On-Topic Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

[Sausy]

That it has such support from the powers that be on both sides is a clear signal we shouldn't trust their judgment. It's awful enough companies have the ability to snoop, but most do it only to advance its customer base, intrusive and annoying as it is. When our government takes to that activity itself, even saying and believing it's benign and meant only to protect our security, our best interests... it can easily twist itself into abuse. We have all this new technology around the corner with implants, imagine us being susceptible to having our actions probed from within our own bodies. Essentially a government that is too politically unwilling to label terrorism precisely that in the Fort Hood case... deeming it as "workplace violence".. a government that constantly missed the signals about the brothers who attacked in Boston, for whatever reason... they just want us to think it fine and dandy that essentially 300 million Americans are suspects... we need to make sure they know they work for us, NOT the other way around. The candidate Obama assured us he wasn't going to tolerate reducing freedom, invading privacy to protect our security. As president, that lying sack of shit in this and just about EVERYTHING he's said, has gone back on his word completely. Stew in your own shit, here.

 

[opinterph]

I'm going to respond to Opinterph's now-gone post

Problem Resolution​

 

[Laufey]

'It will be considered': Russia hints that Putin may grant political asylum to whistleblower Edward Snowden

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tical-asylum-whistleblower.html#ixzz2VwOnLYXm

 

[Corny]

Meanwhile the guy disappeared. Apparently he signed out of the hotel right after the interview. Maybe it was just a ruse and he had tickets to get out of HK all the time?

 

[palbert]

I can't help but believe that the Guardian has him as safe as he can be.

 

[Laufey]

Maybe he's already on his way to a country he wants to apply for an asylum in.

 

[Sausy]

'It will be considered': Russia hints that Putin may grant political asylum to whistleblower Edward Snowden

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tical-asylum-whistleblower.html#ixzz2VwOnLYXm

His message is important but should he wind up in Russia, with that disgusting human rights demolishing Putin in charge...it would destroy any credibility he has. I strongly would urge him not to consider the offer.

 

[Laufey]

Yeah I'm really pissed the government here hasn't responded yet.

The media here is all over this and everybody are talking about it... but the government seems to be ignoring it.

 

[Telstra]

Yeah I'm really pissed the government here hasn't responded yet.

The media here is all over this and everybody are talking about it... but the government seems to be ignoring it.

Is Iceland has any trade much with the US ?
if yes, the government has much to fear.

 

[frankfrank]

5. Our government has lied to us for years, decades even, Our government lies to each other. NSA has been lying to congress about what information it collects. Congress lies to the people about what the NSA tells them, and just about everything else too. I trust congress (democrat or Republican) as far as I can throw them.

I agree with your post entirely.

And I don't even trust Congress as far as I can throw a grand piano.

'It will be considered': Russia hints that Putin may grant political asylum to whistleblower Edward Snowden

No, no, DON'T even think about it. I don't even trust Russia as far as I can throw Congress (which is far larger and bulkier than a grand piano). Russia granting asylum could even be a ruse, for nothing more than to get Snowden on Russian soil and eagerly extradite him to the United States.

Sausy is also correct from a second point of view (i.e., in my analysis of the same thing, Russia isn't that much different from the old Soviet Union now, except that they're not about to unilaterally and imperialistically seize fifteen surrounding sovereign nations as they did in the 20th Century - the only real difference I can see).

 

[Laufey]

Is Iceland has any trade much with the US ?
if yes, the government has much to fear.

About 5% of our export and 10% of our import.

 

[Yuki Sohma]

Edward like Brad is in a boat load of trouble. I wish them both well.

 

[Telstra]

EDWARD SNOWDEN IS A HERO

 

[Telstra]

It isn't deplorable behavior. And it has been known for quite some time.



http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm

This is not new and it isn't really news.

While Snowden chose a single thing to release; I still think he should go to prison. He had deeper access than your average player as a Sys Ad but he also signed away his rights to divulge such things. This will go away once the media is done holding Obama's feet to the fire. Although, to be quite honest this hasn't really affected the white house at all so far.

In fact he has defenders from both sides of the aisle...



So wow weeee... two almost impossibly opposed Senators agree this is worthwhile as a program and legal. Hmmm. Weird... I wonder who elected those fuckers.... the stupid people. lol


SO here is a goofy question for all of you end of the world people... the government is getting this from private corporations. SO what you are saying is that it is ok for Apple or Google or ATT to track your every movement but not for the government to look for terrorist movements in that same pile. What a crock of shit.

Its not the same. Say Prostitution and porn are illegal.
You are already guilty and caught by this spy network. What is your defense ?

 

[Kulindahr]

Ehhhmmm he was letting the public know something which was being kept away from them.

How the hell is that betrayal?

The US government is betraying it's people and it's important to speak out about it.

It's sad that the nation which the whole world looked up to in the past has sunk so low.

How have I been betrayed by my government? Please tell me.

I don't give a shit if they track who I'm calling. I'm not doing anything illegal.

Please tell me how my government has betrayed me.

And one word of advice to you: tell your politicians that if you accept Snowden, the US government will try to step on Iceland like a cockroach to get him here.

Obviously you didn't listen to the video.

