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Foreclosures

I heard a startling foreclosure statistic the other day--50% of sales in Riverside County and almost 30% of sales in Los Angeles County were from foreclosures. Normally these figures are in the low single digits. I wish I could remember the source now, but I can't find it off hand.

Hold on tight, boys. We haven't reached the bottom of this drop on the roller coaster yet.
 
This is like...DUH....but it does confirm it even more so...


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_re_us/state_finances



Many states appear to be in recession

By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 44 minutes ago



The finances of many states have deteriorated so badly that they appear to be in a recession, regardless of whether that's true for the nation as a whole, a survey of all 50 state fiscal directors concludes.

The situation looks even worse for the fiscal year that begins July 1 in most states.

"Whether or not the national economy is in recession — a subject of ongoing debate — is almost beside the point for some states," said the report to be released Friday by the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The weakening economy is hitting tax revenue in a number of ways: People's discretionary income is being gobbled up by higher food and fuel costs, while the tanking housing market means people are spending less on furniture and appliances associated with buying a house.

The situation is grim in Delaware, with a $69 million gap this year, and bleak in California, with a projected $16 billion budget shortfall over the next two years, the report said. Florida does not expect a rapid turnaround in revenue because of the prolonged real estate slump there.

By mid-April, 16 states and Puerto Rico were reporting shortfalls in their current budgets as the revenue those budgets were built on — typically, taxes — fell short of estimates. That's double the number of states reporting a deficit six months ago.

The NCSL said the news is even worse for the upcoming fiscal year, with 23 states and Puerto Rico already reporting budget shortfalls totaling $26 billion. More than two-thirds of states said they are concerned about next year's budgets.

The results are consistent with a drumbeat of bad economic news for states that several budget groups have produced in the past few months.

Last week, the Washington-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities said 27 states are reporting projected budget shortfalls next year totaling at least $39 billion.

President Bush said Tuesday that the economy was not in a recession but a period of slower growth. However, some economists have pointed to the string of declines in manufacturing orders to argue that the economy has fallen into a recession.

Bolstering their position, the Commerce Department reported Thursday that sales of new homes plunged in March to the lowest level in 16 1/2 years. The government also reported that orders to factories for big-ticket goods fell for a third straight month in March, the longest string of declines since the 2001 recession.

Some states "have declined so much that they appear to be in a recession," the NCSL report said.

It also noted the silver lining for states where the economy is based on energy, such as North Dakota and Wyoming. Alaska is making so much money from oil that it announced an estimated surplus next year of $8 billion, almost twice the state's annual budget.

In North Dakota, revenue is above legislative predictions by 13 percent, and in Louisiana, the oil and gas sector is robust.

"For energy-producing states, the fiscal situation is strong and the outlook is good," the report said.

Among other findings:

_More than half the 16 states reporting deficits this year have cut spending, including $1 billion by Florida lawmakers last year and across-the-board cuts in Nevada. At least eight states are debating raising taxes or fees, including a proposed $1-per-pack cigarette tax increase in Massachusetts to raise $175 million.


_Twelve states, including Georgia, Idaho and Illinois, reported that personal income tax collections were failing to meet estimates, and in eight of these, collections were even below a reduced forecast.

_Many states, including Alabama, Arizona, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada and Wisconsin, plan to tap their rainy day funds, which contain money set aside for fiscal emergencies. Nevada may use its entire rainy day balance.
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On the Net: NCSL: http://www.ncsl.org
 
Keep voting the same assholes in, as the idiot residents of Massachusetts do, and that is what you get. Spending, spending, spending. Now the State is broke.

Now people do the same also, and wonder why their houses are in foreclosure. Here, most people who bought homes with no money down, are losing them. They could not afford it in the first place.
 
I was just looking at some statistics of recent home sales from a local realtor in the local cities (San Gabriel Valley in Los Angeles County). They found that more than 50% of the sales were either bank owned properties or a short-sale (a pre-foreclosure). And there is no end in site to these properties. More are on there way. These sales are primarily on the lower end of the price spectrum.

