Facts & Fictions About Cut & Uncut Cocks

[Buddah420]

I agree with theFallenGod. If the only reason for mutilation of ones body is for looks, I think most would agree that is for purley narcissistic and egocentric reasons, and has absolutely nothing to do with providing quality medical advantages to the patient. Again, as theFallenAngel said the reason for the first widespread circumcisions in the United States was to prevent the child from getting the urge to masturbate because scientists then did believe that this was a way of desensitizing the penis. In other words, less feeling, less thoughts of being aroused and having to masturbate. Granted this has been done in many cultures for religious purposes, such as the Jewish culture. However, there was not cultural backing, or medical backing as a matter of fact for widespread circumcision in the United States. Purely religious fanatics that thought this would be a good idea, which was of course after years and years of doing this became apart of our culture causing us to justify our reasons for circumcision when the outrageous religious views were no longer applicable.

Why not stop this now.....because it will just continue on endlessly.

 

[JCCramer]

I am a Filipino, and here in the Philippines everyone is circumcised by puberty. I myself was circumcised when I was thirteen, and I'm perfectly happy without my prepuce. I do believe that the health benefits of circumcision far outweigh any inconvenience it gives perioperatively. But still the fact remains that it should be a person's right to choose what will be done to his body. I am a proponent of circumcision, but it should be a choice and not forced upon an unwitting child.

These pleasure studies are a truckload of crap. Any psychiatrist worth his salt would tell you that 95% of sex occurs in your mind. I've had the good fortune of training under some of the pioneers in sex therapy here in Asia, and they all agree to this point. If you enjoy sex less after getting circumcised, your mental health is the issue, not your nerve endings.

You actually have more nerve endings in one hand than in your entire penis, but most of us don't orgasm from shaking hands now do we. That's because it doesn't matter how many nerve endings you have in your penis, what matters is that your brain is trained to percieve any stimulus from them as pleasurable. Anyone who tells you otherwise does not know how the nervous system works.

 

[gravelle]

I found this article on a recent study into sesitivity, thought it would help to stir the pot.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21622462-1702,00.html

 

[JCCramer]

Why are people so interested in the actual number of nerve endings that a penis has? You have more nerve endings in your anus per square inch for crying out loud, do most of you orgasm when you poop? I would like to reiterate that sensitivity DOES NOT equal pleasure. It isn't how many nerves are stimulated, its how your brain PERCIEVES the stimulus. Even if you stuff your penis with half the nerve endings in your entire body it wouldn't matter if your brain isn't trained to percieve them as sexual pleasure.

From a scientific standpoint all the sensitivity studies that have been presented so far are all crap. The methods are flawed, the proponents are of questionable credentials, and don't even get me started on the result analysis.

Jeez, even without knowledge of study designs any person with half a brain and a dick would know that these studies are BS.

 

[cutcocksonly]

Why are people so interested in the actual number of nerve endings that a penis has? You have more nerve endings in your anus per square inch for crying out loud, do most of you orgasm when you poop? I would like to reiterate that sensitivity DOES NOT equal pleasure. It isn't how many nerves are stimulated, its how your brain PERCIEVES the stimulus. Even if you stuff your penis with half the nerve endings in your entire body it wouldn't matter if your brain isn't trained to percieve them as sexual pleasure.

From a scientific standpoint all the sensitivity studies that have been presented so far are all crap. The methods are flawed, the proponents are of questionable credentials, and don't even get me started on the result analysis.

Jeez, even without knowledge of study designs any person with half a brain and a dick would know that these studies are BS.

Best post on this thread yet !

 

[JCCramer]

So what if one day parents decide that cutting off their children's penises will help them avoid HIV and a host of other diseases, and will help them focus more on their studies and become better members of society? What if the topic here isn't the penis at all, what if it's a splene? Or the frontal lobe of the brain? A few decades ago the state had the right to perform frontal lobectomy on anyone it deemed mentally deviant. I know these are more extreme measures, but we are all talking of one thing: The loss of a functional part of the human anatomy. As doctors, the most sacred doctrine is to do no harm through action or inaction, but one thing always overrides that. It is always the choice of a patient wether he refuses therapy, even if it costs him his life, as long as he has the faculties to make an informed decision, it is his call.

A parent does have the right to choose what is in the best interest of her child, but there should be limits. The irreversible loss of a functional part of the body should be the choice of a person when he has the wisdom to choose, and should not be forced upon him.

Again, don't get me wrong. I fully support circumcision as an effective way of preventing some infections. But what's best for some isn't necessarily what's best for others. We all have different points of view and we should respect that, which is why circumcision should be a CHOICE.

