Explosives-Packed Car Defused in London

[Lostlover]

just list the book titles that are rellevant to this discussion and your comments with exerpts

just list articles

if you arent willing to put the time into the research then just say so and say that your opinions are just unsubstantiated

but to insist that something is factual when it is an opinion is not the way this works

I can tell by the way this is going that you'll eventually call the authors of the books I have read Mossad informants.

Everything I have said is based in facts. You just don't like it.

Odd that you've shown no contempt for this bold terrorist acts and yet you're on some pseudo fact finding mission rooted in insecurity over comments I made about foreign/immigrant Islamic extremists. Your pushing aside the real crime here (hello the car bombs...forgot about that in your little tangent trying to hide from the real issue-Islamic extremism) just shows how screwed up you have your priorities.

Here's some more non-PC stuff...

It's Muslims that are causing this carnage. Not Christians or Buddhists or Hindus or Jews.

And I'll say it again. Britain has to reconsider who they're allowing in their country. Because the trouble makers have been immigrants and or first generation citizens who haven't assimilated into the mainstream. With the majority coming from and trained in Pakistan.

 

[Andreus]

Look, just post the fucking facts -- what is so fucking complicated about that?

she has a hard time with honesty aparently

well that puts her on ignore for an eternity

not worth the read

i could use my time better taking a shit

 

[Lostlover]

she has a hard time with honesty aparently

well that puts her on ignore for an eternity

not worth the read

i vould use my time better taking a shit

Please do take go take a shit and wipe your hands really well because you're typing shit.

You're so obviously insecure about people making comments about Muslim extremists.

Funny how you keep brushing off the criminals.

Keep it up.

The terrorists PR department is happy.

I think I'm going to be even more candid now without terrorists sympathizers crying and throwing fits here.

 

[andysayshi]

It's Muslims that are causing this carnage. Not Christians or Buddhists or Hindus or Jews.

And I'll say it again. Britain has to reconsider who they're allowing in their country. Because the trouble makers have been immigrants and or first generation citizens who haven't assimilated into the mainstream. With the majority coming from and trained in Pakistan.

Most paedophiles are homosexuals as well. Probably about 10 percent of all homosexuals are paedophiles. So I think the UK should stop allowing homosexuals into the country. Then there'll be no child in harms way from those evil paedophiles.

 

[Lostlover]

Most paedophiles are homosexuals as well. Probably about 10 percent of all homosexuals are paedophiles. So I think the UK should stop allowing homosexuals into the country. Then there'll be no child in harms way from those evil paedophiles.

What's that based on? Most pedophiles are homosexual? I beg to differ.

From what I've seen, most are heterosexual.

And um, common sense check... homosexuals make up 10% of the population. Do you really think pedophiles in that 10% out number the pedophiles the other 90% heterosexual population.

***Knock on wood***

Wasn't it Australia that wanted to prevent people with HIV from entering Australia. With your line of thinking, I guess that means no more gay people in Australia since all gays have HIV/AIDS .

 

[andysayshi]

No, I think you missed the sarcastic analogy in my post.

With YOUR line of thinking, using baseless statistics, the UK should vilify an entire group/culture/race because of a perceived minority within that group. I simply applied your same logic to a different group, with an equally unproven (or fictional) statistic.

Just like your 10% figure, the analogy doesn't hold up when you analyse it logically.

And no, Australia has not called for the prevention of people with HIV from entering Australia. The Howard Government, which disgusts me more and more each day, have proposed legislation to prevent HIV-positive people from immigrating to Australia, not entering. One of many reasons why I won't be voting for that party in a few months.

Story here.

 

[Lostlover]

No, I think you missed the sarcastic analogy in my post.

With YOUR line of thinking, using baseless statistics, the UK should vilify an entire group/culture/race because of a perceived minority within that group. I simply applied your same logic to a different group, with an equally unproven (or fictional) statistic.

Just like your 10% figure, the analogy doesn't hold up when you analyse it logically.

And no, Australia has not called for the prevention of people with HIV from entering Australia. The Howard Government, which disgusts me more and more each day, have proposed legislation to prevent HIV-positive people from immigrating to Australia, not entering. One of many reasons why I won't be voting for that party in a few months.

Story here.

And when did I "villify" an entire race. I said those carrying out the attacks and plots. "Those" are specific people, not a race.

I didn't say Pakistanis are carrying out terror.

Lastly people are acting as if I made up the 7/7 bombings, or the airliner August 06 plot or these foiled plots today and yesterday that all had young Pakistan men carring out the plots. Do I really need to cite this for it to be "proven."

I was referencing these events and other plots when Andreus got his feelings hurt and wanted me to cite terrorist plots. What does he want some fingerprints or forensic evidence from the bombs?

 

[andysayshi]

THIS is vilification:

I think they should impose a immigration ban on Pakistan (I can almost guarantee these were Pakistanis or some South Asian in this failed plot). Pakistan needs to clean up their act, so why keep importing from a country that doesn't do as much as they can to fight terror?

You are holding an entire nation accountable for the action of an extreme minority. And you have yet to actually cite any source that justifies your statement.

Since the 9/11 terrorists were predominantly Saudi, should the US ban Saudis from entry?

The whole point of my previous analogy was to demonstrate how it feels when the shoe is on the other foot. You were clearly indignant when I baselessly accused homosexuals of being potential paedophiles. How do you think a Pakistani JUBer feels when you make statements like the one above?

 

[Lostlover]

THIS is vilification:



You are holding an entire nation accountable for the action of an extreme minority. And you have yet to actually cite any source that justifies your statement.

Since the 9/11 terrorists were predominantly Saudi, should the US ban Saudis from entry?

