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So I recently found out that a very good friend of mine is "cheating" on his girlfriend. I wouldn't say he is my "best friend" but he is up there. Lately he has been acting very strange, always in a bad mood, always talking about not getting any sex because his girlfriend is pregnant and due in October. He wouldn't really talk about why he is always in a bad mood so being the guy i am I logged into his email (Yes I am a terrible person for doing this I know. I expect no less than 4 posts saying i shouldn't do that) and whilst reading some more recent email's i found that he has been hooking up with random girls from craigslist!

Now his girlfriend is a very good friend of mine (I actually hooked them up) and i don't think its fair to her especially since she is preggers with his kid. She is 26 and he is 21 so i can understand how he would want to be having sex but I feel its his fault he knocked her up (didnt ever wear a condom even though she is allergic to birth control) Should i just do what i have been doing and keep my mouth shut or find a way to say something so it doesn't get traced back to me? :confused:
 
The practical problem with invading someone’s privacy for evidence is that you can’t ever use it.

So you tell your friend that her boyfriend is cheating, how did you know? Because you hacked his email – and when it comes out, the argument gets to be about what an ass you are. Which is exactly what he’s going to make this about.

So, you lose a friend, she loses a boyfriend (no great loss there,) and life goes on.

Don’t put yourself in the middle of someone else’s relationship, it’s not your place, you don’t belong there, it's none of your business – even if you did set them up, even if she is your friend. Definitely don’t put yourself in the position of spy for one party against the other, which is also exactly what he’s going to think. That you and her cooked this up together. Then, since you’ve given him a legitimate grievance, he gets to think that his actions are justified.

She gets to be the jealous bitch, and you get to be her spying butt boy, and he gets to feel justified in looking elsewhere.

Unfortunately there is a child, she’s stuck with him in some capacity, but unless she’s completely clueless, she’s got to know there’s something wrong in her relationship. You can be a friend and encourage her to think about her situation, and what’s going to give her the most happiness and stability, without being the dramatic tattling snoop.

Definitely without putting you and her in the wrong on one thing, when the real point is something altogether more serious.
 
BTW, she's just as much at fault for the pregnancy as he is, it took both of them to create it.
 
This falls under::::>>
MIND YOUR OWN BUSSINESS[-X

stay out of it as it will only lead to disaster. Everyone will lose.

Nothing worse than a tattle taler and one who snoops in other peoples in there mail,phone, computor
 
What are the chances they'd be together if she weren't pregnant? My guess is that she'll be raising this child alone. Next time he complains about getting no sex get him to chat a bit as to how he's handling it. If he admits anything tell him to tell her. They are going to have to work this out for themselves.
 
You don't have a dog in this fight. Stay out of it. If they want your help, they will ask.

And yes, bad boy for breaking into your friend's email account. That is call invasion of privacy.
 
It's not your place to get involved, since neither of them are cheating with you.

You set them up, and now it's up to them to work out their relationship together, WITHOUT your meddling.
 
UM, I can't believe that you're even asking advice on how to act on this piece of information that you found by - of all things - invading someone's privacy!

It's equally damaging what you did as it is what he is doing behind his girlfriend's back.

Stay out of it.

I know that I'm being judgmental, but it would never even DAWN on me to log into someone's email. Whatever happens between the both of them is none of your business.
 
one thing that's great about cheating is, it 9 times out of 10 is discovered. Rather than let yourself get hated, I think you need to let it just happen...she'll find out, especially if she's a smart girl.
 
If she were your friend, the boyfriend was not your friend and you found this out by accident, you should tell her.

However they are both your friends and you obtained this information in a very sneaky manner.

He will get caught. It will all blow up. You'll eventually have to take sides.

In the meantime, stay out of the mess and keep your mouth shut about what you know.
 
This falls under::::>>
MIND YOUR OWN BUSSINESS[-X

stay out of it as it will only lead to disaster. Everyone will lose.

Nothing worse than a tattle taler and one who snoops in other peoples in there mail,phone, computor

What if he hooks up, gets HIV, and gives it to her and the kid?
 
I just don't see how invading someone's privacy equates to sleeping with random women on craigslist. Seriously, nobody has a leg to stand on to complain about snooping. I'm a big believer in results-based outcomes. Or, if you will, you have to break an egg to make an omelette. Or, if you prefer, the ends justify the means.

I can't think of a reason why a pregnant woman should not be entitled to know this as soon as possible. And the only reason for not telling her why you know what you know is to save face.

You don't have to be proud of snooping. But none of that matters. It's like taking someone to the hospital because they're having a massive heart attack, and everyone's getting all worried about the hangnail you bumped and made bleed when you were loading them into the ambulance.

But I don't get why you are still calling this guy a very good friend. You had two friends. You wanted them both to be happy together. And one of them is shitting on the other one. Why should he get anything but contempt?