By the way, if all you people out there who ravenously support enforced circumcision truly believe that it is as good and perfect and holy as you say, then why are you so afraid that the child won't opt to have it done when he already has the faculties to make an informed decision?

*And maybe not totally relevant, but I would like to say that the reason so many kids today are screwed up isn't the poor state of mass media, it's poor parenthood.*

 

[theFallenGod]

Sorry, FallenGod. I now believe you're for real. Actually I went back and read up on the methods you're employing to stretch the skin of your penis. That has to be a little painful stretching your penile skin with weights. I also read up on the psychology behind men like you who wish to get their prepuce restored or surgically reconstructed. If I'd known you were being forthright, I would've been a bit more compassionate. I just didn't believe you at the time.

On the other hand, I'm bothered that some men that suffer from this psychological disorder attempt to project their feelings of inadequacy and deficient body image on other circumcized men. Yes, the majority of circumcized American men are satisfied with their cut cocks. This is why we continue to circumcize our infants and boys in such large numbers and largely maintain the cut cock as one of our standards of "beauty". Men that suffer from this disorder are part of a relatively minuscule minority among all circumcized men.

Unfortunately, men that suffer from this disorder are exploited in their vulnerable psychological state by anti-circumcision groups, as they're being used as poster boys for their cause. This is what bothers me most. Regarding these men, I disagree that circumcision is at the root of their problems. Rather it's their preoccupation or obsession with the prepuce resulting from developmental issues that appears to be central to any psychopathology. At least this is what I've been able to deduce from the psychiatric literature I've consulted. However, I'm not a psychiatrist. If you already haven't, you should consult a psychologist or psychiatrist. I wish you well.

Firs off I'm sick to death of your pro-mutilation nazi rhetoric....

Second of all... I didn't have the choice to have it removed...my parents did that to me... so it"s not some disorder as you so stupidly put it...

You wanna jack boot in here and demand that mutilation forced on innocent children by ignorant parents is OK fine so be it... but don't get your panties in abunch when people disagree with barbaric outdated fashion ideas....

I'm happy for you that you think your mutilated penis is a marvelous wonder ... I personally am doing this because of the shitty job they did when I was circumcized and want it back....

You see when I had it done they used a small bell shaped object to cut the foreskin off... the bell sizes they had didn't exactly fit over the head of my penis leaving me half-circumsized... as unique as that is... and I do think it is rather unique...I happen to feel that I would rather have it back and look like a natural man than have the invasive surgery to have the rest removed....

I don't have any psycological disprder about my looks... I personally would rather it be fully functional... than appealing to the eye... but at the same time I think its great to be able to restore something that was partially denied to me at birth because of my ignorant parents... and the mistake of dr. mengele when he tried to circumsize me....

So please...if anyone here has any disorder its probably you with your willingness to allow and support genital mutilation on harmless infants for aesthetic reasons because its oh so popular in the U.S. because beauty dictates it... same as breast implants and face lifts and tummy tucks....

And I will tell you this... as it stands the parts of my head which are under the foreskin are more sensative than the parts that are exposed....

 

[theFallenGod]

oh by all means post it.....

Im curious as to know what kind of disorder you think I have....

If anything it will be good for a hearty laugh as the pro-mutilation nazi tries to delve into my pshyche and deduce why I am being brainwashed by by the anti-circumcion fanatics.....

 

[uncuttboi]

???????lets see born at home in mass./ shoot sometimes in 6-7 shakes,/and i shoot some 5-6 feet still most guys choke on my amount of cum.....so i guess your somewhat right----right???

 

[theFallenGod]

Hmmm considering that we are resistant to such treatments maybe means that there is nothing wrong with us...

While I admit to preferring men with foreskin as oppsed to without I have never out right told a guy no simply because he was circumsized....

However... what causes me to have a problem when I'm essentially stuck in the middle?
What's wrong with wanting one or the other considering that I essentially have both?
and add to that the fact that I have both because of a botched medical procedure....honestly if you were faced with such a dilemma you might see things a little differently instead of accusing people of having mental issues because we don't fit into your perfect little everyone should be circumsized little mutilation fantasy world....

 

[theFallenGod]

Well judging from what you posted .... NONE of that concerns me...

to tell me I'm in denial is just ludicous...

And to believe that a pro-mutilation nazi such as yourself is trying to be compassionate is a joke and a half....

Seriously though... Of all the signs and attributes that go along with your theory of me having BDD the only one that I can relate to is the fact that I'm a homosexual...