Normal sellers (not in foreclosures) face two problems:
1. the sale of bank owned properties deos not create move-up buyers, leaving a void to fill that will take time.

2. They are competing with the lower priced foreclosure and short sale inventory for the foreseeable future. They need to price agressively if they want to be successful in selling.

Note: There are a large number of over-priced inventory that simply will not sell. They estimate that roughly 50% of property listed for sale is over-priced either by the seller or the agent and it is simply cluttering the market. No matter how long they stay on the market, they will not sell.

It is almost impossible to underprice a home. When a good value presents itself, multiple offers still occur. One example was a home that was originally listed at $556k, the bank listed it for $349k and received 22 offers in 7 days. It sold for $50k over the asking price.


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I don't know exactly how much the value of my home has dropped from the peak but I'm guess that so far it has dropped around 22%. But I don't feel like that I have lost anything. My home is not on the market. I never really felt that I had that money that it was probably worth at the peak. I do hope that it does eventually go back up above what it is worth now....so that I have more money fore retirement...but right now...it does not matter. I have to live somewhere. And I live close to my Mom that lives alone. I live in a beautiful home with wonderful neighbors. The only thing that I do hope is that the new people that will be moving in these homes will be friendly good neighbors.
 
A lot of people seem to forget that financially something is worth only as much as somebody else is willing to pay for it. It doesn't matter how much you paid for it, how much debt you owe on it or how special you think it is. In the end, the market for that item is determined by supply (what people want to sell) and demand (what people want to buy). If something has some demand and is a good deal, it will sell quickly.

A lot of sellers are finding this out the hard way by holding steady to their high price because they're convinced their house is worth more than the market dictates. The sad part is that they'll probably have to drop the price eventually anyways, but not after plenty of waiting, handwringing and possibly further drops in market value.

In your last paragraph though, you touch on a really key point--a home is a place to live. It's not a panacea or magic money machine. Secondarily, it's an investment although historically not a particularly lucrative one (over the past 400 years or so of modern economy, stocks performed considerably better than real estate). Mainly, its value is providing a roof over your head and a place to call your own. In the past few years, a lot of people have forgotten about that and got caught up in how rich (on paper) they were becoming.
 
House OKs $15B to buy and fix up foreclosed properties....but it is going to be vetoed.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080508/ap_on_go_co/congress_housing


The measure is separate from a broader housing package to provide $300 billion in refinanced mortgages for struggling homeowners.

President Bush has threatened to veto both measures. He says Democrats' housing proposals reward lenders and speculators instead of helping homeowners.

What kind of solutions is Bush looking for? If it helps homeowners, it is going to help the speculators as well. How can you separate them?


Esh....I'm hoping that mortgage interest rates come down. They seem to have been going up or staying the same rather than decreasing. I wonder how realistic it is to hope that they come down a bit this year?
 
Bush is an Idiot. He is so out of touch with the reality of the US Economy,It's not funny.
Unfortunately, No Plan is without flaws and some seculators will fall though the cracks and benefit.
Bush just does not get what doing for the Greater Good is all about.
These 2 Bills would save many low and middle Income Families and Individuals from losing their homes,and would stabilize the Banking Industry.
Unfortunately Wall Street would Benefit also.
 
Personally, I'm glad Bush is going to veto this legislation and I rarely agree with anything he does. Giving local governments grants to buy foreclosed properties and fix them up just pushes the burden of the foreclosures from the banks to the government. It's a partial government bailout of the banks. It will keep prices high for those who want to buy their first home, thereby reducing home ownership rates.

Moreover, it will just delay the necessary correction to the housing bubble. Sure, it'll keep prices from dropping as fast by reducing demand for homes in the short term. However, those homes will have to be put on the market to be sold again at some point, driving up the supply again at a later time. In the mean time, who's going to pay the property taxes on these government-owned empty homes?
 
In the mean time, who's going to pay the property taxes on these government-owned empty homes?

