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[kallipolis]

maybe for some but suicide bombers and holy crusades show what can happen if you do blindly follow

This is about religious fanaticism. Not faith. The Nazis and The Communists also contributed to their share of political fanaticism, and as a result millions of people were cruelly killed.

Human beings have an easy willingness to be fanatical, whether as religious extremists, or revolutionaries or, as the representatives of a new world order (The Nazis).

 

[kallipolis]

Is it possible for you to avoid death? Or is it just not possible yet?
yes it is possible

That you believe it is possible for the human being to avoid death, does oblige me to ask you whether your belief is based on faith that everything is possible, or on the basis of empirical scientific research? If it is the latter, then a citation to this research would be appreciated.
I do not include cryo-genetics as rational research.

 

[kallipolis]

Someone should tell the fanatics that they're given faith a bad name.

I believe that all fanatics, of all persuasions have given faith a bad name.

I have no doubt that fanatics are often informed of their less than humane behaviour.

 

[kallipolis]

But, within the logic of their own applied faith, they are justified, regardless of how the rest of the world may view their faith.

And remember, faith is NOT supposed to be challenged, but, respected because, well, it's one's belief and THAT must be accorded all respect possible, even if it means people die

Faith in a religious culture of belief, is religion and not faith in the creator. This faith could as easily be applied to a political philosophy such as Nazism or Communism, which created the same inhumane results as religious fanaticism.

That would be your definition of faith in the creator. Not mine. Faith can be rationalised by a person of faith, when living in faith. But I agree that such faith can not be intellectually justified, for the benefit of those who are not living in faith.

 

[kallipolis]

read his statement kall, as a statement of faith in future possibility.

In my experience it is all about now. For in faith life becomes the here and now, with time being of no relevant impact on the life of the person of faith. Of course I will qualify this by saying that I live with other people, and therefore for my work and social life must comply with the norms of civilised society.

 

[kallipolis]

We LIVE in the now, we LOOK to the future, we RUMinate on the past.

In fact many people anchor them selves into their past, where they permit their past damaging experiences to incarcerate them into the past, with all the consequences impacting on their current life.

The future can so often be realised by our today's decisions.

There's no certainty, no guarantee of ANY kind of future, or at least, a future we would LIKE to unfold regarding either our personal life, or globally, but we plan
notwithstanding.

This confirms my earlier point, that there is only now.

Goals, dreams, aims, aspirations, all very much part of our humanity.

Dreams are an essential part of our attempts to improve and create a life worth living for.

 

[_AJ_]

maybe for some but suicide bombers and holy crusades show what can happen if you do blindly follow

This is about religious fanaticism. Not faith. The Nazis and The Communists also contributed to their share of political fanaticism, and as a result millions of people were cruelly killed.

Human beings have an easy willingness to be fanatical, whether as religious extremists, or revolutionaries or, as the representatives of a new world order (The Nazis).

when do you get to the point of being a fanatic though it seems its easier to dismiss these things rather than deal with the problem and yet there is a problem
you want to stop them being a fanatic and possibly hurting people but you cant go to there level brainwashing intimidation are wrong very wrong

everyone has the right to believe what they want yet that is not the case and never has been even now if you believe something different from the majority you are belittled intimidated and derided
but what people should be doing is listening to other points of view even if there completely wrong like red bull and vodka makes speed

then you can tell them what is true or what you believe and even i there angry or upset you know there going to go and check it later and hopefully they or you or i could learn something but this does not happen if you dont keep your eyes open maybe you ears to

 

[kallipolis]

God hates fags and fags should be killed in the name of Jesus Christ, our loving Saviour. Faith or fanaticism?

Quoting Fred Phelps does add a certain quality to this discussion.

I am happy to know that you have a personal relationship with God, to enable you to know how the sublime thinks on such matters. I wouldn't presume to be so blessed, with a connection to the infinite.