Seriously ... before you start making calls on peoples mental well being and shouting out false accusations to people ...basically calling them crazy...you should probably look in the mirror first....

You know nothing of me and after reading that post its even more evident....

 

[theFallenGod]

I'll even go a step further and dismiss the claims made here .....with explanations......

Common Profile of Patients:

--Homosexual - Ok you got me here... this I am indeed

--A Victorian attitude toward sexuality - I was raised to believe sex was healthy as my mother was in the medical field and my father was a nudist....

--Distant father - My father was a huge part of my life... his support and nurturing made me the man I am today... My father stood behind me on everything I did.. and I spoke to him at least 3 to 4 times a week after I moved out...

--Emotionally intrusive mother - My mother was a workaholic....she also supported everything I did... and never asked too many questions... just the important ones...

--Lifelong concern with circumcision, starting with early childhood recollections.- Honestly this wasn't an issue until I learned of foreskin restoration... I knew since I was 16 that the dr. had botched the job but hadn't learned of restoration till I was in my mid 20's

--Concern with the status of their father's penis - As stated above... my father was a nudist...I had seen my fathers penis more than I would have cared to... it was a non-issue because growing up with a nudist I was taught that the human body is a thing of beauty and not something taboo or all encompassing ...especially the genitals....

--Lifelong concern with identity and body image. Body image was associated with both narcissistic and exhibitionistic issues. *** Concern with body image= Body Dysmorphic Disorder** - again... see above concerning my nudist father... the body comes in many shapes and sizes and I have never had a problem with it... I don't even have a problem with being partially circumsized... I just chose to have one or the other and since I don't want to go under the knife I have chosen the other direction....

--Depressions (lifelong and episodic) _ I got depressed once... last year... it lasted an hour....

--Feelings of loneliness and inadequacy - I have always had friends that I know care for me... that I know are always there... I have a strong loving family that has always been supportive of me and has always been there whenever I needed them.... My best attribute is my self- confidence.... I know how to get what I want when I want because I know I can get it.....


There you have it my friend... I have been completely truthful in this ...divulging more than I probably should have but I needed to to make a point....

The point is I don't need to see a therapist becuase I want my foreskin whole and intact....

 

[theFallenGod]

Seriously, who would expect you to come out and admit that you have major psychiatric issues here on this public forum? I didn't nor would I want you to make such an admission publicly. Your denial is completely predictable. I posted the information as YOU so requested. That's why I gave you a choice upfront. Do with the info what you will. Obviously, it has put you on the defensive. That's a completely normal reaction. On the other hand, it may possibly be of help to some other guys out here. Now that you've been advised to see a therapist and given sound reason for doing so, there's not much more I can tell you other than I wish you well. Good luck.

Your a fucking idiot... I present the truth to you about myself and of course because your a pro-mutilation nazi and refuse to listen to anyone elses side and naturally turn everything around to make you look like the normal sane one... of course thats just the manipulative thing I would expect from someone who has been brainwashed by a society to believe its ok to mutilate little boys for aesthetic reasons....

So go ahead and think that I have some psychiatric issue...after all you don't know anything about me... continue to live in your little bubble of delusion.... throw meaningless accusations out and make an ass out of yourself....as seen from almost every post on this thread.... I concede to you this.... because personally I don't appreciate being tld I have mental issues from a vicious hateful person such as yourself..

And of course you quote the first post and not the second where I completely debunk the entire arguement... your just as predictable westwood.... can't fight the facts so you pull out statistics and insults to fight your battle for you.... how very typical

 

[blackbeltninja]

I don't have any psycological disprder about my looks... I personally would rather it be fully functional... than appealing to the eye... but at the same time I think its great to be able to restore something that was partially denied to me at birth because of my ignorant parents... and the mistake of dr. mengele when he tried to circumsize me....

But it is fully functional, isn't it? In which case...

I know of a couple of guys who are circumcised in a half-half kind of way - in a certain light, they have enough skin left to appear uncut. I also know uncut guys who have so little foreskin that they seem to be cut. There are those guys whose foreskin covers about 80% of the head and always have a bit poking out from under the skin, and then there are those guys who have a megaprepuce or something approaching it and have that ant-eater look.

Having half on, or half off, seems to be fairly common in this regard. I do wonder, then, why you want to have it restored.

-d-

PS: I don't know how to put this next bit politely and not raise anyone's ire, so I'm just going to put it out, okay?

