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Friend is suicidal over being gay...what to do?

Re: Friend is suicidal over being gay...what to do

We have to liberate people from other cultures, just as we liberate ourselves when we learn something from someone of a different background.

Hate can never be allowed to cloak itself in the defence of "culture." Your friend needs to understand that while you may not be Indian, he doesn't have to be either. He's free to let go of the hate within his family, and if they don't want to let it go with him, he needs to let them go.

You have given him the right advice already, and any time someone says "You just don't understand.." it usually means it is they who don't want to understand.

His brother is a nut job, and he should cut off contact, because his life is more important than the unity of his family.
 
Re: Friend is suicidal over being gay...what to do

This is a tough situation the best thing to do I believe is just to listen to your friend be there for him. He needs your support. I also think suggest to your friend to seek counselling or talk to a trained professional that deals with LGBT coming out issues. Maybe there is a gay community centre in your community where he can find support?
 
Re: Friend is suicidal over being gay...what to do

In South Asian culture the family is EVERYTHING. The individual's happiness is SECOND to the family's social status. The family of this Indian man may be fearful that the rest of the community may find out and they will be SHAMED.

I know it sounds different for Western people but to suggest this gay Indian man should give up his family and just desert them does not make sense. It is obvious this gay Indian man loves his family dearly. This is a tough situation.

Cult-like thinking. No matter what the group does, they have to be loved. Nope.

I agree I think some people here are being very insensitive. Some people are thinking from a Euro American western perspective.

Right. We don't care about families, at all. No, there's a point where you just have to say that you're not going to put up with abuse.
 
Re: Friend is suicidal over being gay...what to do

He needs to face the facts... if a family is really willing to disown you over something such as this... then they don't really love him. Same as my biological dad who I never will speak with. He never did anything for me so why talk to him now. Every time I do i get upset. Maybe he can try to educate them and tell them that their beliefs are a cultural matter. If a family believed it was wrong AND loved their child... disowning them is NOT in any way LOVE. They would keep him around and just pray for him or whatever they do. I take it they are members of the Hindu religion? They are generally nice people so I guess these hindus are just ignorant based on how they were raised. He can let him family not talk to him.. and eventually they might come around when they realize what they've left behind. But never should you lie about who you are.. and the way God made you.
 
Re: Friend is suicidal over being gay...what to do

He is not the first gay Indian. He probably needs to seek out Indian support. Non-westerners, don't be so hard on young gay westerners. They are benefiting from a rather rapid change of attitute in the west. Most all acceptance is post 1969 (Stonewall Riots). The rest of the world will catch up. And we all still have a long way to go. Meanwhile, this Indian man needs to know he is not alone.
 
I am re-opening this thread in lieu of a conversation I had just moments ago with my Indian friend who inspired this thread.

Firstly, I want to thank everyone for their responses to my original post. I read through them all several months ago even though I did not respond. It was interesting to hear the different takes on the scenario, although the general consensus seems to be that it's just a tragic "no win" situation regardless and I can only do so much.

As an update, over the past few months, my friend has been seeing a therapist. This therapist is one who is a believer and member of the ex-gay movement, who believes that one can cure homosexuality. My friend did not believe his homosexuality could be cured, but was simply seeing the doctor to appease his parents. Both he and I had a great deal of skepticism, and while in general I find the ex-gay movement laughable, the fact of the matter is that my friend needed professional help and I wasn't going to damn this man just yet and thought something was better than nothing. Surprisingly, the therapist has done some good just in giving him an outlet outside of me to talk about things, and the therapist has actually made some very interesting points. While he is a believer in the idea of curing homosexuality, he has in the past few months not dwelled on that aspect of the treatment, and the remarks that he has made (i.e. homosexuality is the result of childhood trauma, etc.) have just been brushed off by my friend and he just takes what he wants to take from the sessions. Instead, he has been focusing more on general sexual addiction, which I believe my friend has, and he has been trying to curb him slowly of that. They have just progressed (?) to "elastic therapy" where a rubber band is attached to his wrist and he is to snap it at any erotic thought that comes into his brain. Anyways, basically my friend has been going to this guy once or twice a week for the past three months on his own dime, spending $2,000 thus far out of pocket for these services that he doesn't even believe in just to appease his parents.

His parents over in India have been constantly hounding him about his progress with the therapist, wanting to know if his feelings for men have vanished yet. They say "hurry up, so that you can get married". My friend tells them it is going very slowly. He didn't want to give them any false hope, especially as the therapist really is just a measure to buy some more time. He speaks with his parents three or four times a day, so it really is just a neverending nagging that never ceases.

