal day board inviting members to volunteer for this study. “I just happen to catch the LGBT in capitals and that’s the only reason that I even saw this” (Participant 3, April 9, 2014). Such observations reflect the analysis of the police artefacts, which found that LGBT issues were not featured as prominently as other “diversity” issues. This may reflect the fact that LGBT officers may not have yet attained the level of acceptability of other groups outside the dominant heteronormative culture such as women and members of racialized groups within policing.

And this media release is something every one of us should read:

MEDIA RELEASE

It's time to stop the war on Police in Pride

(Serving with Pride)​

It's as simple as that.

I think it's important that you understand that we, as Serving With Pride and all of our brothers and sisters that march in solidarity are not marching because it's just 'the in thing' to do. We are marching because we've earned the right to march along each and every individual that is in that parade, marching for their own reasons. In the end, it all comes down to the PRIDE of wearing our uniforms walking hand in hand with our partners, beside our LGBTTIQQ2SA colleagues, friends and supporters.

We too have been subject to discrimination, harassment and bullying both in the work place and in real life. I personally have been sucker punched coming out of a gay bar while someone screamed "FAG!". I personally know of people who have left the policing and criminal justice professions because of the 'old boys club' mentality.

With that being said, I am aware of many more folks who have worked diligently, our very own Danielle being one of them to become agents of change not only for her Police Service, but also teaching up and coming students about the profession and diversity. Chief Hayman from Strathroy-Caradoc PS, Deputy Duraiappah from Halton PS, Chief Martin from Durham, Chief Larkin from WRPS, Chief McGuire from Niagara, Chief Jolliffe from York, Chief Saunders from Toronto, all of these services have stepped up and become leaders in training their employees in Diversity. I've left a lot of people out here because I can't even begin to list all of the contacts that I, and my executive members have dealt with who have shown tremendous interest in our cause.

We can't take back all the things that have happened to our communities, and we'd be wrong if we didn't admit there were and still are issues.

We are your brothers and sisters. We are in your work places, we are in your homes, we are your friends. Pushing Law Enforcement out of Pride completely backhands the "You can sit with us" mentality.

You can sit with us unless we say otherwise. It's not going to happen.

I urge readers to please share this status with this message, email [REDACTED] and tell them that you want Police in Pride. Post on their Facebook, tell your friends, and support SWP.

As we are a full time volunteer not-for-profit organization we can always use assistance - especially now in what is becoming a critical point in our relationship with our LGBTTIQQ2SA community. You can email us at [REDACTED].

Thanks for reading,

Brian Mitchell President, SWP