Edmonton Pride parade held hostage

[TickTockMan]

Yes, I am sitting on the fence in this matter, too.

Don't get me wrong. I am not on the fence. I think there is a better way to deal with this, I just see their point.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Don't get me wrong. I am not on the fence. I think there is a better way to deal with this, I just see their point.

I advise you to share your ideas cuz when peaceful protest doesn't work the next step is civil disobedience and then outright rioting. We're only gonna take so much more.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I advise you to share your ideas cuz when peaceful protest doesn't work the next step is civil disobedience and then outright rioting. We're only gonna take so much more.

This is what gets me.

People suggesting there are more “peaceful” ways to go about it. The reason it gets to this point is because No one. Is. Fucking. Listening.

Protests just don’t suddenly happen right out the gate when people have issue with something, it’s because no one is listening and nothing is being doen about it. So then people protest, then they’re met with criticism and being told “Maybe if you were more peaceful, people would listen.” That’s not the case, they don’t care because it’s not happening to them.

 

[Cormac135]

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Don't wish it into being Mikey, riots can do terrible harm, sadly mostly to the people throwing them and their own property, i was just watching a docu the other week about the murder of pc Keith Blakelock during the Broadwater Farm Estate riots, seemingly the rioters had tried to cut off his head, horrific.

 

[TickTockMan]

Protests just don’t suddenly happen right out the gate when people have issue with something, it’s because no one is listening and nothing is being doen about it. So then people protest, then they’re met with criticism and being told “Maybe if you were more peaceful, people would listen.” That’s not the case, they don’t care because it’s not happening to them.

And that is my point. They are doing this to allies. This has the potential to lose supporters, not make them.


And some of those they don't want included are LGBT people.

 

[TickTockMan]

I advise you to share your ideas cuz when peaceful protest doesn't work the next step is civil disobedience and then outright rioting. We're only gonna take so much more.

First off I have no problem with protests. I help with them all the time.


I feel the smarter way to deal with this is getting a booth at pride and share our history. Maybe print up pamphlets and hand them out in pride and along the parade route. March in the parade itself with a huge banner making your case.

I don’t know maybe they have tried these and more. It just seems to me they are more actively trying to get people to do what they want, that they may be pissing off those already on their side.


Case in point years ago I was in Portland. Usually something that took minutes took an hour because the fire department was raising money for charity. They blocked the roads and turned many lanes into two lanes. I had donated for years to that charity, but it still pissed me off.


Blocking a parade or traffic in general will turn people off more than get them on your side. You want people on your side, show them why the current way is not working for THEM. In the olden days I understand why protests were so big. These days though you can run social media campaigns to get your point out. Pick random main roads and hold weekly protests that don’t imped anyone. Hold rallies at state capitols. Don’t just talk about people of color and other minorities being killed by police. Show and talk about the poor to middle class people that also get killed and beat. Yes it happens to us minorities more, but my white family didn’t care until I was able to get them a general protest for all minorities. Now they actively argue for those things, because I showed them it could happen to them as well.

Change is usually never fast, but losing support will make it happen a hell of a lot further down the line.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

And that is my point. They are doing this to allies. This has the potential to lose supporters, not make them.

To be frank, a lot of LGBT of color don't view white LGBT as allies, there isn't a ginormous amount of support, the "who cares?" attitude about injustice against people of color that we see here on JUB is pretty common. There is definitely latent racism in the gay white population, when prop 8 passed people here gave themselves carpal tunnel typing up storms, essays and dissertations about how this was a betrayal and "how could black people?" more vitriol than I've ever seen expressed to the US government which for at least a few decades was the single largest anti-LGBT organization, but nobody called that a "white problem" or talked about "homophobic white culture" the way they will the black church or hip-hop culture, and it goes both ways, i asked those same "Why don't they support us?" critics when's the last time they concerned themselves with anything black besides penis and the answer was crickets.

Mind you, I know some wonderful white gay people whose friendships I treasure, but culturally speaking I feel like the only thing white LGBT want from black men is dick. They don't care about our problems, they don't seriously date us, we're just an explamation point, brag material a la "OMG can you believe I fucked a BLAAAAAAAAAAAAACK guy?" they'll fuck us but won't bring us home to their parents and often times that's because their parents harbor anti-black prejudice that they never cared to challenge. Gay culture continues a long American tradition of fetishizing black men but I can't say I've ever seen a busload of white gays heading into the ghettoes and asking "How can we help?" in this very thread, the response to a protest where nobody got hurt is calling the protestors terrorists and "yeah police brutality might be a bad thing but couldja not interrupt our party?" unfortunately the ones who do get it, who do care, are being drowned out by the ones who pretty much give black LGBT the middle finger at every opportunity. I don't call it out but there are a few friendly guys here who I'm surprised are calmly buddy buddy with members who make it crystal clear that they harbor ill feelings towards people of color. Not in a being the bigger person kinda way but in a "It doesn't bug me that you're a racist POS" kinda way. it's all very strange. I've had black friends who were racist towards white people, I didn't invite them to go go-carting I cut them all the way the fuck off, because that's disgusting.