I had not heard from him in quite awhile. We usually chat 2-3 times a week on Yahoo Messenger for long night convos, but he ha been going to bed earlier and we just didn't seem to be on at the same time, so we had just been trading pleasantries via offline messages for the past month or so, when I randomly caught him online a few days ago. We chatted for around 30 minutes (short for us) and at that point, he told me things were pretty much the same. Flash forward to today. I'm at work and I get a text from him. He never texts me, having only done so maybe twice before in the two years I've known him. In the text, he tells me that he just spoke with his father, and his father told him (over the phone while he was at work!) that he was disowning him. My friend's text then made a vague mention to death, but in an almost joking manner. I don't joke about that stuff. I responded back to make sure he was okay and he told me that he was "surprisingly fine". I told him that I couldn't talk much more at work but that we needed to talk tonight.

I log online tonight and we have a very long conversation that turned progressively more glum. His father had sent him a follow-up email basically re-stating all that he said over the phone, even going so far as to say that the only thing he asks of my friend, is for when he (the father) dies, to make sure his body is donated to a local hospital for medical research. So basically, he was stating that he will never see him again. My friend, whom earlier in the day seemed fine, was so upset and livid. He drafted a long somewhat nasty email to send to his father, basically blaming his absent father for his being gay. He does not believe this to be so (he believes it is genetics) but said these things out of anger only to hurt his father. He had tried to logically explain homosexuality to his parents multiple times, from a genetic and scienitific standpoint, only to be met with "that is the work of devil" and things of the like. So in saying this to his father, my friend was thinking
"if they are not ready to accept the genetic thoery then let them face this theory of an overbearing mother and a distant father" in causing his homosexuality. He was going to send it but then held off. I told him to sleep on it, to not do anything while so angry and emotional. He said he was worried of the reaction of his father, that he may actually kill himself. As such, I told him not to send it. So where it stands now, the father has disowned him. He has yet to hear from his mother regarding the father's decision, but she will likely do so soon enough regardless even though she is much closer with her son than the father was.

My friend started speaking more of suicide. He started asking me questions like "if you kill yourself, does anyone receive your life insurance?" and sent me a wikipedia link to "methods of suicide". Sometimes, he jokes about suicide in a twisted manner and I was quick to tell him tonight that this is not funny and not something you joke about. He responds that he would not do anything "now....not tonight....but I'm just keeping my options open". On the one hand, by the frequency with which he talks of it, it seems almost as if the suicide references are just a cry for attention, but on the other hand, given the despondency over his situation, I really do think the thoughts may be entering his mind. I told him how upset he was making me, and begged for him to call a suicide hotline. He said he never would, because they would call 911, trace his cell and send someone to his place and he wouldn't want to be saved. He then tells me not to worry, that if he would ever "do something", he would text me beforehand to thank me for everything and apologize, and mentioned that he's so glad that I responded earlier today because he doesn't know what he'd do. I of course tried to the best of my non-suicide-prevention-specialist ability to listen and counter his arguments and encourage him, but I'm just......at a loss at this point.

I don't know what to do anymore. I feel like I'm all he has. While in the US, he is in an Indian social bubble of sorts where all of his friends, roommates and the co-workers he socializes with, etc. are Indian, and much like his parents (and no offense to Indians), not very accepting of homosexuality, so he remains closeted. Living in this little bubble has resulted in him being very lonely with seemingly no one but me, who lives five hours away, to confide in. I feel like keeping him sane and alive is resting on my shoulders and I just don't know how to do it. I put him in touch with a support network for South Asian Gays and Lesbians in the DC area but he wouldn't go to their meetings. He won't call suicide hotlines. And he's not outing himself to any more people due to the reaction he got from his parents. Now I'm sitting here paranoid thinking that this man's life could rest on my shoulders, dependent upon my answering a text at that very second AND saying just the right things. I don't always have my phone on., and, well, I have a life too that I have to attend to, with my own stresses and drama as selfish as that sounds What if I miss a text? He recently moved and I don't even know his new address if god forbid something were to happen and I had to call an ambulance to his place.

Basically, I'm just really worried about what to do. I think he'll be fine in the end being disowned by his dad since they were never that close to begin with. It's the mother that I'm really worried about and I fear that will come any day now. I feel like over time, he would learn to get on just fine, but it's just that I don't know if he has the strength to make it over that initial hump and I wish there was more that I could do.
 
Please don't agree with him that he is seeing a therapist. He is seeing a quack and let him know that. The hardest person one has to come out to is oneself.

I thought when it became too much for me I would take "the cure." Fortunately, I went to someone who laughed out loud when I told him why I was there. I then asked him what was I supposed to do and he replied, "accept yourself." I cried all the way home, but he helped me break my denial.

The quack your friend is seeing will only have the impact of prolonging your friend's misery.

Take a risk and print out the entire two threads and present it to him.
 
Please don't agree with him that he is seeing a therapist. He is seeing a quack and let him know that. The hardest person one has to come out to is oneself.

I thought when it became too much for me I would take "the cure." Fortunately, I went to someone who laughed out loud when I told him why I was there. I then asked him what was I supposed to do and he replied, "accept yourself." I cried all the way home, but he helped me break my denial.

The quack your friend is seeing will only have the impact of prolonging your friend's misery.