And what you didn't find is an e-mail from the boyfriend to his girlfriend saying "Hey, you know how we talked about having an open relationship? Well I've found a woman I'd like to try that with.. Are you still cool with that?"

I don't know how or when to break this news, but you are under absolutely no obligation to keep this a secret, and you are probably under an obligation to make sure she knows the truth. Some people might say "but she might rather not know." Well, people can try to live in a fantasy bubble if they want, but they are not entitled to it. And you are certainly not required to pretend something never happened just because some people somewhere on the internet don't like the truth and don't want anyone else to have to hear it either.
 
I just don't see how invading someone's privacy equates to sleeping with random women on craigslist. Seriously, nobody has a leg to stand on to complain about snooping. I'm a big believer in results-based outcomes. Or, if you will, you have to break an egg to make an omelette. Or, if you prefer, the ends justify the means.

I can't think of a reason why a pregnant woman should not be entitled to know this as soon as possible. And the only reason for not telling her why you know what you know is to save face.

You don't have to be proud of snooping. But none of that matters. It's like taking someone to the hospital because they're having a massive heart attack, and everyone's getting all worried about the hangnail you bumped and made bleed when you were loading them into the ambulance.

But I don't get why you are still calling this guy a very good friend. You had two friends. You wanted them both to be happy together. And one of them is shitting on the other one. Why should he get anything but contempt?

And what you didn't find is an e-mail from the boyfriend to his girlfriend saying "Hey, you know how we talked about having an open relationship? Well I've found a woman I'd like to try that with.. Are you still cool with that?"

I don't know how or when to break this news, but you are under absolutely no obligation to keep this a secret, and you are probably under an obligation to make sure she knows the truth. Some people might say "but she might rather not know." Well, people can try to live in a fantasy bubble if they want, but they are not entitled to it. And you are certainly not required to pretend something never happened just because some people somewhere on the internet don't like the truth and don't want anyone else to have to hear it either.


This is what im saying... doesnt she have a right to know? I mean for god sakes she has his kid on the way! What if i just log into his email on their computer and leave it open for her to see? I dunno... i really, REALLY, dont want to get involved but i feel that she should know because i dont think its fair to her. I think for now im just going to observe and see what happens.
 
This is what im saying... doesnt she have a right to know? I mean for god sakes she has his kid on the way! What if i just log into his email on their computer and leave it open for her to see? I dunno... i really, REALLY, dont want to get involved but i feel that she should know because i dont think its fair to her. I think for now im just going to observe and see what happens.

Let's play this out:
  • Scenario 1: She doesn't know. You tell her. She kicks him out. Now she has a baby to raise on her own and the baby may never know his father.
  • Scenario 2: She knows. Everyone finds out that you're snooping and breaking into everyone's email.
  • Scenario 3: She doesn't know. You tell her. She chooses him over her snooping, interfering friend.

You're playing this in the hopes that you win- you get rid of the cheating guy. Unfortunately, there are a lot of other people who stand to lose- friends, fathers, children. And you can't know what being a father will do for this guy- he may clean up his act and become a standup guy.

That's why everyone is telling you to back off and let the cards fall where they may.
 
Let's play this out:
  • Scenario 1: She doesn't know. You tell her. She kicks him out. Now she has a baby to raise on her own and the baby may never know his father.
  • Scenario 2: She knows. Everyone finds out that you're snooping and breaking into everyone's email.
  • Scenario 3: She doesn't know. You tell her. She chooses him over her snooping, interfering friend.

You're playing this in the hopes that you win- you get rid of the cheating guy. Unfortunately, there are a lot of other people who stand to lose- friends, fathers, children. And you can't know what being a father will do for this guy- he may clean up his act and become a standup guy.

That's why everyone is telling you to back off and let the cards fall where they may.

...except everyone isn't telling you to back off. We forgot about:

  • Scenario 4: She doesn't know. You say nothing. She still doesn't know. Her baby is raised by her and this cheating shitsack for 4 or 5 years of ever-increasing tension and misery because he's getting away with it now and it only eggs him on to try craigslist again and again. Finally after 5 years of being told she's paranoid and that her suspicions are a result of her own twisted jealousy, she catches him in the act. They break up, and she's free of this bag of douche at last. You cross paths in a park, since after about a year and a half of keeping secrets on behalf of this loser finally became too awkward for you to hang out together, with your friend, like you used to. She tells you her news, still raw from a bad break-up and 5 miserable years. You look relieved and she questions the look on your face. You say, "I always knew he was up to something, this is probably for the best. I'm happy you're free." and she says "What do you mean you always knew?" looking defeated and confused by life, crushed really, and then you say "Oh let's just say I knew he was doing this to you five years ago. Glad you figured it out!"
  • Scenario 5: She doesn't know. She doesn't want to know. You tell her. She's disappointed. She flies off the handle and starts screaming at you "How dare you? You're ruining my relationship." You exit both their lives. You leave them to their co-dependent drama, and your life is soooo much better off without them you wonder why you didn't say something sooner. Poor kid though - both of his parents are assholes.

