Faith schools which indoctrinate children that denigrates gay people will be forced to close

[Kabluey]

Religion really should be separated out from education, and politics.

Plenty of established Christian schools where I'm from pay lip service to religion given they're government funded and follow the national curriculum.

That said, the right wing government in power is now allowing faith-based charter schools that will be free to teach whatever they please while receiving slightly more money per student than state schools.

Funny how libertarian logic backfires from time to time.

 

[Willie Boy]

Most Protestants know what's in the Bible passably well. Even those that are otherwise uneducated.

Not really. They believe they know, based on what others believe to be in the Bible. For instance, many still believe the Bible teaches that God helps those who help themselves......


But that is completely opposite of what the Bible really teaches. It teaches that everybody has sinned and separated him/herself from God. And that none of us is capable of breaking that separation on our own, it just isn't humanly possible..... so God had to send help. We also learn that no one is inferior as we are all in the same boat, so to speak.

So, yeah..... All those people who supposedly know what the Bible teaches but can't follow it's teachings........ They can't all be willfully disobeying.......

But in either case, Christianity is NOT what is being practiced.

 

[eastofeden]

I actually think it is a form of child abuse to brainwash a child with that rubbish.

 

[Willie Boy]

Its a form of child abuse to brainwash a child with ANY rubbish, no matter which "Special Interest" group it comes from.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Another patronising pollie making a mess of things

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/10/3...-she-explains-why-she-now-backs-gay-marriage/

 

[zombiekiller]

Re: Another patronising pollie making a mess of things

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/10/3...-she-explains-why-she-now-backs-gay-marriage/

I've thought long and hard about people who "changed their mind" after meeting someone personally. I've come to the conclusion that these people are Nazis in the making.

I don't personally know a single Native American. Does it make it ok for me to discriminate against them?

My question to these people who changed their minds is what other groups of people do they get a hard-on oppressing because they don't personally know members of those communities?

 

[pat grimshaw]

... indoctrinate … denigrate...

…..But a spokesman insisted Ofsted, which has introduced the new rules the wake of the Islamist Trojan Horse plot to radicalise pupils in Birmingham, was right to ensure schools were not breeding grounds for homophobia….

The Trojan Horse is a tale from the Trojan War about the subterfuge that the enemy used to enter the city and win the war.

 

[Kulindahr]

Most Protestants know what's in the Bible passably well. Even those that are otherwise uneducated.

True ... also many atheists, agnostics, pagans, heathens, satanists, etc, etc know what is in the bible .. and quite often that is what caused them to become atheists, agnostics, pagans, heathens, satanists, etc, etc. However, in my experience, a lot of catholics seem to have little idea what the bible contains.

They may have a fair knowledge of favorite parts, in English, but few have a grasp of it as a whole. In most churches, less than a quarter of the Bible is ever actually preached on -- that's one reason I like the liturgical approach in which the entire Bible is read aloud over a three-year period, and theoretically preached on as well. The result is still limited by the preacher's treatment of the texts, but at least people are hearing it all.

It's when you don't grasp the work as a whole that the hate and rigid rules arise; those who read the whole thing and grasp it as a single work face up to the fact that Paul summed up the limitations imposed by the Old Testament as "All things are lawful".

 

[Kulindahr]

Perhaps, but so many of them ignore (or misinterpret) so much of it. They use only those bits which are beneficial to their agenda and forget the rest. For instance, they use The Golden Rule and 'Judge not lest ye be judged' only when it suits them, and those 'lessons' never seem to apply to themselves.

To be fair to the "judge not" passage, there are three different Greek words in the New Testament which all get translated as "judge", with the result that apparent contradiction arises, with one verse seeming to say to never judge, but another saying that to judge all things..... The "judge not" verb is better translated these days as "do not condemn/convict", while the "judge all things" is better translated as "assess/analyze". In the King James it's all the same, which is (just) one reason when I led Bible studies I refused to allow the use of the King James.

 

[Kulindahr]

Not really. They believe they know, based on what others believe to be in the Bible. For instance, many still believe the Bible teaches that God helps those who help themselves......

