Explosives-Packed Car Defused in London

[Andreus]

them damm ferahners is just messin up this here nation of umm

IMIGRANTS???

 

[SoulSearcher]

I hope with this near scare that the british people can wake up and smell the coffee so the speak. Bush isn't their enemy. It's terrorist foreigners (well actually terrorist citizens since they technically have become citizens but never assimilate).

I think they should impose a immigration ban on Pakistan (I can almost guarantee these were Pakistanis or some South Asian in this failed plot). Pakistan needs to clean up their act, so why keep importing from a country that doesn't do as much as they can to fight terror?

I think one thing about America is that most immigrants generally assimilate well here in the states. Our terrorist attacks and near-terrorist attacks have all come by way of foreigners. Britain clearly needs to get their house in order and they can learn a lesson from us.

But I'm going to predict that they won't do anything. They'll keep blaming Bush and America (even though they're equally guilty in the Iraq mess). They will turn a blind eye to terrorism and still point the blame across the Atlantic. And Bush will continue to ignore them and treat them like retarded step children.

It's a vicious cycle of blindness and blissful ignorance.

Yeah, put an immigration ban on Pakistan, yet use their corrupt dictatorship of terrorist Musharraf for the "war on terror", keep using terrorists when convenient, but when they hit home, then get all racist. How about instead of putting a ban on immigration from an entire nation, stop bombing people, stop terrorising others and imposing your will on others, and then we'll see. Britain chose to go to war, even though majority of their citizens were against it. Banning Pakistanis or South Asians will not do anything, terrorism is an idea, and ideas have wings. Stop imperialist wars, stop imposing injustice, stop supporting tyrants, stop your military and economic hegemony on other land, stop state terrorism, and it just might become difficult for defenseless people to resort to "terrorism".

 

[Andreus]

musharraf has caught more terrorists than bush

its so laughable

 

[VICTORIADON]

It's a vicious cycle of blindness and blissful ignorance.

A Bush supporter?

Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction, North Korea and the nuke threat, Iran and their oil, Venezuela and their oil,the Russian Federation and their gas, China and her goods, Canada and her oil and water, the list goes on and on.

Trivia question:

What cuntry with atomic or "new-clar" weapons have actually used them to wipe out civilians?

Hmmm.

 

[chance1]

No, terrorism isn't an accident. But that wasn't my point and you know it. The point is, the chances of you or me getting killed or in any way affected by this specific incident is zero, van, zero. So why does the media throw its blouse open to reveal a scared, ticking little coward-heart every time something like this happens? And how does it help to get all nelly over it? This is life today, this is how we will live for years to come, get used to it.

There are times on the subway when one hears a clunk or a bang and everyone looks at each other like, "Oh Fuck," but they don't wet their dresses, they don't stop riding, they don't stop living, they don't say, "Let's surrender our rights to pervert Bush so we won't be scared anymore." Unless, of course, they're Republicans. Those cowards, well, that's a different ball game.

Not sure I get u

The media should not report an attempted terrorist bombing?

This seems contrary to your daily stated beliefs re: freedom of the press

So, writing about 1 - 3- 5 soldiers dying is ok but an attempted terrorist thwarted is not?

That would seem like agenda driven news no?

Is it every day a car bomb is planted in London?

Paris Hilton getting out of jail is more important?

I agree that life is like this now - and we have to be used to it - if only to stay sane/unafraid

But not reporting it doesn't seem like an answer to me

 

[RandomAccess]

Regarding the earlier posts suggesting a possible link to London Pride, here's London Pride's take on it:
http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2007/06/29/1

Despite gross scare-mongering in some quarters, there's no evidence to suggest that two car bombs defused Friday in London's West End were in any way aimed at Saturday's nearby Pride London parade.
"It is not thought that the device had anything to do with our event, or Canada Day, which takes place today in Trafalgar Square," Pride London said in a statement Friday. . .

They're quite properly downplaying the concept that the attempted bombing was a threat against gays.

 

[JayHawk]

I can see your argument Naked and I adhere mostly to what your saying. I simply would like a explaination why people across the pond accept the breaking of the sacred birth given right we are so fond of in the US. Is it because we not a nation of reformed subjects who kept the govt while they work towards freedom after having a king oh so many years ago? Are we too stuck up for our own safety? We found the Nine 11 folks cuz, well they were on the planes and then took a bit longer to find the masterminds below bin laden. They found and rounded their subway group up in days using their surveillence capabilities that we do not have.

In any event you will as soon relieve all Americans of their rights permanently without argument as you would remove the gun from "mah cold dead hand'. The two groups are at opposite ends of the spectrum in some cases but present the same argument.

 

[JayHawk]

A Bush supporter?

Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction, North Korea and the nuke threat, Iran and their oil, Venezuela and their oil,the Russian Federation and their gas, China and her goods, Canada and her oil and water, the list goes on and on.

Trivia question:

What cuntry with atomic or "new-clar" weapons have actually used them to wipe out civilians?

