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On-Topic Edward Snowden: NSA Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

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The Guardian publishes an article on and Q&A with Edward Snowden, the whistleblower of the telephone metadata and PRISM leaks.

Edward Snowden went public on his own volition.

I do not expect to see home again.
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I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance (article)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why (Q&A)
 
Re: Edward Snowden: Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

Much respect to this man. Like Manning, it's another young guy - but there are many difference between them. It's somewhat encouraging, that even after the digital revolution, there are still tech guys with a backbone and decency. The very ethical hackers and their moral codex of yesterday managed to pass their values to the next generation.

Just look what he did. He knew exactly what he is getting himself into. And he still did it. How many of us would pay that price?
 
Re: Edward Snowden: Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

I say more power to him. I may or may not agree with him but I respect his stepping forward to promote debate of one of the most covert activities of our time.

The Guardian's source for the leaks from the National Security Agency has outed himself as 29-year-old Edward Snowden, a high school drop-out who later tried to join the U.S. Armed Forces and developed a knack for digital security systems, leading to his most recent position as a $200,000 a year NSA-contractor with Booz Allen Hamilton based in Hawaii. Snowden left the U.S. and stationed himself in Hong Kong in advance of his planned campaign of top secret document leaks, and is hoping to be granted asylum in Iceland, according to a Sunday bombshell report in The Guardian by Glenn Greenwald, Ewan MacAskill and Laura Poitrass.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-edward-snowden-the-nsa-whistleblower/276688/
 
From the Q&A
(very recommended to read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why)

Q: Does your family know you are planning this?
A: "No. My family does not know what is happening … My primary fear is that they will come after my family, my friends, my partner. Anyone I have a relationship with …
I will have to live with that for the rest of my life. I am not going to be able to communicate with them. They [the authorities] will act aggressively against anyone who has known me. That keeps me up at night."
Q: Washington-based foreign affairs analyst Steve Clemons said he overheard at the capital's Dulles airport four men discussing an intelligence conference they had just attended. Speaking about the leaks, one of them said, according to Clemons, that both the reporter and leaker should be "disappeared". How do you feel about that?
A: "Someone responded to the story said 'real spies do not speak like that'. Well, I am a spy and that is how they talk. Whenever we had a debate in the office on how to handle crimes, they do not defend due process – they defend decisive action. They say it is better to kick someone out of a plane than let these people have a day in court. It is an authoritarian mindset in general."
Q: Do you have a plan in place?
A: "The only thing I can do is sit here and hope the Hong Kong government does not deport me … My predisposition is to seek asylum in a country with shared values. The nation that most encompasses this is Iceland. They stood up for people over internet freedom. I have no idea what my future is going to be.
"They could put out an Interpol note. But I don't think I have committed a crime outside the domain of the US. I think it will be clearly shown to be political in nature."
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Also he was earning $200k+/year - I guess nobody can tell us this guy did it out of spite.
 
The 'War on Terror' provided governments around the globe with the perfect opportunity to intrude more and more into the lives of citizens under the guise of keeping us all safe. The cost is too high.

Good for the whistleblowers.
 
He will now be a prime target for the United States to get hold of, however they can, behind the scenes, making a deal with Hong Kong to hand him over, where he will then be put under 'special' U.S. military tribunal for automatic life imprisonment, assuming he avoids the death penalty. Plus, as usual, the U.S. will try to justify their actions by pushing the fear factor and peddle it as 'saving lives' - while ramping up the police-state mentality.

Here's a thought for EVERYONE at CE&P - what I see with each passing decade is a United States getting slowly, further and further, ever more and more right-wing - REGARDLESS of the President in power. All this pro-Obama vs. anti-Obama talk is a smokescreen - his and successive administrations just re-endorse this view.

This and the revisionist pro-capitalist proganda that's handing power in your country over to corporations, the dumbing down of your people so they fall for any presentation of fear no matter how stupid, and the systematic stigmatisation of low-paid workers and the poor for not having money.

I frankly get sick of the United States sometimes. Put that in your oh-so-closed-minded and blandly irrelevant CE&P Rep vs. Dem 'arguments' and smoke it.
 
