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Florida's Food Terrorists

A question of not having the requisite permit.

I quote from the article:

At issue is a city law, the "Large Group Feeding" ordinance, which requires groups to obtain a permit to serve food, even for free, to groups of 25 or more. Such permits are granted to any group only twice per year. Orlando Food Not Bombs has already used both of its allowed permits this year.

Homeless, and hungry people; not in our backyard.
 
It would be curious to know how old the ordinance is. It wouldn't surprise me to find out it's been enacted in the past 10 years.

For Republicans, in recent years, it has become MUCH more in vogue to hate on the homeless and the poor, and they've even become brazen enough to say so far and wide...and a lot of people in dire economic straits STILL vote for them, often because of issues like abortion or their shared dislike of "f****ts."
 
The law in it's current form is dated July 2010. Although there are references to similar ordinances, which I believe the courts invalidated going back about 5 years or so.
 
I was always amazed how much trouble I could get into for delivering the unused foods from my bistro to a homeless shelter. One the shelter wouldn't take it and two my insurance company would drop me after three the city fined me for doing so. This is perfectly good food that a mere half an hour earlier it was perfectly legal for me to sell to patrons but I can't then give it to the poor instead of trashing it.

It really made me sick and made me hate Virginia even more than I already did hate the 'commonwealth'. I didn't realize other states were quite as ignorant.

Truly a shame. A easy way we could have a win for feeding people in our country and a bureaucratic fuck wad made it impossible.
 
It's Florida. People here like to pretend they live in paradise, and fixing society's problems isn't a worry of theirs; sweeping them under the rug is good enough for them. They're passing these feeding bans all across the state.
 
As long as they're peacefully assembling, I see no room for government action. The right to peaceably assemble trumps any arbitrary limit on how many of them can eat, and how many of them can be serving the food.
 
This one is pretty complicated. On one hand, you hate the idea of equating homeless people to pigeons - don't feed them, they will just come back in bigger numbers once word gets out. I'm sure the idea that these could quickly become statewide rallies of tens of thousands of people is a big concern.

On the other hand, this is isn't a genuine goodwill gesture by the donor; it's about political indoctrination of these people. Using a basic human necessity to force them to absorb the poltical views of those providing the food is tough for me. However churches have done this for a long, long time.

The residents and businesses in that area really do want some degree of control, and it's just more involved than the story appears. Just as one example, there is no plan to clean up after these events, so all the food that is dropped, etc., goes to the animals or decays in place. That's not really great for the animals, not saying that animals are more important than people, just saying that there are many sides.
 
^Let's stop feeding the hungry because they are pests, just like pigeons, and better off not being seen, or heard from for fear that they might cause us embarrassment, by reminding us that far too many of us are eating our way into a glutton's paradise where diabetes reigns supreme.
 
kallipolis said:
As if littering is monopolised by the hungry.
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If the hungry are going to assemble, they still have to be peaceful.

But I can't find any justification for an arbitrary limit of 25 people -- I've been a gatherings of 20,000 where the grounds were actually cleaner after we left than when we arrived (the organizers got a letter of astonished compliment that on one side of the grounds, someone had removed all the non-native wild species, manually; some of those were toxic to wildlife and most were listed as pests or intrusive; in another spot, some attendees had raked out ridges in the gravel road and filled the pot holes!). Portland Pride, as I recall, got complimented one year for having a parade route cleaner after the parade than before, and that's thousands of people. So numbers of people correlate poorly with litter.

I call the law unconstitutional. If they want to deal with litter, there has to be another route. If they're trying to ration the use of the park, well, that's obviously not needed if this group can be there so consistently.
 
^I have yet to read reports of hungry people rioting in the public parks, and squares of America's great cities.

The numbers game is arbitrary and reflects the mentality of the city hall official whose experience with hunger is predictably revealed in not having eaten for three hours.
 
For anyone wanting to help, Feeding America (formerly Americas Second Harvest) is a great charitable organization that takes food and/or money to help feed those in need. They partner with grocery stores and restaurants as well to channel food that otherwise might be disgarded to local food banks and shelters.

http://feedingamerica.org/#
 
First up, Buddy Dyer, the mayor of Orlando is a long time Democrat and former president of the state senate from when it was controlled by Democrats. He's been the mayor here for almost 10 years now.

They are not banned from feeding the homeless in downtown, only in certain areas. The issue is that they want to feed them in Lake Eola Park, which is a major Downtown Orlando landmark (it's fountain being part of the city's logo), as well as a major place for recreation and gathering for city residents. These feedings are disruptive to the people and families who want to enjoy the park.