 

[TickTockMan]

To be frank, a lot of LGBT of color don't view white LGBT as allies, there isn't a ginormous amount of support, the "who cares?" attitude about injustice against people of color that we see here on JUB is pretty common. There is definitely latent racism in the gay white population, when prop 8 passed people here gave themselves carpal tunnel typing up storms, essays and dissertations about how this was a betrayal and "how could black people?" more vitriol than I've ever seen expressed to the US government which for at least a few decades was the single largest anti-LGBT organization, but nobody called that a "white problem" or talked about "homophobic white culture" the way they will the black church or hip-hop culture, and it goes both ways, i asked those same "Why don't they support us?" critics when's the last time they concerned themselves with anything black besides penis and the answer was crickets.

Mind you, I know some wonderful white gay people whose friendships I treasure, but culturally speaking I feel like the only thing white LGBT want from black men is dick. They don't care about our problems, they don't seriously date us, we're just an explamation point, brag material a la "OMG can you believe I fucked a BLAAAAAAAAAAAAACK guy?" they'll fuck us but won't bring us home to their parents and often times that's because their parents harbor anti-black prejudice that they never cared to challenge. Gay culture continues a long American tradition of fetishizing black men but I can't say I've ever seen a busload of white gays heading into the ghettoes and asking "How can we help?" in this very thread, the response to a protest where nobody got hurt is calling the protestors terrorists and "yeah police brutality might be a bad thing but couldja not interrupt our party?" unfortunately the ones who do get it, who do care, are being drowned out by the ones who pretty much give black LGBT the middle finger at every opportunity. I don't call it out but there are a few friendly guys here who I'm surprised are calmly buddy buddy with members who make it crystal clear that they harbor ill feelings towards people of color. Not in a being the bigger person kinda way but in a "It doesn't bug me that you're a racist POS" kinda way. it's all very strange. I've had black friends who were racist towards white people, I didn't invite them to go go-carting I cut them all the way the fuck off, because that's disgusting.

I get where you are coming from, but I think the first mistake they are making is making it just a PoC problem.

Most people are selfish at least to a point so make it about all of us. Make it about it could happen to them. Make it so it could happen to someone they care about.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I get where you are coming from, but I think the first mistake they are making is making it just a PoC problem.

Most people are selfish at least to a point so make it about all of us. Make it about it could happen to them. Make it so it could happen to someone they care about.

That's my new song, since it's clear some just don't give a fuck because they're immune FOR NOW I let them know it's not going to be a long reach for this to start happening to everybody and when it reaches that point it'll probably be too late to stop the train.

This shouldn't be a PoC problem, as someone wiser than me [in fact it might've been you] said, this is a matter of fairness and justice, period.

 

[LilBit]

I get where you are coming from, but I think the first mistake they are making is making it just a PoC problem.

Most people are selfish at least to a point so make it about all of us. Make it about it could happen to them. Make it so it could happen to someone they care about.

The police have a long track record of treating LGBTQ people (regardless of race) pretty badly. It's NOT just a PoC problem. I know plenty of white queer people who are jut as scared of the police as Black Americans are.

 

[opinterph]

(From linked article)

EDMONTON — A group of protesters blocked the Edmonton Pride Parade on Saturday afternoon to make a series of demands to the organizers

RCMP, military want 'more dialogue' after being banned from future Edmonton Pride parades (CBC News; June 10, 2018)

Politicians weigh in on move to ban police, military from Edmonton Pride Parade (The Canadian Press; June 11, 2018)

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Edmonton police officers won't be wearing uniforms for Pride parade (Canada.com; May 22, 2018)​

 

[SeaCore]

Forming a blockade is not a peaceful protest.

Wait— Then what is it?

 

[opinterph]

Pride parades were once demonstrations to demand acceptance into society. Odd to see one used to demand society's exclusion.

… good thing you weren't overdramatic with the thread title or anything.

Who created this thread and chose its title?

 

[Stef]

Big mistake - it means a lot for teens to see military and police are also openly gay and proud to march - the kind of people in the march are not the ones who make police policy - who are these people who think they can hold Pride to ransome?

 

[opinterph]

Disgusting self hatred to block the parade.

To me, the motivation for blocking the parade seems the opposite of what you suggest.

 

[opinterph]

I would note that this year in Toronto, the anger over the mass murder spree that went largely ignored and mishandled by the police would make it pretty difficult to welcome officers in uniform.

Did the mass murder spree involve the LGBTQ community?

 

[opinterph]

BLM wants to stop police and military presence in Gay Pride and also demand more representation om these pride committees. I dont understand the correlation.

Speaking of correlations, BLM had nothing to do with the Edmonton incident. It was a group of about a dozen individuals who labeled themselves QTIBPOC.

 

[opinterph]

Pro-white gay, not pro-gay. Pro-gay includes black and latino

Did the Edmonton Pride Festival Society ban only white police from future pride parades?

 

[opinterph]

I advise you to share your ideas cuz when peaceful protest doesn't work the next step is civil disobedience and then outright rioting. We're only gonna take so much more.

Are you speaking on behalf of the QTIBPOC?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Are you speaking on behalf of the QTIBPOC?

It is obvious he is speaking in general terms about a behaviour that consistently happens.

People ask to be heard, they aren’t, they protest. People still don’t listen, get frustrated with the protestors, and protestors get frustrated because people still aren’t listening to them and because of that more frurstration builds, which leads to civil disobedience and rioting.

I don’t understand the questioning of speaking for the group has to do with anything.