Ferguson Grand Jury Results

[TX-Beau]

The jury was paraded by a pageant of 60 witnesses. I'm confident that was sufficient.

A crime must specifically be mentioned by statute. Not every wrong that occurs between two people is a crime, even if it should be. However, there is always the possibility of civil damages.

Why are you "confident" that was sufficient? Do you know something the rest of us don't? Do you have that much faith in the character of the DA?

No offense but it's fucking obvious that something that is criminal is something that is prohibited by law - I believe we covered that in fourth grade social studies. The question at hand is whether the cops actions were criminal.

The Fed could certainly decide to prosecute criminally, the family could sue, any number of things could happen, what's certain is that this isn't the end of it.

 

[frankfrank]

This post makes no sense. What good would EMTs have done? He was dead. If he had been alive, EMTs would obviously have transported him to a hospital. Since he was dead, and there was a potential crime scene, it makes sense to leave things undisturbed until the scene can properly be examined and documented.

How did they know that he was dead, if nobody was there to ascertain that? He was PROBABLY dead, but I'd like to know if anybody at all had any access to tell for sure.

The death scene could have been protected by covering Brown with a blanket. From what I've seen in the past, that is generally always done - quickly.

Furthermore, why was there no police report? Or did one turn up well after the fact? During the first few days, though, I heard questioning about the lack of any police report at all, but that was a forgotten issue before September arrived.

This is all very suspicious.

 

[Alnitak]

Why are you "confident" that was sufficient? Do you know something the rest of us don't? Do you have that much faith in the character of the DA?

It's not a matter of faith. That is a lot of witnesses, and the DA can show more at pretiral than at trial.

No offense but it's fucking obvious that something that is criminal is something that is prohibited by law - I believe we covered that in fourth grade social studies. The question at hand is whether the cops actions were criminal.

No it's not obvious. We have two sets of laws, one is codified and the other common. In common law, not everything that is actionable has to be prohibited by law. In the last century, common law crimes have slowly been eliminated from our justice system. You probably didn't learn that in the fourth grade. I am not offended, but you are too worked up to think clearly. Also, the law is my major study in college.

 

[TX-Beau]

Please, perhaps you can point us to all that criminal law that's just customary, and no, we don't have "two sets" of criminal laws written and unwritten which you admit yourself. Our entire legal system is based on English Common Law, which certainly isn't what your are making it our to be.

Where is it that there are criminal penalties for offenses that aren't written down, therefore, "codified."

Go on, I dare you. Where?

You dance about, pretending I'm an hysteric, and yet the only question of any relevance is whether or not the actions of the cop were criminal - that would be the codified kind.

You have made your pronouncement, based on no more information than anyone else has at this point. So fucking what, You aren't in possession of anything more than an opinion, just like the rest of us.

 

[TX-Beau]

Oh yeah and I repeat, all your "confidence," is based on the veracity of the DA, who of course is so upstanding and moral he couldn't possibly have an agenda.

 

[london12]

They blocked traffic on a major highway last night over here. If you block a highway, you should be arrested. I liked what the car in Minneapolis did, just go through them.

 

[JayQueer]

Oh yeah and I repeat, all your "confidence," is based on the veracity of the DA, who of course is so upstanding and moral he couldn't possibly have an agenda.

And none of the Ferguson protesters have an agenda? Michael Brown's stepfather who yelled "Burn this motherf****r down!" has no agenda?

Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson have no agenda? Each of these men has made MILLIONS profiting off of white-on-black crime (even making up lies to suit their own interests, see Tawana Brawley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations) while ignoring the fact that over 90% of crime committed against black people are by other black people. Where are the protests for those 90% of black people? Are their lives less important than Michael Brown?

If you don't like your elected leaders or the people they appoint you get involved in your community & you VOTE in elections. You don't burn your own city down, loot all the stores, & then blame white people because businesses never return.

Ferguson is the next Detroit.

Let's look at the facts, not emotions:

1. Michael Brown robbed a store. He & his friend stole cigarillos and other items. Michael Brown at 6'5" and close to 300 pounds intimated and shoved the store employee who tried to stop Michael Brown & his friend from leaving.

2. The autopsy findings by the doctor Michael Brown's parents chose supports Officer Wilson's story. The witnesses changed their stories several times and some stuck to their original story even when the evidence disproved them. Michael Brown did not put his hands up. He tried to fight Officer Wilson just like he shoved the store employee a few minutes before.

3. If you threaten a police officer on duty, yes, they can & will use deadly force against you. Police officers do have more rights than the rest of us because they are sworn to serve and protect the community as a whole. Police officers are not there to babysit you, make up for lack of good parenting or protect you from yourself. Police officers shoot as the last resort, but if you do not listen to the police officer's commands they will shoot you, and possibly kill you. It doesn't matter whether you're black, white, purple, or neon green.