This is a nasty situation to get caught up in. But pretending it didn't happen or helping other people pretend it's not happening does not make it any less nasty.
 
It is still think that this is none of your business; it's all wrong. Cheating is wrong. Snooping is wrong.

However, this has nothing to do with the morality of it all, because the point of all this is - you're intentionally changing the dynamics of people's lives, as a result of your intentional actions - when in fact you should concentrate on your own. Does your friendship with *both* of them matter to you? If it does, re-think it.

There *are* many instances in which the anger comes back to the messenger (YOU), because not in all cases do the victims *really* want to know until they are ready to take this information. Do you really think that this is the right time to be telling an expectant mother that the father of the child is cheating? Also, you read his emails and may have taken this whole thing out of context.

In terms of spilling the beans, there is no right or wrong here - this is a judgement call. You are, in essence, placing the control in your hands when it shouldn't be (i.e. playing God), and suffering the consequences.

I humbly stick to my opinion here.
 
Ok there are a couple of things in your scenario that don’t quite scan upfront. You’re friends with this guy and his girlfriend who’s pregnant.

The guy is moody and uncommunicative and won’t talk so you immediately assume the answer is in his email? Which you proceed to hack.

Either you did a much more comprehensive search of his personal shit and came upon this, or you suspected already what was going on and went to the source. I find it highly unlikely that one just assumes that when a friend is in a bad mood complaining about lack of sex, the logical answer lies in his email.

So, I don’t think your situation is as upfront as it appears. Which begs the question of why you felt the need to go behind his back, for what? What were you hoping to find in his email that was going to help him out of a bad mood and lack of sex?

You were looking for evidence. Why? You certainly couldn’t go back to him and say that you know what’s bothering him, and offer to help, because you hacked his email.

These are your choices, not theirs. No matter how close you think you are to these two, there are parts of their relationship you know nothing about and never will. No one tells an outsider everything about their relationships.

In a situation where you are friends with both of the parties in a relationship the only course that works is neutrality. Don’t be the confidante of either. It’s why I insist that my partner has his friends and I have mine, and why I don’t become good friends with his friends. That way we both have people to talk to who don’t have divided loyalties.

Our mutual friends are just that, and we don’t discuss personal shit with them.

So back to you. Does she have a right to know? Sure. He has a responsibility to tell her. He’s not going to probably, though that isn’t outside the realm of possibility.

But what you don’t have the right to do is create a crisis in an already stressful situation. It’s not your relationship. You don’t know what she knows, what she suspects. Maybe she wants to get through this pregnancy before she does anything. Maybe she’s hoping he’ll change. You don’t have the right to assume control over her options, or indeed his. You put yourself in this dilemma. You went looking for information, in an underhanded way. That’s premeditation, you didn’t run into the boyfriend out in public, you went looking.

What exactly is your motivation for confronting her with this? Is that being a friend? Maybe you should keep it to yourself, say nothing to either, and support her through what’s obviously a stressful situation. Don’t add to the drama.

It’s got to be a huge amount of pressure on him as well. He’s really young, he’s most likely extremely unprepared. Can he support a family? Is he mature enough to be a stable influence? What are his motivations for cheating? You don’t know, you don’t have the answers for any of this, you don’t know what goes on privately between them. You don’t know how much the pressures if impending parenthood are influencing their behavior, you don’t know how a child will change them.

You don’t have the information necessary to say whether your actions will do harm or good. You don’t have the right to make that kind of gamble with their lives.

So keep quiet. You can be a friend and a help without ever saying anything about this – just like the friend you would have been had you known nothing. Which is what I would do, forget you know anything, and do your best to help out.

Finally, you wouldn’t be carrying around this secret if you hadn’t betrayed a trust first. That’s yours to carry, your choice, your consequence – and if he walks, or she tosses him, that’s their choices and their consequences, and you aren’t involved in the ensuing carnage.
 
I've decided to drop it. pretend it never happened. There are too many maybes, possibly's, and could haves, to the why behind whats going on. I've already seen what i shouldn't have and am not going to do anything with it, what comes around goes around.

However i did find a really hot picture of him in his underwear that he sent to one of the girls in his email that i want to keep for myself... lol. hopefully thats not wrong of me *|*
 
Good grief. Of course it's wrong.

There is no friend of mine whose friendship would withstand such poor conduct whether it be cheating, living in a bubble of self-delusion, or perving over stolen pix.

Sigh.
 
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