I think that's the most commonly attributed phrase that isn't actually in there. OTOH, there's a certain truth in it, in that if you already have the means to do something, praying to ask God to do it for you so you don't have to make any effort is basically condemned.

But that is completely opposite of what the Bible really teaches. It teaches that everybody has sinned and separated him/herself from God. And that none of us is capable of breaking that separation on our own, it just isn't humanly possible..... so God had to send help. We also learn that no one is inferior as we are all in the same boat, so to speak.

Oswald Hoffman, founder and long-time preacher for The Lutheran Hour, once isolated a single statement from the Old Testament as telling us how we're to read all the condemnations of things. It's from the story where King David arranged to get himself another man's wife; the prophet Nathan described the situation to the king in a sort of parable, and when the king got pissed and said the guy should be punished, Nathan pronounced, "You are the man!" That's how the entire Old Testament should be read, not looking for things to condemn others for, but to realize that the rebellion and selfishness and flawed nature we need to worry about is within ourselves (what Jesus was getting at with the bit about getting the beam out of your own eye before pointing out there's a speck in your neighbor's).

So, yeah..... All those people who supposedly know what the Bible teaches but can't follow it's teachings........ They can't all be willfully disobeying.......

But in either case, Christianity is NOT what is being practiced.

That's why Luther taught that a Christian should begin every day anew, realizing we're going to screw it up.....

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Another patronising pollie making a mess of things

I've thought long and hard about people who "changed their mind" after meeting someone personally. I've come to the conclusion that these people are Nazis in the making.

I don't personally know a single Native American. Does it make it ok for me to discriminate against them?

My question to these people who changed their minds is what other groups of people do they get a hard-on oppressing because they don't personally know members of those communities?

Thus Jesus' statement "As you have done to the least of these, you have done to Me". "The least of these" points to whoever you look down on the most.

 

[Willie Boy]

That's why Luther taught that a Christian should begin every day anew, realizing we're going to screw it up.....

Too often, though, that is used as an excuse to not even try. A true Christian is one who accepts that he isn't infallible, but makes every effort NOT to fail anyway. And when he/she does fall gets back up, corrects the mistake and continues forward still attempting to do right.

The average so-called believer rarely even opens his/her Bible and therefor has no real understanding of right or wrong, simply jumping from what others suggest to whatever is easiest to do in the situation. This is what the general population sees Christianity to be.

 

[zombiekiller]

Re: Another patronising pollie making a mess of things

Thus Jesus' statement "As you have done to the least of these, you have done to Me". "The least of these" points to whoever you look down on the most.

I can name a dozen faith leaders that would disagree with you, including the pope.

What you are saying is nothing new, that your interpretation of Christian faith is the right one and everyone else is wrong.

 

[HoodedRat]

It's when you don't grasp the work as a whole ....

But there is no 'work as a whole'. The modern Christian Bible is a collection of unrelated books written down over a period of centuries by a multitude of disparate authors (although obviously none of the the original manuscripts are still extant). The notion of 'the work as a whole' is a fiction.

 

[star-warrior]

But there is no 'work as a whole'. The modern Christian Bible is a collection of unrelated books written down over a period of centuries by a multitude of disparate authors (although obviously none of the the original manuscripts are still extant). The notion of 'the work as a whole' is a fiction.

 

[Kulindahr]

Too often, though, that is used as an excuse to not even try. A true Christian is one who accepts that he isn't infallible, but makes every effort NOT to fail anyway. And when he/she does fall gets back up, corrects the mistake and continues forward still attempting to do right.

To go back to Luther: his phrase was "sin boldly, and pray more boldly still". It doesn't come out quite right in modern English; the point is to charge ahead, knowing you're going to screw up.

 

[Kulindahr]

I can name a dozen faith leaders that would disagree with you, including the pope.

What you are saying is nothing new, that your interpretation of Christian faith is the right one and everyone else is wrong.

If the pope would disagree with my point, that would mean he's drastically changed Roman Catholic teaching.

 

[pat grimshaw]

There's more drama.

The grumpy people called the police—

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-teacher-gave-books-tackling-homophobia.html