 

[kallipolis]

when do you get to the point of being a fanatic though it seems its easier to dismiss these things rather than deal with the problem and yet there is a problem
you want to stop them being a fanatic and possibly hurting people but you cant go to there level brainwashing intimidation are wrong very wrong

everyone has the right to believe what they want yet that is not the case and never has been even now if you believe something different from the majority you are belittled intimidated and derided
but what people should be doing is listening to other points of view even if there completely wrong like red bull and vodka makes speed

then you can tell them what is true or what you believe and even i there angry or upset you know there going to go and check it later and hopefully they or you or i could learn something but this does not happen if you dont keep your eyes open maybe you ears to

Inhumane and criminally insane behaviour is not monopolised by religious and/or political fanatics.

The prisons pay testimony to the many people who commit acts of violence against their fellow man, purely for gain or as a means to satisfy their urge to address their suffering ego.

In the case of the Islamic fanatics it is clear that their cause is political, and not religious. We should be wary of being manipulated by labelling, and look beneath the surface so as to learn the real reasons for such fanatical behaviour.

 

[_AJ_]

Is it possible for you to avoid death? Or is it just not possible yet?
yes it is possible

That you believe it is possible for the human being to avoid death, does oblige me to ask you whether your belief is based on faith that everything is possible, or on the basis of empirical scientific research? If it is the latter, then a citation to this research would be appreciated.
I do not include cryo-genetics as rational research.

its a bit of both really as well as the possibility of something strange happening

i would go as far as to say before i die probably all organs in the human body will be able to be replaced the only problem i really see is the brain which is more complicated and much more prone to damage over time and i only have one so they would have to make a new one and transfer me over i guess

so by that yeah i think its possible probably not in my lifetime but that does not make it impossible its all about time

 

[kallipolis]

And many also derive strength and purpose and pride from their past and it drives them to achieve and succeed in the now

That would be a positive result, and to be considered as regular behaviour. I am concerned with those persons who are more likely to dwell in their past damaging experiences and all that will mean for their current life.

Those over which we have control. There are just as many variables out there impacting on us that we DON'T have control over, supposed superior intelligence intelligence notwithstanding.

I agree that there are so many unknowns that will impact upon our life, thus beyond our influence. I am more focussed on those matters where my input will impact positively on my future. In other words dealing with matters that are within my direct influence.

I was never contending that. However, IN the now, we plan for the to-be-now.

We are of one mind.

Undoubtedly, but dreams are still dreams until the realization of those dreams, hopefully, becomes The Now, that to which we put our hands to in-the-now to bring about the future we hope will be The Now we dream of. Nothing wrong with looking to a future we desire to at some point, become The Now.

A famous man said that our life is made of those matters, that can comfortably be realised within the thought that prompts us to dream our dreams of better days to come.

 

[kallipolis]

I would never have guessed you believe that of yourself, judging by your previous posts. But thank you.

However, currying my favour won't do you any good. I'll still have Daddy cast you into the lake of fire.

More red herrings? I recommend that you vary your diet.

How could I not see the good in you? For man is made of sugar and spice, and all things nice. I'll bet that you are finger, licking good.

 

[kallipolis]

its a bit of both really as well as the possibility of something strange happening

i would go as far as to say before i die probably all organs in the human body will be able to be replaced the only problem i really see is the brain which is more complicated and much more prone to damage over time and i only have one so they would have to make a new one and transfer me over i guess

so by that yeah i think its possible probably not in my lifetime but that does not make it impossible its all about time


The realm of possibility does encourage us to believe that we can achieve so much more than even our dreams dare to suggest. Nevertheless it is also prudent to recognise that the human senses do limit the human being's perception of reality. Whereas faith enables the human person to break the chains of human logic, to where reason is magnified beyond the perceptions normally associated with human rational thinking.

 

[kallipolis]

I'm not sure you quite understand the meaning of that idiom.

A red herring is a diversionary tactic, introduced to obviate a need to address the topic or a question, under discussion.

 

[kallipolis]

Then what's so difficult about your understanding that I employed sarcasm in response to your own?

I'll spell it out. You said I have a pipeline to god/the infinite/whatever you decide it is at the moment. I played that to mean I agree. That is not a red herring; I introduced nothing to sidetrack this silliness. You, though, repeatedly introduce "red herring" as a red herring. It didn't work in the other thread, and it won't work in this one.

I was referring to your tactics on the other forum, where you employed diversionary tactics.

I thank you and our other friends for their time and thoughts, but it is a very fine Friday evening here in Piraeus and at 2108 I am now bound for a taverna with some friends.