NOBODY!Beause the gov't does not pay property taxes. Plus,No one is pay the property taxes now,either. So,no matter how you slice it,you and Bush are wwrong. A colapse of the banks,Investment Houses and Tax bases will happen ,If no action is taken. It will be abigger mess to clean up later and cost alot more also.
 
So now I'm hearing that banks are looking for any reason possible to not approve a loan. There is a cond property in Pasadena that was original purchased by some realtors because they thought it would make a good investment for $1.3 million. They put it up for sale recently and found a buyer for $800k. The buyers were going to put $200k down, have annual incomes of over $250k/year and had an additional $200k in savings. The bank turned them down because there have been around 7 foreclosures in the building which has left the cash flow in the development too low.



Las Vegas Gated Community - 75 % empty
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/08/gutierrez.gated.ghost.town.cnn


Foreclosure Tour In Orange County:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/home-bus-foreclosure-2039764-tour-san

Storage businesses doing well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/business/11storage.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

but some people are actually trying to live in them.


It looks like England & Wales is going to have a lot of foreclosures as well:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/property_and_mortgages/article3905216.ece


I wonder if there are any other countries that have been affected by increases of foreclosures?
 
Banks are freaked out because they're being squeezed on one side by the credit crisis (few are lending the banks money to loan out for mortgages) and on the other by an uptick in foreclosures (brought on by a slowing economy with dropping house prices and rising unemployment).

Banks used to primarily get money to lend for mortgages from the deposits of customers and from direct investment in the bank (i.e., buying stocks or bonds generally issued against the bank). In the past few years that has changed substantially. Now (or at least for the past few years), banks use a limited amount of their own money to make mortgages, then bundle them into bonds that are sold to investors (mainly institutional investors like retirement funds or to wealthy people like Saudi royalty). After they're sold, they once again have more money to loan out. The risk for these mortgage bonds that they sell is held by the investors whereas in the past the risk was held by the bank itself. The banks just collect the mortgage payments and forward on the profits to the bond holders. For this service, the banks receive fees from the investors which are steady profits for them. If the bonds fail because homeowners don't pay their mortgages, the banks don't directly incur the losses but rather the investors. Instead of the banks making money on the repayment of the loans, they now make money on packaging the loans and selling them to investors. How risky these bonds are (i.e., how likely the homeowners are to pay back their loans on time and in full) is determined by ratings agencies. In turns out that the ratings agencies didn't adequately rate how risky these bonds were. In fact, it now appears there was some corruption involved in banks and ratings agencies performing sleight of hand to make risky investments look safe. When a bond turns out to be more risky than originally thought, its price drops because it's less likely to be paid back in full due to losses. When prices drop unexpectedly like this, investors are unhappy (they just lost money!) and get nervous, which means they're less likely to purchase similar investments in the future. When investors aren't buying, banks can't sell which means there's not much money available for making new loans.

When banks have a limited amount of money to lend out, they'll of course lend it to the most profitable clients wanting a loan (i.e., higher interest rates for least amount of risk) and pass on those less attractive lending scenarios. The banks must be convinced those condos are just not the best use of their money right now.
 
So now I'm hearing that banks are looking for any reason possible to not approve a loan. There is a cond property in Pasadena that was original purchased by some realtors because they thought it would make a good investment for $1.3 million. They put it up for sale recently and found a buyer for $800k. The buyers were going to put $200k down, have annual incomes of over $250k/year and had an additional $200k in savings. The bank turned them down because there have been around 7 foreclosures in the building which has left the cash flow in the development too low.



Las Vegas Gated Community - 75 % empty
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/08/gutierrez.gated.ghost.town.cnn


Foreclosure Tour In Orange County:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/home-bus-foreclosure-2039764-tour-san

Storage businesses doing well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/business/11storage.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

but some people are actually trying to live in them.


It looks like England & Wales is going to have a lot of foreclosures as well:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/property_and_mortgages/article3905216.ece


I wonder if there are any other countries that have been affected by increases of foreclosures?

