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Food Safety

JayHawk

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California salmonella death was 65-year-old woman

Okay so this lady was killed by the salmonella outbreak that occurred in Cargill Ground Turkey products.

Troubling part is the first reported illness occurred FIVE MONTHS AGO

I personally think this and infrastructure should be where we focus and grow government. This person's family should demand the government be held accountable for the lady's death. It should not be political. It should be a-political if you will. She should hold both sides accountable for not providing for the safety of the American people which is one of the real jobs of our government IMHO.

That was my initial thought. I would make such a freaking ruckus. I would refuse to speak with or on behalf of any party against any other. I would instead hold the civil servants who do not actually serve anyone but themselves accountable.

I think the news outlets would eat it up. I also think that a citizens approach to holding both parties responsible is the only route to successful legislation occurring. otherwise each party is so freaking wrapped up in their theoretical platforms policies that they lose sight of actually doing something.

ARgghhhhh
 
^ I agree totally.

See. We actually think alike a lot of the time.

The tragedy is that there will always be food related deaths because it is always impossible to avoid bacteria....no matter how hard we try.

But a few years ago, when Maple Leaf Foods killed a whole bunch of people with some bad meat, the way they handled it was so impressive that I bought into the company.

In the US though, the idea is apparently that self-interestwill prevent food companies form cutting corners on inspections and cleaning procedures.

It just doesn't work that way.

BTW. Do you like my new avatar and sig?

Oh. and Turkey and mayo sandwich anyone? We have some left over from our picnic earlier today.
 
Obama got so much flack for his Food Safety Act by the Salmonilla Republicans. They also cut the FDA funding in the government shutdown hostage taking, and want to cut it back even more.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/85186/salmonella-fda-budget-cut-republican


Since Republicans are pro-capital punishment I'm sure they'd embrace China's solution when it dealt with the contaminated milk and other such fraud and negligence by corporations or lawmakers... They execute them.
 
LOL.... I had honestly never noticed the sig... I love the avie... :) THANKS.... man now I gotta get creative.

As a side note I was out at the University of Kansas most of today. They have signs on the light poles that say "JayHawk Proud" so I was laughing my ass off. I have people........

SO I guess I am going to have to get creative now on my siggie and the Avatar is getting worn out after so long.

On the topic at hand; I believe they could mandate different things that would be a step forward. A good first step would be to require the "fresh wash" sprays be used on all veggies and fruits. I buy them in the store that way. I have seen way too many recalls and scares in the last few years. You can not wash salmonella out of meat BUT you can cook it away. The turkey eatin would have been safe if it had a through and through temperature of 160 degrees. SO I do that type of thing too.

I have always eaten fresh things and prefer to cook fresh meats. However, with my new diet choices I am currently eating ALL fresh. SO it is really a concern for me.
 
I don't know about the decedent's area, but my local health department has lost 25% of its staff and 50% of its budget in the last 4 years. The director of the department retired, and they couldn't afford to replace him, so the remaining staff now carry on without supervision.

Our health clinic and STD clinic have closed as a result of these cuts. (My county happens to be #3 in the state in STD incidence).

They do their best to keep up, but they are forced to do significantly fewer inspections than in years past.

We are in a budget crisis, and they say more cuts are coming.
 
MoltenRock III said:
Obama got so much flack for his Food Safety Act by the Salmonilla Republicans. They also cut the FDA funding in the government shutdown hostage taking, and want to cut it back even more.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/85186/salmonella-fda-budget-cut-republican


Since Republicans are pro-capital punishment I'm sure they'd embrace China's solution when it dealt with the contaminated milk and other such fraud and negligence by corporations or lawmakers... They execute them.
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I concur. A couple beheading of QA inspectors at the meat plants and the other will shape the fuck up.... lol


Where is Kim Jung Il when ya need him?

Deport Air boarding for Pyung Yang....
 
JayHawk said:
I concur. A couple beheading of QA inspectors at the meat plants and the other will shape the fuck up.... lol


Where is Kim Jung Il when ya need him?

Deport Air boarding for Pyung Yang....
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Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of the CEO of Cargill or senior manager responsible for such food safety being taken out back behind the wood shed. Had the US done that with the banking community after the S&L Crisis the last banking meltdown, doubtfully would have happened. ;) :badgrin:
 
when you have the ability as a developed and civilized nation to improve health and in turn reduce healthcare costs, and you refuse to, just to save a short term buck then yes...

its right to hold the fuckers accountable.

is it right to turn the USA into a third world nation to further feed the greed of the uber wealthy?

how much money was a life worth? write a letter to her family.

You people don't even believe in civilization anymore.

revolting
 
rareboy said:
^ I agree totally.

See. We actually think alike a lot of the time.