The whole point of my previous analogy was to demonstrate how it feels when the shoe is on the other foot. You were clearly indignant when I baselessly accused homosexuals of being potential paedophiles. How do you think a Pakistani JUBer feels when you make statements like the one above?

Again I was referencing the Pakistanis involved in the plot (check the second line in the quote you quoted me on).

Like I said earlier, I have been very specific as to who I am referencing. And in fact, I was critical of their government as to why there should be a restriction on immigration for that country to Britain. It really had nothing to do with a nation which I indirectly implied, but a few people in the plot and the Pakistani government less than optimal efforts to combat extremism.

 

[andysayshi]

So, just to clarify, you now DON'T think the UK should impose a ban on Pakistani immigration?

 

[Andreus]

Why don't you take your moral up'thetedness and join the US Armed Forces, instead of posting off-the-rails nonsense?

hes too ascared of the muthlims

 

[Lostlover]

So, just to clarify, you now DON'T think the UK should impose a ban on Pakistani immigration?

There needs to be restrictions with it comes to Pakistan.

I think it's common knowledge that the 7/7 bombers were trained in Pakistan right before they carried out their attacks in London (do I need to cite that). Can stuff like this continue just because you don't want to step on a few peoples' toes?

I don't think so. And you also have to question whether Pakistan is doing all it can to prevent things like this from happening.

Again, I ask, do you think I spun the globe on my desk and my finger landed on Pakistan when I predicted there was probably Pakistani involvement?

Many innocents could have died. Governments shouldn't be hostages to PC when it comes to protecting their citizens.

 

[Lostlover]

Why don't you take your moral up'thetedness and join the US Armed Forces, instead of posting off-the-rails nonsense?

Don't worry about me joining the US Armed Forces. You should be worried about something like these plots happening here in America.

Again, I think people are making light of the events of the last three days. Britain has an enemy within and they must tackle it without fear of hurting peoples' feelings.

I think what is happening now across the pond buttresses what I have said about some Democratic presidential hopefuls, cutting and running will only let murderers take over Iraq. That might be fine with some people, but we have to solve this mess we created.

 

[Andreus]

So, you want to place other people's lives in danger to assure yourself that you are safe, but you lack the desire, the sense of moral duty to be a part of the solution -- is that about right? There's a word for that.

theres more than one word for it, but they delete the posts that i use them in

 

[Lostlover]

So, you want to place other people's lives in danger to assure yourself that you are safe, but you lack the desire, the sense of moral duty to be a part of the solution -- is that about right? There's a word for that.

Again, like I have said before on this forum, I would join the armed forces to serve my country. I love my country and even though we make mistakes I still would serve my country proudly.

Repeating what I said earlier, me joining the armed forces has nothing to do with my opinion. Stop skirting the issues.

 

[levenshulme31]

There needs to be restrictions with it comes to Pakistan.

I think it's common knowledge that the 7/7 bombers were trained in Pakistan right before they carried out their attacks in London (do I need to cite that). Can stuff like this continue just because you don't want to step on a few peoples' toes?

I don't think so. And you also have to question whether Pakistan is doing all it can to prevent things like this from happening.

Again, I ask, do you think I spun the globe on my desk and my finger landed on Pakistan when I predicted there was probably Pakistani involvement?

Many innocents could have died. Governments shouldn't be hostages to PC when it comes to protecting their citizens.

The 2 arrested in Glasgow were from Iraq and Jordan. They weren't Pakistani, Pakistani/British or even just British. Sorry to burst your ranty bubble there.

 

[Andreus]

The 2 arrested in Glasgow were from Iraq and Jordan. They weren't Pakistani, Pakistani/British or even just British. Sorry to burst your ranty bubble there.

imagine that

america runs one and the other is an ally of Israel and america

does this mean that americans

ALL of them

are responsible for the fire bomb of the airport?

its a good thing that the world doesnt treat republicans as bad as they treat the world or there would be torture camps in every townhall on the planet

 

[Lostlover]

Isn't someone going to blame Bush?

I knew shit would come back at Bush. Bush ain't your problem england. You have enemies within your country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/02/nterror1102.xml

'Intelligence warned of airport attacks'

By our foreign staff
Last Updated: 2:25am BST 03/07/2007

# Britain's terror crackdown

US officials received a report two weeks ago warning of possible terror attacks against Glasgow and the Czech capital Prague this summer but the information was not passed on to British officials, according to ABC News.

A senior official with access to the law enforcement report, prepared for the Department of Homeland and Security, warned that al-Qa'eda was planning a terror "spectacular" targeting "airports infrastructure and aircraft", the US news channel said.

The unnamed official said the information received was "reminiscent of the warnings and intelligence we were getting in the summer of 2001," before the September 11 attacks on New York.

The warnings apparently were never passed on to officials in Scotland who said this weekend they had received "no advance intelligence" before attackers tried to drive a car bomb into a Glasgow airport building.

Michael Chertoff, the homeland security secretary, declined to comment specificially on the report but said that America normally shared this kind of intelligence with Britain "virtually instantly".

US President George W Bush praised the new British government’s "strong response" to the terrorist threats in London and Scotland that prompted America to tighten airport security and add air marshals to overseas flights.

"It just goes to show the war against these extremists goes on," Bush said Sunday. "You never know where they may try to strike, and I appreciate the very strong response that the Gordon Brown government’s given to the attempts by these people."

 

[Lostlover]

The 2 arrested in Glasgow were from Iraq and Jordan. They weren't Pakistani, Pakistani/British or even just British. Sorry to burst your ranty bubble there.

Not the car bombs. The savages have been described as South Asian. I'm waiting for them to specify which South Asian country they are from (Pakistan is a South Asian country. It is NOT in the middle east like Andreus said it is. lol and he wants to be taken seriously).

Hey what do you think about my other prophecy that shit would come back at Bush.