The US and The Uk are much closer to being alike. Since both have/and are suffering from Reaganism/Thatcherism. Aka: A total break down and removal of safe guards in a haste to Deregulation/or partial deregulation of their Industries.(including Banking)#-o

Countries like Germany and others are not suffering as badly as the US and Britian,due to the fact that many Post-Depression/Post WWII/Cold War safe guards where/or have been left in place to protect both the consumer and the Industry from Abuse/Themselves.:=D:

Tell ME about it I live in a fairly nice area. The property Values 3 years ago of ,89,900 to 123,900.
Now, The value of these homes are 20,000 to 35,000.
Over half are empty or have been converted to Section 8 rentals and
the Crime rate has Gone up 98%.
We had the first drive-by shooting on my Street Ever a Week-ago.:eek:
Gangs have moved into the area,along with prostitutes,and Drug Dealers.
Many of us would sell and move,however,We have Mortages that are greater than the current market values. :mad:

This Area has been RAPED BY SUB-PRIME LENDERS AND THE BUSH ECONOMIC PLAN(AKA:NO PLAN),NAFTA and Favorite Nation Trading Status Granted to China,India,Bangladesh,and Pakistan. Plus The BUSH Admin. will not Enforce what little Safe Guards that are in the Trade Agreements.:grrr:
 
There is a home in the development of over 300 homes that I live in that I know is bank owned. However, the bank is doing nothing with the home. It is not for sale. They have done nothing other than have the owners (which own another home anyways) move out. It is basically in limbo. I was told by a neighbor that some banks are doing that so that they don't have to actualize the loss on their books. Eshhhh.....that is not a good sign.
 
To do nothing,will only make the clean up cost more. As more Sub-Prime Rates are scheduled to reset in the near future. It will only get worst.
 
There was an article in the Washington Post this past week saying it is spilling over to more expensive homes now!
 
There was an article in the Washington Post this past week saying it is spilling over to more expensive homes now!


Yes, one of my neighbors told me several months ago that she has a friend that lives in Newport Coast (where most homes are over $4 million) and her friend told her that he has noticed that many of his neighbors were having trouble as well.

However, I have also been told that homes over $5 million (on the West side of Los Angeles) are still selling well. West side: Beverly Hills, Bel Aire, Pacific Palisades, Santa Monica, Brentwood, Westwood, Malibu, etc.

So it is mixed right now.

My friends that have rentals on the West side have told me that they have been losing many of their tenants. One of their tenants filed bankruptcy and he was originally worth several million dollars. He had something to do with finding Cheryl Crow.
 
To do nothing,will only make the clean up cost more. As more Sub-Prime Rates are scheduled to reset in the near future. It will only get worst.

It's really hard to say if that's true or not. A bailout helping lenders keeps banks from failing while a bailout for homeowners keeps foreclosures down, which we can all agree are good things in and of themselves. However, a bailout is not free. Taxpayers have to foot the bill for that. Spending money on a housing bailout means less money that can be spent on other things. In a bailout, the government chooses to devote finite resources to a specific group of people, thereby limiting resources for others.

Moreover, there are many lenders and borrowers who were responsible--those who did not make or take out risky loans. A bailout rewards people who (in most cases knowingly) made poor decisions in assuming too much risk, while punishing those who did make sound decisions. For example, say somebody takes out a subprime loan they can't afford. As part of the bailout, they get their mortgage reduced to 85% of the value of the house. This allows them to now make their payments and stay in their house, which is a good thing. But what about the family next door who decided to cut back on expenses in order to pay their existing payment? What about the renter next door who decided it was better to live within their means rather than buying a house they couldn't afford? Where's their handout?

Conceivably, in the long term borrowers and lenders will behave in a riskier manner if they know the government will just step in and bail them out. In economics, this is known as a moral hazard. Sometimes you have to let banks or borrowers fail in order to restore balance to the system. Where to draw that line is difficult to determine. You want there to be enough pain that people will think twice about making the same bad choices in the future, but not enough that it destroys confidence in the financial system as a whole.

In the end though, there's only so much bailouts can really do. The government and the Federal Reserve cannot control the economy. They can only try to push it in certain directions.
 
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