Hmmm.

Ooh Ooh we have us Americans. We did it. Do I get something? Thats right all the Hondas you can buy, whooo hooo

 

[JayHawk]

Regarding the earlier posts suggesting a possible link to London Pride, here's London Pride's take on it:
http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2007/06/29/1

They're quite properly downplaying the concept that the attempted bombing was a threat against gays.

Thanks 365Gay reported differently. Of course no one would want a huge event with tons of sponsors to go flat. That would means huge monetary losses. LOL

 

[RandomAccess]

Thanks 365Gay reported differently. Of course no one would want a huge event with tons of sponsors to go flat. That would means huge monetary losses. LOL

Um. . . no 365Gay didn't. ("LOL" really? "LOL"? How sad.)

Saturday, London will celebrate Britain's largest LGBT pride. Thousands of people are expected to march through the area, near Piccadilly Circus with tens of thousands more lining the street.

But the parade and the large number of people jammed into the area may not have been the intended target police said.
...
The bombs exploded at the Aldgate station near the Liverpool Street railway terminal, Edgware Road and King's Cross in north London, Old Street in the financial district and Russell Square, near the British Museum.

The area is home to a number of gay clubs and bars.
...
A spokesperson for the Metropolitan Police said there is nothing to indicate terrorists planned to attack gay marchers on Saturday.

Organizers of the pride celebration say the parade will go on as scheduled.

 

[Lostlover]

^ You need to get out of the US and see the world. How's NK sound?

How is North Korea connected to what happened today...? right no connection.

I'm talking about a lot of britons' tendancy to blame Bush for all the disasters in Iraq when they are just as guilty.

Bush however didn't attack them or planted bombs in their streets.

Blaming Bush for all their problems is all the terrorists need. People that blame Bush like this for these terrorist plots are doing the PR work for the terrorists themselves.

 

[Lostlover]

them damm ferahners is just messin up this here nation of umm

IMIGRANTS???

It might not be popular to say, but Pakistan is a terrorist haven.

In addition, that government isn't doing all they can do to help us (yeah and neither is Bush).

And look at all the plots by Pakistani immigrants. I think there have been more potential and actual attacks by Pakistanis than Arabs in the West.

That's not very PC. But if you're fighting an unconventional enemy, PC (political correctness) goes out the window for me.

You can call them freedom fighters, but to me terrorists are murderers.

 

[Lostlover]

Yeah, put an immigration ban on Pakistan, yet use their corrupt dictatorship of terrorist Musharraf for the "war on terror", keep using terrorists when convenient, but when they hit home, then get all racist. How about instead of putting a ban on immigration from an entire nation, stop bombing people, stop terrorising others and imposing your will on others, and then we'll see. Britain chose to go to war, even though majority of their citizens were against it. Banning Pakistanis or South Asians will not do anything, terrorism is an idea, and ideas have wings. Stop imperialist wars, stop imposing injustice, stop supporting tyrants, stop your military and economic hegemony on other land, stop state terrorism, and it just might become difficult for defenseless people to resort to "terrorism".

You're giving them too much credit. They reelected a Bush leech.

Where I come from, if you vote for someone it generally means you support his or her's ideas. They've been let off the hook too easily with this Iraq mess. Americans are to blame but so are they. And they had a democratic election to voice their contempt for the war and they didn't.

That guy was craving for attention and wanted to big a "big player" on the world stage. The fool leaves and now he's begging Bush to be a middle east envoy.

What happened to just retiring?

 

[Lostlover]

A Bush supporter?

Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction, North Korea and the nuke threat, Iran and their oil, Venezuela and their oil,the Russian Federation and their gas, China and her goods, Canada and her oil and water, the list goes on and on.

Trivia question:

What cuntry with atomic or "new-clar" weapons have actually used them to wipe out civilians?

Hmmm.

LMAO... no comment.

Read some of my posts and come back and tell me if you think I ever was a Bush supporter.

 

[Andreus]

It might not be popular to say, but Pakistan is a terrorist haven.

In addition, that government isn't doing all they can do to help us (yeah and neither is Bush).

And look at all the plots by Pakistani immigrants. I think there have been more potential and actual attacks by Pakistanis than Arabs in the West.

That's not very PC. But if you're fighting an unconventional enemy, PC (political correctness) goes out the window for me.

You can call them freedom fighters, but to me terrorists are murderers.

you simply dont know what you are talking about here

give us some sources for this information you;re passing on here

pakistan is the US's most successfull partner in the war on terra donchaknow, and they have found more terorists that bush and the USA did

real ones too

show me the documentation that these pakistani imigrants have done all of this

show me where i called anyone a freedom fighter

show me where you have ever said one thing about a person of mideast heritage that did not imply that they were terrorists

then we can talk

 

[Lostlover]

you simply dont know what you are talking about here

give us some sources for this information you;re passing on here

pakistan is the US's most successfull partner in the war on terra donchaknow, and they have found more terorists that bush and the USA did

real ones too

show me the documentation that these pakistani imigrants have done all of this

show me where i called anyone a freedom fighter

show me where you have ever said one thing about a person of mideast heritage that did not imply that they were terrorists

then we can talk

1) Pakistan has helped immensely. I didn't say they were doing little. I said they weren't doing as much as they could.