It doesn't matter if you've never done anything wrong. Police types, and intelligence types more so, are trained in making the most innocent things look evil -- so if someone in government decides they don't like you, it doesn't matter if you're more pure than Mother Teresa's guardian angel, they'll sift through everything you've ever said and make a case showing you're an enemy of the public. It's why Supreme Court justices have advised to never answer any question from the police: whatever you say, it will be twisted and used against you, and not a single thing that might show in your favor will be heard.

Are you friggin' serious?

I've never worked for the NSA, but I'm sure they have safeguards in place to prevent these kinds of leaks. What do you think would happen to our intelligence agencies if they don't go after people that leak information?

The responses...my goodness. I'm trying to think of good things about the gay community, but people are making it hard.

Maybe our intelligence agencies would realize that they have to respect our rights?

 

[Kulindahr]

And LL, apparently a lot of Americans care. Just because you're not one of them, it doesn't mean that they don't exist.

Exactly. Some of us still believe in liberty.

 

[Kulindahr]

LMAO. The thread is about Edward Snowden...then you should have never responded to Jack Springer's post. You only responded because you had to. Now, that I too have called you on it, you're suddenly interested in this thread being "On-Topic."

So obvious...

Now you want to clean this thread up. My goodness...funny how that worked out.

BTW, this thread is about Snowden, NSA AND government transparency. So, even the question about Nazi Germany is relevant.

Smooches!

I want posters to see this. Corny is asking for backup now to clean up an argument he lost.

Whoa -- you're deciding what a thread someone else started is about, and adding to its purpose things he didn't state in the opening post? And you're jumping on Corny for being nice about things (as opposed to just deleting your posts and letting us all know there was a crybaby issue)?

Like I said... MOST AMERICANS DON'T QUESTION THE NSA'S DOING. 56% of Americans agree with the NSA's work. Is it then a stretch to say that most Americans believe he's a criminal?

http://www.people-press.org/2013/06...ne-tracking-as-acceptable-anti-terror-tactic/

I'm stuck on this guy, but nonetheless, I hope the government gets his ass. The BBC has an article called "The Rise of the Nerd." Well, it should be called "The Rise of the Narcissistic Nerd."

Here: Most Americans Agree with Me. [Text: Removed] I am speaking for most Americans.

You're wrong: according to the sources you gave, most Americans do NOT agree with you, they agree with Snowden (his views, if not his actions). The issue isn't whether, given court orders, the NSA can track the communications of Americans believed to be connected with terrorist activities -- that's what most Americans think is fine -- but whether, without any court approval at all, the NSA can record and keep on file all your email, all your text messages, all your phone calls, all your faxes, and a lot more, along with those of numerous citizens of our allies, not just of known criminals and suspects.

 

[Kulindahr]

Agree Jack. I'm not sure why so many people on this forum have trouble understanding what a whistleblower is.

This guy released very limited information that was directly related to a specific act by the government that he is alleging may have been illegal. That is what a whistleblower is.

Manning released huge volumes of data on everything he could access from the classified networks he had access to just because he could.

Actually Manning released it because he thought his government was doing wrong, and knew that there was no way to be a whistleblower without being disappeared permanently.

 

[evanrick]

I agree with Assange that in time all the whistle-blowers will be looked upon favorably by history because they have already altered the direction of our perception and discussion on warrantless wiretapping and domestic spying. If the whistleblowers are brought to court, the government will have to use a defenseless position of 'take our word for it', which is not defensible because it cannot be proven one way or another. Its not a position the government wants to be in, having to defend their practices before a court where the public can see.

If you look at John Boehner who has called Snowden a traitor, I would say Boehner is the traitor because he held our country hostage over the debt ceiling. Then you have Cantor appearing on CBS when hes fully behind the tea party, like he has any credibility on anything with a 6% approval rating. Snowden isnt making demands like Boehner and Cantor did. Get real folks.

Its amazing to see the media take republicans at their word, especially on matters of national security, where they have proven to be a disaster at defending the country.

 

[Kulindahr]

I consider Snowden to be one of the greatest patriots that this world has ever known.

I consider Snowden to be possibly the most prominent hero in the world who is currently alive.

Amen, and Amen.

6. Snowden is acting as a responsible American should.

Absolutely.

While Snowden chose a single thing to release; I still think he should go to prison. He had deeper access than your average player as a Sys Ad but he also signed away his rights to divulge such things. This will go away once the media is done holding Obama's feet to the fire. Although, to be quite honest this hasn't really affected the white house at all so far.

One cannot sign away the right to be a patriot.

SO here is a goofy question for all of you end of the world people... the government is getting this from private corporations. SO what you are saying is that it is ok for Apple or Google or ATT to track your every movement but not for the government to look for terrorist movements in that same pile. What a crock of shit.

Who here has said it's okay for the companies to do this? My position has always been that if they're going to collect data on their customers, they should have to pay for every piece -- say, fifty cents per item of information, every time it's used or shared.

BTW, like LostLover, you're being deceptive about the issue: it isn't that they're looking for terrorists, it's that they're looking at everything everyone does, and saving it all in archives -- where it can, and at their whim, will be used against you.