I'm not sure the name calling and general baiting between Fallen and Westwood actually helps anyone, nor advances the discussion constructively... for all of our sakes, can I respectfully request a change of tack on all of our parts? I think this is a good and informative thread, and I don't want to see any of the proponents of either side refusing to post in it anymore because of the general tone of the piece.

Thanks, guys.

 

[theFallenGod]

Yes ninja...It is fully functional... and while I do realise that there are people out there that have the half&half thing going on like myself... I would prefer it to be one way or another...and since the screw up was when it was attempted to be removed in the first place ...and I am an adult of sound mind and body... I make the decision to restore it through stretching methods and non surgical means... just my personal choice as an adult...

in my opinion it was unnessecary to have it removed and not something I would have chosen nor would choose for my child should I ever be blessed with one... the fact that it can be restored is something I have done a lot of research on and have reviewed at length before I made this decision....

And I fully agree with the comment on abandoning the petty bickering between myself and westwood... My opinions are my own and so are his...
I for one feel as though my words were ill-advised and hereby make a public appology to westwood....and to all others on this thread, for stepping out of bounds.... I took his personal opinions as personal attacks and responded with my own personal attack... of which I am truly remorseful... I will take away from this thread the knowledge that just because a name on a computer screen thinks your crazy doesn't mean they know the truth and to not think of it as a personal attack....

Again my sincerest appologies....

 

[blackbeltninja]

And I fully agree with the comment on abandoning the petty bickering between myself and westwood...

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Again my sincerest appologies....

That's very big of you to say so.

Back to the topic at hand... does yours look noticeably different? I mean, if some guys look sort-of half-and-half even though they've had nothing done to it, I'm wondering what prompted the decision on your part.

On my part, it's all gone. I don't think there's anything left to stretch, even if I wanted to (I haven't ever even considered it; I've never wanted mine restored). I have a few friends who were snipped who actually have a fair amount to play with, as it were, but mine - no chance, I don't think.

-d-

 

[theFallenGod]

well...when its soft it looks uncut... I have a good amount leftover... when I'm hard I still have a lot of extra... the worst part is when someone is jerking me off.... I am actually very sensative and when they pull down it hurts ....

As to what prompted it... I did the research and found that in my case I think I would be better off being restored...with it being so sensative...people will be more inclined to approach it so if they think I'm uncut....

 

[theFallenGod]

You couldn't resist one final jab eh?

Ok westwood... I humbly request that you stop making assumptions based on knowledge you don't possess.... honestly you have no clue what your talking about.... you continue to bait and your assumptions and BS couldn't be further from the truth.....

I also find the logic flawed of a man who says they feel compassion while preaching about largely unnessecary genital mutilation.....

 

[blackbeltninja]

Diagnosis should be left to an experienced psychotherapist who will be able to "fish" the appropriate information out of him to make a proper diagnosis.

That's as may be, but to my largely untrained eye - I'm a malaria chemotherapy expert, after all - you did seem like you were making a diagnosis, several times in different posts. As you've said, perhaps leaving it to the experts would be a better idea. In Fallen's own words, the idea to have his restored comes largely because of discomfort when partners don't perceive how physically sensitive his bits'n'pieces are. Psychology is not my thing, so I'm not sure how relevant the other things you've mentioned are, but I am prepared to take him at his word. We are all gentlemen, after all (well, apart from the ladies in here), and a gentleman should use his word as his bond.

You have shown a huge depth of knowlege relevant to the topic at hand, however, and your willingness to make the effort to present it so comprehensively should be applauded. I'm sure even the guys who disagree with the practice can't disagree with that.

-d-

 

[blackbeltninja]

And BTW, here is a video of a poor little boy receiving the loving care of American M.Ds, all endorssed by the AMA. If you are not moved by the little boy's horrific cries, then there's nothing that will move you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmX6RdRNoqk

THA

Wow

I guess if he was having open brain surgery and he cried a bit, you'd want that stopped too.

I remember when I had my hand stitched up after I had my thumb half ripped off by a fanbelt - I screamed the hospital down. It took 2 doctors, four nurses and my mother to hold me down, and I'd already had a local anaesthetic, so I could probably feel very little, but I was an unhappy chap, it seemed. I'm glad they persisted, though, otherwise I'd have bled to death.

Little kids, especially newborns, cry all the time - it's a response to stimulus. Too warm - cry. Too cold - cry. Hungry - cry. Downright pissy - cry.

American medical journals are in the pay-roll of pharmaceutical companies, just like the American Medical Association.

As one who has had an editorial about his work, and even cracked a first name mention, in the Lancet, I disagree. In fact, were a pharmaceutics firm after my research, I'd be very happy about it.

-d-