This was the right decision by the grand jury. But there is no winner here. Michael Brown's mother is hurting right now & the death of any young person is tragic.

As much as I'm not a fan of President Obama, I do wish that the people in Ferguson would listen to President Obama & stop all of the looting & destruction of their own community.

 

[Alnitak]

Please, perhaps you can point us to all that criminal law that's just customary, and no, we don't have "two sets" of criminal laws written and unwritten which you admit yourself. Our entire legal system is based on English Common Law, which certainly isn't what your are making it our to be.

Where is it that there are criminal penalties for offenses that aren't written down, therefore, "codified."

Go on, I dare you. Where?

You dance about, pretending I'm an hysteric, and yet the only question of any relevance is whether or not the actions of the cop were criminal - that would be the codified kind.

You have made your pronouncement, based on no more information than anyone else has at this point. So fucking what, You aren't in possession of anything more than an opinion, just like the rest of us.

 

[hotatlboi]

Saw a great point made on another forum about this.

There are racial prejudices in the application of law enforcement, I don't think anyone intelligent can deny that.

But the black community will not move forward on that issue when they make their stands with guys like this.

This guy robbed a liquor store and then assaulted a cop. It's unfortunate he died but when you do freaking stupid shit like that bad things usually happen.

It be far more productive and generate more support if protests were made over cases of actual injustice i.e. totally innocent people being racially profiled and then shot or arrested for no good reason, of which their are plenty of cases. Some examples here: http://politic365.com/2012/03/19/trayvon-martin-and-7-black-men-who-should-be-alive-today/.

 

[Kulindahr]

^
Good point. I can think of two more that belong on that list, too.

 

[Benvolio]

The examples do not prove prejudice. No doubt mistakes occurr in police dealing with white people as well. Historically, a majority of violent crimes are committed by blacks, and police are often the victims.

 

[cocksucker4use]

The examples do not prove prejudice. No doubt mistakes occurr in police dealing with white people as well. Historically, a majority of violent crimes are committed by blacks, and police are often the victims.

Hey, Jubbers. Sorry to go a bit off topic. However, this statement peeked my curiosity.

Benvolio, interesting statement. I checked FBI stats for persons charged with violent crimes by ethnicity at:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

Blacks are about a 13% minority in the US vs. whitey whites (non-mixed; non-hispanic) are 62% of the population. In 2012 Blacks were charged with ~ 38% of violent crimes.
In murder, whites and Blacks were about the same at 3,800 vs. 3,900, respectively. Forcible rape is white territory at twice the rate for Blacks (7,800 vs. 3,900). Robbery: Blacks at 33,000 edged out Whites at 30,000. However, Aggravated Assault is a White Thang (173,000) over Black (90,000). Please note, this speaks to charges, not arrests, which are a huge number, nor convictions. I don't handily find data on police as victims of violent crime.

So, Benvolio, based on this, you are partly correct. Blacks lead slightly in murder and robbery. However, they trail badly in forcible rape and aggravated battery. By this, Blacks are charged with violent crimes disproportionately related to population distribution.

 

[Benvolio]

Your FBI chart does not separate Hispanics from whites, since Hispanic, as such, is not a race. The result unfairly and inaccurately distorts the figures for white crime.

 

[chrisrobin]

Your FBI chart does not separate Hispanics from whites, since Hispanic, as such, is not a race. The result unfairly and inaccurately distorts the figures for white crime.

And White folks... they be part of an oppressed minority for so long!

 

[Benvolio]

And White folks... they be part of an oppressed minority for so long!

We certainly are oppressed by minority crime and welfare dependency.

 

[chrisrobin]

 

[RalphD]

Darren Wilson was a hot cop! I came across a rookie picture of him. He was a tough hombre.
Before his encounter with Michael Brown he received a commendation for physically subduing two
black drug dealers by himself. One was, like Brown, nearly a 300 pounder. Wilson is 6' 4" and 210 pounds
and muscular. Brown was same height but a fat guy. I bet Wilson, who was trained in hand-to-hand
combat, could have taken him to the ground, but when you are being charged after being physically attacked,
you sometimes need to go for the weapon. 28 year old Wilson had personal issues at the same time. He was
fucking his woman supervisor, who was almost ten years older than him and in a long term relationship
with a 54 year old guy. The older guy walked in on them late one night and there was fireworks. I wonder if Wilson
had just pulled his big cock out of her. He knew better to take on the young alpha male stud so he wound up making a scene,
hitting him with a pillow, and kicking and denting Wilson's car door. His soon to be ex-girlfriend may have been
knocked up with Wilson's baby by then. I think she gave birth later that year.

 

[DantheManFL]

That shirtless pic is so obviously fake. He looks kind of inbred to me. Yuck.

They wear black and blue uniforms.

 

[rareboy]

^ This. The shirtless pic is laughably bad.

And he does look like the product of cousins fucking.

 

[frankfrank]