Far Right Suggests Civil War

[NickCole]

You responded directly to me and mentioned Obama Democrats.

Yep. What you wrote sounds to me like the kind of response Obama Democrats have to opposition, so I posted that observation. That doesn't mean I assumed you're a Democrat. I don't care which party you're registered with or if you're registered at all; my comment was about Obama Democrats, not your party affiliation.

With the nature of what you write around here at Just Us Boys, NickCole, you may be quite comfortable with the Hannity group. Go ahead—give them a chance! (If you haven't already.)

I'm not sure what you mean by the Hannity group.

I've watched Hannity & Combs.

Alan Combs strikes me as inept and an uncomfortable personality. Hannity seems like a bully and not all that bright. Not my cuppa. I don't really like any of those shows anymore, from the left or the right. Guess I grew out of them.

 

[Kulindahr]

your government should throw all far right movement to the asylum and get them well.The delusion of those people are never ending.

Ah, a believer in the Soviet system of political correctness!

 

[Kulindahr]

The country is starting to shift left, i.e. progress.

If you believe that the government owns us, I suppose you could call it progress. Personally, if the country were shifting libertarian, that's what I'd call progress.

 

[Kulindahr]

No you're not. An evolved human being is aware that it takes all types to form a balanced country, world, universe, etc. An America where everyone agreed and everyone always got their way is unrealistic. The Beauty of our country is that we are so diverse. If Obama pushes this country in a Marxist direction and the majority of us disapprove we have a chance in 2012 to get rid of him. If McCain, as accused in this forum, uses his presidency to force conservative morality into law against the design of the constitution, we in 2012 can get rid of him. There will not be a civil war. The world is moving in the direction of an International Republic of Nations not a bunch of segregated micro-states. If we all had to live in a country where we agreed with everyone on everything we wud all be alone in out own seperate country. People are stressed bcuz of terrorism and economic challenges and are freaking out. People seem to be more emotional now than ever.

A possible civil war wouldn't be between Republican and Democrat, but between the people and the pockets of power who think that people are game pieces to be pushed around and managed to increase their own wealth and power.

An "International Republic of Nations"? If it comes about, it will be about as much a "Republic" as was the Soviet Union.

 

[Centexfarmer]

That reminds me rather disturbingly of a point in Roman history when two factions accused the other of wanting tyranny... and were quite willing to impose their own tyranny in order to stop the other.

True.

Especially when confronted with arguments like Hannity's:

Instead of sitting in our homes, lets just get rid of them. What do ya say?

I can honestly say that I don't want my kids living under the tyranny that Democrats seek for America.... I am more than willing to die fighting them to preserve my children's future.

Especially when you have a group that's equally as fervent for protecting America from a fascists theocracy.

 

[MystikWizard]

I firmly believe there is going to be some forms of violence coming out of this election, no matter who wins this thing.

 

[Centexfarmer]

I firmly believe there is going to be some forms of violence coming out of this election, no matter who wins this thing.

Please define "violence."

Violence from words, or physical confrontation?

And can it be any worse that what we've already witnessed?

 

[ColorSlaughter]

The fact that this is being discussed seriously on more than a handful of message boards and creeping its way into real world discussion is telling of the country at large.

The fact that anyone is even considering it is making me ill.

 

[MystikWizard]

Please define "violence."

Violence from words, or physical confrontation?

And can it be any worse that what we've already witnessed?

Words are a given.

But I expect some race riots to break out if Obama does not get elected. I'm not saying it will be rampant, but I am expecting incidents to break out in Los Angeles, New York, Philadelphia, DC, and other major cities.

If Obama gets elected, I believe there will be a handful of hate crime incidents that will take place against Blacks from White Supremist Groups.

I would love to believe that our society has advanced enough to accept that we are past this point, but I think most of us know we haven't.

 

[Kulindahr]

Let's see. You have a group of people spreading lies about Obama being Muslim and even making racist remarks about him en mass. On the other end you have people calling Bush a Nazi and Palin a cunt, whore, slut, etc. Just how far removed are we from violence?

A sociology prof I took a class from once said that as a society we are never more than three meals away from violence. Does that factor in?

 

[Kulindahr]

Words are a given.

But I expect some race riots to break out if Obama does not get elected. I'm not saying it will be rampant, but I am expecting incidents to break out in Los Angeles, New York, Philadelphia, DC, and other major cities.

If Obama gets elected, I believe there will be a handful of hate crime incidents that will take place against Blacks from White Supremist Groups.

I would love to believe that our society has advanced enough to accept that we are past this point, but I think most of us know we haven't.