If you think it's a matter of getting the homeless out of the public's eye, Food Not Bombs are free to feed the people elsewhere, even at City Hall if they so choose.
 
MoltenRock III said:
For anyone wanting to help, Feeding America (formerly Americas Second Harvest) is a great charitable organization that takes food and/or money to help feed those in need. They partner with grocery stores and restaurants as well to channel food that otherwise might be disgarded to local food banks and shelters.

http://feedingamerica.org/#
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I know I'm deviating a little, but they are an awesome organization. As a comment on corporate donations, I had a client last year who had her salespeople decorate about 150 pumpkins. She wanted them donated afterwards. I worked it out with Second Harvest, and they were glad to have them.

When she found out that they were being used for food, vs decorative purposes she had a meltdown! I explained the significance of their work, and that some other charity who might use them decoratively, would only throw them away. Also, no one could take 150 pumpkins in a nursing home or whatever. It's just ironic how our attitudes towards food and charity can get skewed.
 
jdoe4822 said:
First up, Buddy Dyer, the mayor of Orlando is a long time Democrat and former president of the state senate from when it was controlled by Democrats. He's been the mayor here for almost 10 years now.

They are not banned from feeding the homeless in downtown, only in certain areas. The issue is that they want to feed them in Lake Eola Park, which is a major Downtown Orlando landmark (it's fountain being part of the city's logo), as well as a major place for recreation and gathering for city residents. These feedings are disruptive to the people and families who want to enjoy the park.

If you think it's a matter of getting the homeless out of the public's eye, Food Not Bombs are free to feed the people elsewhere, even at City Hall if they so choose.
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Then let the well fed be disrupted, embarrassed and inconvenienced that the hungry may be fed in a public park, and the general public learn that our hungry neighbour also has a right not to die from hunger while others gorge themselves into a gluttonous hell of obesity.
 
jdoe4822 said:
First up, Buddy Dyer, the mayor of Orlando is a long time Democrat and former president of the state senate from when it was controlled by Democrats. He's been the mayor here for almost 10 years now.

They are not banned from feeding the homeless in downtown, only in certain areas. The issue is that they want to feed them in Lake Eola Park, which is a major Downtown Orlando landmark (it's fountain being part of the city's logo), as well as a major place for recreation and gathering for city residents. These feedings are disruptive to the people and families who want to enjoy the park.

If you think it's a matter of getting the homeless out of the public's eye, Food Not Bombs are free to feed the people elsewhere, even at City Hall if they so choose.
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Yes, it's come to this. Feeding the poor and homeless makes you a terrorist. Mayor Dyer is a horse's ass if he believes that to be true.

The parks belong to everyone to enjoy, not just those who have a home. If the sight of the poor is so offensive, maybe Mayor Dyer should work a little harder on getting them work and no so hard on starving them to death.

This organization is feeding these people at no expense to the taxpayers of Orlando. They are to be commended for doing so, not labeled as terrorists.

The fact that Dyer is a democrat is no excuse for his outrageous behavior. He should be ashamed!
 
Gatorguy said:
I know I'm deviating a little, but they are an awesome organization. As a comment on corporate donations, I had a client last year who had her salespeople decorate about 150 pumpkins. She wanted them donated afterwards. I worked it out with Second Harvest, and they were glad to have them.

When she found out that they were being used for food, vs decorative purposes she had a meltdown! I explained the significance of their work, and that some other charity who might use them decoratively, would only throw them away. Also, no one could take 150 pumpkins in a nursing home or whatever. It's just ironic how our attitudes towards food and charity can get skewed.
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The cook at the time at the retirement community where my mom lived for a few years wasn't aware that the thirty pumpkins around the place as jack o'lanterns could still be used as food! For three days they were decorations, then they became pies, after I explained that I'd made pumpkin pies for years out of our grotesque gourds.
 
Kulindahr said:
The cook at the time at the retirement community where my mom lived for a few years wasn't aware that the thirty pumpkins around the place as jack o'lanterns could still be used as food! For three days they were decorations, then they became pies, after I explained that I'd made pumpkin pies for years out of our grotesque gourds.
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Well that is nice and practical. My point was that the client was offended that I was offering them to feed the hungry vs. finding someone to admire them for another few days then throw them out. And, let's be honest, they were decorated by sales reps who had been drinking heavily; they weren't exactly Picasso pieces...but they would were ideal for a great soup or one of your pies!
 
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