The tragedy is that there will always be food related deaths because it is always impossible to avoid bacteria....no matter how hard we try.

But a few years ago, when Maple Leaf Foods killed a whole bunch of people with some bad meat, the way they handled it was so impressive that I bought into the company.

In the US though, the idea is apparently that self-interestwill prevent food companies form cutting corners on inspections and cleaning procedures.

It just doesn't work that way.

BTW. Do you like my new avatar and sig?

Oh. and Turkey and mayo sandwich anyone? We have some left over from our picnic earlier today.
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Only if you left it out in the sun.:rolleyes:
 
I see several problems with Food Safety in this country.

As someone who once grew Organically grown fruits and vegetables for "market" salmonella and other pathogens were never a problem for me or my fellow market growers.

Why? Because there was no way that our fresh produce would ever come in contact with such pathogens.

From our fields directly to the Farmer's Market.

Commercially grown produce on the other hand, even if grown "organically" has to pass through so many hands; the pickers, the packagers, the shippers, delivery, the merchandisers, and the sellers, and ultimately the consumer.

So the FDA, and the USDA, and even OSHA put into place "handling procedures" which set safety standards for how all foods; meat and produce are handled.

It's SOP in my daily job working for a "mega-mart," and if you handle food destined for public consumption, whether you're a "Mom & Pop" diner, selling fast food, a local grocery chain, a convenience store, a mega-mart, or a local grower selling at the local Farmer's Market YOU ARE REGULATED by not only Federal Law, but also Local, State, and County Laws.

All of the food safety issues that we've experienced here in America over the past several years have taken place on a "Commercial/Corporate" level; salmonella in spinach, peanut butter, Nestle Cookie dough, e-Coli in beef, chicken and turkey, happened on a multi-billion dollar commercial level.

So as Americans we're required to accept responsibility either as consumers or taxpayers for what we choose to put into our mouths.

As consumers we can choose to support local growers, who are also regulated, or we can buy our foods that was produced hundreds, thousands, if now half a world away by corporate suppliers. And then to prepare and to cook that food in a healthy and safe way.

As taxpayers we can demand that our Government invest more money in "Food Inspectors," and enforcers of Health Codes, and Food Handling, which will be taken out of our "tax returns" each year, and at the expense of other services, or allow Corporations to factor into the cost of those products "class action lawsuits" for the "occassional deaths" as a result of "human error" and lax heath inspections.

These are our options. ;)
 
MoltenRock III said:
Obama got so much flack for his Food Safety Act by the Salmonilla Republicans. They also cut the FDA funding in the government shutdown hostage taking, and want to cut it back even more.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/85186/salmonella-fda-budget-cut-republican


Since Republicans are pro-capital punishment I'm sure they'd embrace China's solution when it dealt with the contaminated milk and other such fraud and negligence by corporations or lawmakers... They execute them.
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The article you've cited makes a very good point. The FDA sucks at doing their job. We've had many examples of tainted food being allowed to be sold to an unknowing public despite government inspections. Inspections clearly aren't working.

Perhaps you think it a good idea to reward failure. I don't. Companies should inspect their own food. There should also be a strict liability for allowing tainted food into the market. No more ineffective FDA and our food will be safer because the people selling it to us will be liable.
 
jackoroe said:
The article you've cited makes a very good point. The FDA sucks at doing their job. We've had many examples of tainted food being allowed to be sold to an unknowing public despite government inspections. Inspections clearly aren't working.
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Pray tell how is the government supposed to keep the food chain supply safe when it has 175 inspectors for 300 US ports to examine incoming food products? Do you think examining less than 1% of all food plants / imports per year is "adequate". When Bush was approached to increase funding, what he gave them was a measly 10% of what they were asking for as a minimum.

More than 3,000 people die a year from food poisoning in the United States, and millions more get sick. Translation: A bigger than 9/11 event happens every year in the USA, and yet funding is a tiny fraction of what has been spent on the W.O.T.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1734942...nted-food-rise-inspections-drop/#.TjzNVxybGrY

http://www.m-vac.com/news/news-posts/fda-changes-approach

America gets the government it refuses to pay for.
 
MoltenRock III said:
Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of the CEO of Cargill or senior manager responsible for such food safety being taken out back behind the wood shed. Had the US done that with the banking community after the S&L Crisis the last banking meltdown, doubtfully would have happened. ;) :badgrin:
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See that is our fundamental difference. You blame or assume the CEO is responsible and I can buy the buck stops here theory. I on the other hand believe typically procedures are in place and are not followed because it is easier to work sloppy.

CF I try to eat 'grown locally' items whenever they are available in my price chopper...

Maybe I should pay a butcher to slaughter me some beef, buffalo and chickens and I can pick them up on the regular... AT least it would minimize the processing chain.
 
