Epstein, Epstein, Epstein . . . but don't give up

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[NotHardUp1]

Of course Trump whored around, and likely used Epstein's services.

But teens are not children in pedophile terms. Using "Pedo" to make political points is lying just as much as MAGA, or Marjorie Taylor Green, or Fox.

You don't win when you simply sling mud both directions. You simply ensure the entire system is going to stay broken.

American doesn't need a left just as depraved and dishonest as the right.

You fight lies with truth, not equal lies. Trump is no pedophile. Neither is Biden.

 

[rareboy]

As expected, the US public has no appetite fo anything other than some sound bytes andthe next big news story.

Really not much different than how a school shooting is treated except this time it is a lot of white billionaires sinking the story.

 

[KaraBulut]

As expected, the US public has no appetite fo anything other than some sound bytes andthe next big news story.

Really not much different than how a school shooting is treated except this time it is a lot of white billionaires sinking the story.

The Democrats had some consultant tell them that they should drop the Epstein stuff and run their 2026 election on the Big Beautiful Bill.

We'll see what happens when the House returns from their oh-so-generous summer vacation.

 

[rareboy]

Because they can't do two things at once.

 

[KaraBulut]

Something that Trump just reminded us all of today: Virginia Giuffre, one of the women trafficked by Maxwell and Epstein was recruited from the spa at Mar-A-Lago, where she was a 16 year old summer employee.

Today, changed his story. Again.

• This time, Trump claimed that he cut Epstein out of his group of friends after Epstein "stole" employees from Mar-A-Lago. That's yet another lie. Giuffre was recruited from Mar-A-Lago in 2000.
• Trump's birthday letter to Epstein was in 2003.
• Trump and Epstein were still friends in late 2002. Trump described Epstein as a "terrific guy" in a New York magazine article headlined "Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery," on 28-Oct-2002

There's no end to the connections between Trump, Maxwell and Epstein and the women that Epstein exploited.

Trump Said Epstein ‘Stole’ Virginia Giuffre From His Employment

Trump told reporters Monday he cut ties with Epstein because he poached his workers.

www.forbes.com

Giuffre was working at Mar-a-Lago in 2000 when she was recruited to work as Epstein’s personal masseuse and later groomed by Epstein and his convicted co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell to have sex with their wealthy circle, according to a deposition Giuffre gave that was made public in 2019

Previous reports have suggested Trump and Epstein cut ties when Trump outbid Epstein for a Palm Beach mansion in 2004. The 2020 book, Grifter’s Club, also claimed Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago because Epstein made advances toward another member’s teenage daughter.

 

[rareboy]

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[rareboy]

 

[rareboy]

 

[unloadonme]

I'm not overly familiar with the Maxwell prosecution, but I don't think the perjury charges were ever tried. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

 

[KaraBulut]

I'm not overly familiar with the Maxwell prosecution, but I don't think the perjury charges were ever tried. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

The Giuffre family does have moral high ground to label Maxwell a perjurer. In addition to the criminal charges against Epstein and Maxwell for their trafficking of women, there were also civil lawsuits. Maxwell was known to have committed perjury during depositions in those civil lawsuits. The perjury was significant enough that she was charged with perjury.

Why was she never convicted of perjury? Because her lawyer entered into yet another deal with the prosecutors. In exchange for Maxwell dropping her appeals on the criminal charges for sex trafficking of minors that she had been convicted, the prosecutors dropped her perjury charges, so Maxwell avoided being tried on perjury charges.

Ghislaine Maxwell Speaks With DOJ: What To Know About Her Alleged Perjury About Epstein

Critics have raised concerns that Maxwell could be untruthful in order to help her own case.

www.forbes.com

Why Was Ghislaine Maxwell Charged With Perjury?

Maxwell was charged with perjury based on answers she gave in a 2016 deposition regarding Epstein’s alleged abuse and her own complicity. The indictment against her cited multiple comments she made denying any knowledge of Epstein’s alleged abuse: When asked if Epstein had a “scheme to recruit underage girls for sexual massages,” she responded, “I don’t know what you’re talking about,” for instance, and she said she “was not aware of anybody that I interacted with” at Epstein’s properties being underage, other than a plaintiff involved in the civil lawsuit. Maxwell also testified under oath she was not aware of any “sex toys or devices” being used at Epstein’s properties, and that she had never personally given Epstein or any of his victims a massage. She also claimed she was unaware of Epstein engaging in “sexual activities” with anyone besides herself and two women she and Epstein had “three-way sexual activities with,” saying in her deposition, “I wasn't aware that he was having sexual activities with anyone when I was with him other than myself.” When asked again by attorneys to confirm that her testimony was that she was “not aware” of Epstein having any other sexual partners, Maxwell doubled down, saying, “That is my testimony, that is correct.” Her statements conflict with charges in the indictment that Maxwell was later convicted on, which alleged Maxwell conducted massages and was “present for and participated in the abuse of minor victims,” among other allegations.

Maxwell, under oath, lied when she claimed no knowledge of crimes that she was found guilty of and that Epstein was charged with.

 

[rareboy]

 

[KaraBulut]

The interview with the family:

Back in the 90s, there was a drone of rumors that wouldn't go away. It all sounded like conspiracies and didn't seem to be connected to a land deal in Arkansas. But then the cum-stained blue dress showed up.

It's hard to know, with QAnon so deep into looney conspiracy theories and religious fantasies, whether there's a "there there". But this family seems to believe that Virginia Guiffre was part of something much bigger and that the full truth hasn't come out yet.

 

[rareboy]

I seriously doubt it will get to them. Trump will just pardon her.

 

[rareboy]

It just will get worse and worse as all the billionaires circle the wagons to support Trump shutting Maxwell up.

And if that is threatened, she'll just be killed.

Simple.

 

[Alistair]

 

[NotHardUp1]

It just will get worse and worse as all the billionaires circle the wagons to support Trump shutting Maxwell up.

And if that is threatened, she'll just be killed.

Simple.

This is too delicious. What a recipe for doom. If they pardon her, they will poison the well of the whole MAGA movement for years. It will be reeling in disarray.

The devil is ultimately a fool, and this devil shows every sign of having drunk is own bathwater.

Now to sit back and watch.

 

[Kulindahr]

 

[Alistair]

 

[Alistair]