^ The government here certainly knows hot to spell "G-U-A-N-T-A-M-..."

CF, you are probably fortunate to live where you do. Here, I live almost in the center of the country that you're observing, and I see a LOT of the same aspects that you're noticing.

As for the irreverent Democrat versus Republican argument, you're generally right - the trajectories of both Parties are heading toward the same ultimate goal. The only difference is that the Republican highway is the motorway, and the Democrat highway is the old two-lane which hugs the coastline.

The Supreme Court is now on the verge of possibly taking away the people's right to vote.
 
We see it as an inexorable move toward the left. Remember, in Communist Romania, all telephone calls went through a central station where the government could listen to any call. And, everyone was limited to about 1400 calories of food per day. Communist regimes always work to reduce religion in people's lives. Of course, corporations and private profits are hated there as here. Schools teach the equivalent of political correctness. Health care is controlled by the government. Progressive income taxes were specified in the Communist Manifesto. Sounds great,huh?
 
I used to support Obama's administration but
now i have changed my mind because of recent events.

Obama should be sacked or impeached .
 
Is CNN now similar to fox news?
Instead of talking about the morality of spying, they talk about how to capture Edward Snowden. :mad:

 
frankfrank said:
Or, perhaps in that three-dimensional part of the continuum, where far left meets far right.

Generally, far left and far right totalitarian regimes behave *PRECISELY* the same way.
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Perhaps you should join us in attempting to stem the tide. What you call far right was the large center several decades ago, probably within your life time.
 
This guy, different from Manning, sorted that which he released and did so for a reasonable cause of national discourse on the subject of data mining by our government. He revealed nothing that wasn't available years ago but re-ignited the debate that can hopefully result in a national consensus on HOW we go about working through the current information overloaded world.

Again, he is entirely different than Manning.
 
I applaud FrankFrank for knowing politics. Extreme political poles have the same goals but use different mechanisms to achieve them.

If Manning wasn't in a military capacity, there would be a much different opinion towards him.
 
If Obama stopped this (and he was against it as a Senator) and there was just a MINOR attack--- the butt fuck gop would impeach his ass---PERIOD---big time libertarian Sen Paul included----the problem with Bush administration's total incompetence is--- because they didn't stop 9/11 the genie is now out of the bottle forever---and spying is going to be with us for some time--because we can't afford these assholes releasing some radioactive shit in a major city--it's not like in the global digital age you aren't being watched all the time---liberals and libertarians are against this---but as much as I hate the idea I see no way around it.
 
Re: Edward Snowden: Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

Corny said:
Much respect to this man. Like Manning, it's another young guy - but there are many difference between them. It's somewhat encouraging, that even after the digital revolution, there are still tech guys with a backbone and decency. The very ethical hackers and their moral codex of yesterday managed to pass their values to the next generation.

Just look what he did. He knew exactly what he is getting himself into. And he still did it. How many of us would pay that price?
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And, what if it comes out that Americans don't give a shit about what Snowden tried to expose? What, if most Americans, want him arrested?

You say he has a "backbone and decency." I'm pretty sure Americans don't give a shit about what he thought he was exposing. If Americans don't give a shit (and I could be wrong), what did his "backbone and decency" do, then?

And what consequence is this to you? How do these revelations affect you in Germany? Please elaborate. (I'm going to guess that you won't respond to these questions.)
 
The hypocrisy will be shown on Faux news for the next week when they laud him as a hero. If this was under BUsh,they would demand he go to jail.
 
Re: Edward Snowden: Whistleblower Revealed, Interview

Lostlover said:
And, what if it comes out that Americans don't give a shit about what Snowden tried to expose? What, if most Americans, want him arrested?

You say he has a "backbone and decency." I'm pretty sure Americans don't give a shit about what he thought he was exposing. If Americans don't give a shit (and I could be wrong), what did his "backbone and decency" do, then?

And what consequence is this to you? How do these revelations affect you in Germany? Please elaborate. (I'm going to guess that you won't respond to these questions.)
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Wow, you would rather a spineless corrupt world to live in? You'd love to report your neighbour for wearing socks with sandals to the fashion police I'd bet.
 
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