If I were King, the documentary, "Food, Inc." would be mandatory viewing for every adult in North America.

Buy it, rent it, stream it - Hell, steal the torrent, I don't care, but WATCH IT.

Our country is slowly being poisoned in more ways than one.
 
JayHawk said:
See that is our fundamental difference. You blame or assume the CEO is responsible and I can buy the buck stops here theory. I on the other hand believe typically procedures are in place and are not followed because it is easier to work sloppy.
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Here's an incentive for Corporate Farmers to more closely follow health and safety standards; if a pathogen can be traced back to your farm, lose your Government funded Federal Subsidy.

Check out the Farm Subsidy Database, and just look at how many BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars are given away each year to subsidize Corporate Farms, many of whom are private campaign donors to whichever elected official and party, that keeps those subsidies flowing.

For example here's a summary of the subsidies here in Texas:

  • $24.4 billion in subsidies 1995-2010.
  • $14.9 billion in commodity subsidies.
  • $3.64 billion in crop insurance subsidies.
  • $2.77 billion in conservation subsidies.
  • $3.13 billion in disaster subsidies.
  • Texas ranking: 1 of 50 States
  • Top Commodity Recipients 1995-2010
  • Top Commodity Recipients in 2010
  • 81 percent of farmers in Texas did not collect subsidy payments - according to USDA.
  • Ten percent collected 78 percent of all subsidies.
  • Amounting to $16.1 billion over 16 years.
  • Top 10%: $40,603 average per year between 1995 and 2010.
  • Bottom 80%: $649 average per year between 1995 and 2010.
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Texas ranks #1 out of 50 states receiving Farm Subsidies, and Rural Texas votes Republican.

The same "Free Market" Republicans defending Depression Era FDR "farm subsidies" for the "family farm."

The same "family farms" which have been bought out consolidated, foreclosed, and now owned by Corporate Agriculture.

This just in, now it's in Ill.
Cargill Recalls Potentially Tainted Turkey, Salmonella Sickens 7 in Illinois


Cargill's Tainted Turkey: Just the Tip of the Iceberg?

CF I try to eat 'grown locally' items whenever they are available in my price chopper...

Maybe I should pay a butcher to slaughter me some beef, buffalo and chickens and I can pick them up on the regular... AT least it would minimize the processing chain.
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There are local farmers in your area that do that, you just have to search them out.

You can do that here:

Organic Consumers Association.

Of which I'm (was) a grower member, and now supporter. On the left hand side there's a box that says GET LOCAL, click on your state, and fill in the boxes on your right, and you're on your way. ..|
 
Joshua_me said:
If I were King, the documentary, "Food, Inc." would be mandatory viewing for every adult in North America.
Buy it, rent it, stream it - Hell, steal the torrent, I don't care, but WATCH IT.
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I second that!

FOOD, INC.

Our country is slowly being poisoned in more ways than one.
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What an eye opener. I thought I knew a lot about Corporate Farming and "organics" in this country, and until I watched that I had know idea how little even I knew.

I highly recommend it.

5 Stars! ..|
 
MoltenRock III said:
Pray tell how is the government supposed to keep the food chain supply safe when it has 175 inspectors for 300 US ports to examine incoming food products? Do you think examining less than 1% of all food plants / imports per year is "adequate". When Bush was approached to increase funding, what he gave them was a measly 10% of what they were asking for as a minimum.

More than 3,000 people die a year from food poisoning in the United States, and millions more get sick. Translation: A bigger than 9/11 event happens every year in the USA, and yet funding is a tiny fraction of what has been spent on the W.O.T.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1734942...nted-food-rise-inspections-drop/#.TjzNVxybGrY

http://www.m-vac.com/news/news-posts/fda-changes-approach

America gets the government it refuses to pay for.
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It is the government who tells us the food supply is safe. Why are you prepared to accept this lie as truth? If you know there are so few inspectors, you must therefore know they are incapable of doing what they are supposed to be doing.

Your solution is, not surprisingly, expanding an incompetent government agency to an even bigger incompetent government agency. Make the food producers liable for inspecting and ensuring that what they are putting in our supermarkets is safe. Don't you think there is a market for food products that are guaranteed as being safe? Isn't safety a selling feature of cars nowadays?
 
jack, if they are not doing their jobs due to lack of funding, then how is it logical that the best option is to get rid of them all together.

Its like saying you need to cut off your hand when you get arthritis.

The answer is to effectively manage these orgs and fund them properly, not kill the farm industry because their inspectors are overloaded.

as for allowing the industry to inspect itself? we all saw how well that worked for BP in the gulf of mexico.

Putting the foxes in charge of their own hen house is NOT the answer.
 
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