2) My comments about being PC are geared towards people that are against immigration restrictions that could possibly help prevent terrorists attacks. These are the same kind of people that would call terrorists freedom fighters IMO.

Lastly, I didn't know Pakistan was in the middle east.

 

[JayHawk]

Um. . . no 365Gay didn't. ("LOL" really? "LOL"? How sad.)

No one has claimed responsibility and police say they are not certain of the motive.

Saturday, London will celebrate Britain's largest LGBT pride. Thousands of people are expected to march through the area, near Piccadilly Circus with tens of thousands more lining the street.

But the parade and the large number of people jammed into the area may not have been the intended target police said.

What is sad is the inability to think. the post i placed did not indicate that any one idea was the truth. The quote above is from the article I posted ealier around 3 when I got home. It was the first I had heard of it and I ask questions in the thread. Now I realize for some ya cant exist without making yourself feel better in a discussion but please sweet pea try and keep it adult.

I think if you will go back and stop playing piece meal you will read the many alternatives that are located in that post.

Nobody claimed responsibility for the plot, and government security officials said late Friday that no suspects have been identified.

But the discovery of the second bomb, about 20 hours after the first, suggested a coordinated and more sophisticated plot than was initially thought — similar to the July 7, 2005 suicide bombings where four bombs exploded within an hour of one another on London's busy transit system.

Some analysts said the bombers could be trying to send a message to Britain's new leader.

~From the AP report.

Finally sunshine no suspects have been indentified or even alluded to by the authorities. The sophistication suggest organized terror of some sort but there is absolutely no evidence of either. SO theories and supositions still can have some weight until the investigation is complete.

Why is that such a sticking point with you? Is it so far fetched in your so well ordered world that for you it is impossible for Fundamentalist to desire to inflict a wound to send a message and at the same time feel less responsibility since it is homosexuals that they blow up? Fundamentalist Islamics dont exactly like us faggots, now do they?

The things we do know are that the bombs were streetside where large crowds were expected and they were set to be triggered with a cell phone. Now the day before a big event is when you would park to ensure you get your location. The police FOIL part comes down to sloppy work by the executers of this plan. The third tier.

One car either was attempted to be blown and went puff or it had materials mix which caused a smoke that resulted in medical techs reporting the vehicle. The resultant search turned up another vehicle which had already been towed because of illegal parking. It would have blown up the impound lot. SO two sloppy errors result in the police being super sleuths. Well, Bullshit.

The only warm fuzzy I get from this is that we have caught a plethera of bungling terror attempts over the last few years. SO it begs the question have we pushed to the point training is difficult so the work is sloppy or is it simply Al Murph-ias Law acting against terror plotters?

In the end you and me may never know.

P.S. the laugh out loud was sarcastic because I doubt anyone making money off that Pride celebration would give two shits to say it is not related even if they have no evidence for or against that theory. They will do so simply to make money. Now if no suspects are identified, how can you lean upon the statement that the met police said nothing indicates a attack on gays, yet nothing contradicts that theory either since, um no one is a suspect.

Think like spock sweety.

 

[levenshulme31]

You're giving them too much credit. They reelected a Bush leech.

Where I come from, if you vote for someone it generally means you support his or her's ideas. They've been let off the hook too easily with this Iraq mess. Americans are to blame but so are they. And they had a democratic election to voice their contempt for the war and they didn't.

That guy was craving for attention and wanted to big a "big player" on the world stage. The fool leaves and now he's begging Bush to be a middle east envoy.

What happened to just retiring?

Not quite the case. Blair was re-elected but with a minority of the votes cast. This is due to Britain's multi-party system and constituency based parliament. Labour won a majority of the seats but in most constituencies, more votes were cast against the winning party than for it (they were just split between other parties).

Also, because Blair had lied about the reasons for going to war in the first place but had been believed by the other main parties, who therefore supported the war, there was little in the way of opposition to actually vote for for those of us who were against the war. That and the fact that the main opposition party (conservative) were still widely remembered and unpopular thanks to the Thatcher/Major years, and , the war aside, Blair's domestic record was relatively good and popular.

 

[Andreus]

1) Pakistan has helped immensely. I didn't say they were doing little. I said they weren't doing as much as they could.

2) My comments about being PC are geared towards people that are against immigration restrictions that could possibly help prevent terrorists attacks. These are the same kind of people that would call terrorists freedom fighters IMO.

Lastly, I didn't know Pakistan was in the middle east.

show the documentation for the specious claims regarding muslims or just stop making them

period

you dont get a free pass on disemminating your hate here

you never will

 

[Lostlover]

And did they blame Bush?

I promise you someone will blame Bush for this. And this isn't helping the situation.