Take a risk and print out the entire two threads and present it to him.
I don't agree with the views of the therapist in particular, but I do feel that in some ways, it has done some good. As I said, he doesn't believe that you can cure homosexuality, so when that aspect enters into the sessions, my friend just tunes it out.

It's true that while he should be seeing a professional, he shouldn't be seeing this therapist in particular, but honestly, that's low on my list of concerns right now. Right now, I'm just trying to keep him alive. Then I'll try to get him to change therapists.

My friend has read this thread and didn't really have a reaction towards it. As I said, I've pleaded with him to get help and he hasn't and have put him in contact with South Asian gay organizations and he hasn't reached out. I can't force him to do anything, and can do even less being in another city.
 
^ Eventually, everyone experiencing their own existential crisis has to take responsibility.

Frankly, it must be gratifying for him to know that you are so heavily invested in 'keeping him alive'. Just make sure that it isn't a pathologically co-dependent relationship.

By refusing to get help, but relying only on you, your friend has created a kind of passive aggressive and unhealthy relationship. He has you trapped.
 
I think it's good that you are supporting your friend. Are you in love with your friend? However, I don't think a therapist form the ex gay movement is the way to go. Is it possible you can suggest your friend speak to a mental health professional at a hospital? It sounds like to me that your friend is experiencing suicidal ideation? It seems like he really needs help ASAP. Do you know any gay Indian men in your area? Maybe what your friend really needs is support from other gay Indians in his culture? Perhaps if he saw how other gay Indians live he would feel better about himself? I am just kind of questioning why would your friend go see an ex gay movement therapist? Is this really helpful? Wouldn't it be better if your friend saw a gay positive therapist?
 
MorrisseyX said:
I think it's good that you are supporting your friend. Are you in love with your friend? However, I don't think a therapist form the ex gay movement is the way to go. Is it possible you can suggest your friend speak to a mental health professional at a hospital? It sounds like to me that your friend is experiencing suicidal ideation? It seems like he really needs help ASAP. Do you know any gay Indian men in your area? Maybe what your friend really needs is support from other gay Indians in his culture? Perhaps if he saw how other gay Indians live he would feel better about himself? I am just kind of questioning why would your friend go see an ex gay movement therapist? Is this really helpful? Wouldn't it be better if your friend saw a gay positive therapist?
I am not in love with my friend. I care about him as a friend a great deal and think he is a terrific person, but there are no romantic allusions to anything. I am currently in a year-long relationship with another man. He has referred to me many times as his best friend. To me, I consider him a friend, but certainly not a best friend, but perhaps that is testament to just his not knowing or being close to many people here.

As far as the therapist, he did not go to him or seek him out on his own volition. His parents "forced" him to go. Hi sparents are convinced that homosexuality is a curable disease, and while he doesn't believe the same, to appease his parents, he agreed to give it a try. As far as his seeing another professional, he has not responded welll to the idea in the past when I have recommended it. Understand that his parents seem to have some bargaining chips over him and can demand such things of him, whereas I do not. I have also tried to put him in touch with a gay Indian support group, but again the excuses came where he said he was tired, or the meeting were far away or at bad times, and he just never goes. I'm kind of at my wits end as I feel like he may be slipping away and everything I do to try to help him, is rebuffed.

^ Eventually, everyone experiencing their own existential crisis has to take responsibility.

Frankly, it must be gratifying for him to know that you are so heavily invested in 'keeping him alive'. Just make sure that it isn't a pathologically co-dependent relationship.

By refusing to get help, but relying only on you, your friend has created a kind of passive aggressive and unhealthy relationship. He has you trapped.
This is an interesting take. I wonder at times how much he is truly relying on me and how much I'm putting that on myself. Whatever the case may be, it does seem patently unfair to me as far as the situation it puts me in. Of course, then I don't want to complain about things either as I'm afraid that may push him further to the edge. Like I said though, I have my own issues and my own stresses, that I don't know how much longer I can deal with the toilng over him.
 
At the end of the day there is only so much you can do. It is interesting though that your friend is afraid to go to the gay Indian group and yet that's probably where he can get the real support he really needs. I will say you have to take care of yourself as well. I think you are a good friend but the other poster is correct everyone has to take responsiblity for their own lives. I do wonder if there is stress or strain being placed on you? Your friend is relying on you a lot and maybe that's unhealthy? He has to take charge of the situation if he wants his life to change. Maybe suggest to your friend that this group would be ideal to him. It sounds like you are in a tough position you are a good friend but you also realize that this is affecting your friendship. I think ultimately the decision for change is up to your friend but he's got to realize this group can be really beneficial for him. Maybe suggest to your friend all the postive things he can get "out" of the gay Indian group like making new friends, meeting people from a similar culture, people that "understand" exactly what he is going through those kinds of things. But if your friend continues to say "no" to the group there is only so much you can do. Your friend has to decide for himself his future.
 
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