If I might indulge in fantasy for a moment....

Kulindahr is coming out of his favorite gay bar just as three skinheads throw a black gal against the wall and shove her white date into traffic. Nervous but pissed, he checks the area, draws his .357 Ruger SP101 and yells, "Armed citizen! Hands in the air!"

Next morning headlines: BI RESCUES BLACK -- IS IT THE 'GAY-R-A'?

 

[petereater]

Kulindahr, not sure where that came from so I wil respond to the thread at large. I do believe we will see violence regardless of the outcome. My biggest fear is that in the next two weeks some feeble minded right wing nutjob will hear Palin calling for those that are angry to stand up and make a change and see it as a calling to kill Obama. I pray it doesn't happen. But I think someone will try and when that happens, this country will be turned on its head. And there will be no help from "friendly nations" cause they will not know whom to side with. It is ugly now and I fear it will only get uglier if this type of hate speech from McCain/Palin continues.

 

[petereater]

you saw that too!

 

[petereater]

hollister, I do believe that you ammended you statement that I replied to adding an additional paragraph. That is so misleading. And in the same tone. McCain/Palin aren't calling for anyone to commit a heinous act but their hate speech is stirring the pool and there could absolutely be someone out there that believes they are the one being spoken directly to, to carry out such a deed. To not consider such a scenario is short-minded. McCain speaks out of one side of his mouth while the other side contridicts what he is assailing as politics he wants no part of.

 

[Kulindahr]

What is the movement for gays to get concealed guns? I think it is a great idea!!

Just read my siggy.

 

[NickCole]

Both sides are fueling division and some other website with their disrespectful way of reacting to our differences.

Just the notion that there will be violence no matter who wins on November 4 shows it. Not that I believe there will be violence if Obama is elected. But that people here --Obama supporters from what I can tell-- are predicting it says something. People don't generally have a violent response to reconcilation and respect.

 

[NickCole]

And this post is an example of just how one gets whipped up on the other side. I haven't seen one source of McCain/Palin whipping the crowd up into an racist tirade. Nor have I seen it from Obama.

That's because it hasn't happened.

The Obama campaign puts out the meme to the media and supporters, who fuel it and next thing you know something that never happened is being talked about --with Outrage!-- as if it not only happened but happened repeatedly and defines the opponent.

Once the seed's been planted, then all you have to do is find something that seems like it's kinda sorta the same thing, send that around and it reinforces the original lie.

It's an old Atwater/Rove trick.

 

[naked gent]

Both sides are fueling division and some other website with their disrespectful way of reacting to our differences.

Just the notion that there will be violence no matter who wins on November 4 shows it. Not that I believe there will be violence if Obama is elected. But that people here --Obama supporters from what I can tell-- are predicting it says something. People don't generally have a violent response to reconcilation and respect.

I don't think there will be any violence either but I do think what this is all indicative of is that losing graciously is an attribute fewer and fewer americans seem to be concerned with.

Its not like this is a phenomenon confined to right wing nut jobs as many of Mrs. Clinton's supporters exhibited the same sore loser skills when their candidate went down to defeat with their suggestions that Obama was dividing the democratic party and that women would not turn out to support him none of which had any basis in fact.

The true believers may scream the loudest but, thankfully, for the most part it falls on deaf ears.

 

[JayHawk]

I doubt you will see a civil war. This generation doesnt have the moxy to work hard much less sacrifice.

There will be no Military Coup either. You may see a large number of resigned commissions or simply tacit agreement with the boss without going out on the edge to make his ideas succeed. You saw that with Carter and to some degree with Clinton. But a coup, I doubt it.

The best thing that can happen to the right will be a Liberal Majority in the House, Senate and White House. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. As it did with an all conservative control so it will with libs at the helm as some of their dubious backgrounds have already suggested.

One can only hope that this last eight years and the next four will drive these far right and far left nutjobs so far off the center that a centrist can come forward and take the middle again.

 

[NickCole]

I don't think there will be any violence either but I do think what this is all indicative of is that losing graciously is an attribute fewer and fewer americans seem to be concerned with.

Its not like this is a phenomenon confined to right wing nut jobs as many of Mrs. Clinton's supporters exhibited the same sore loser skills when their candidate went down to defeat with their suggestions that Obama was dividing the democratic party and that women would not turn out to support him none of which had any basis in fact.

The true believers may scream the loudest but, thankfully, for the most part it falls on deaf ears.

Even worse than sore losers are sore winners, as we saw with Bush Republicans and Obama Democrats.