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From walked all over to well respected and feared. [merged]
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theFallenGod
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Re: I need help bad, i keep crying and don't know what to do.
Alright... After reading this guys threads... I am going to give my humble opinion. And I am sure everyone...with the exception of the OP will agree with me... I am also going to assume this guy is for real and not a troll or sock puppet....
As we have all said before he is in desperate need of a mental health professional. In all honesty he should probably be locked up for a while so he doesn't hurt himself or anyone else. And here is why:
1) Blatant Racism - He said it himself he only dates "white guys" I can understand sexual preferences but the fact that you won't date anyone in your own race reeks of racism ... It also reeks of...
2) Self Loathing - Of course if you hate yourself, which is obvious from his postings, he is not going to find anyone to share a life with or even a friendship with because the only people who like self loathing people are abusers and predators and...
3) Sociopaths - I bring this up because not only is this the type of person he will eventually attract but he is also showing major signs of it himself. His complete disregard for anyone including himself. His overt objectification of people. It is clear that he views everyone around him as "things" to be used and not as people. Also included in his sociopathy is...
4) Idealogue/Demogogue - For some reason he has in his brain that this is how the world should be run. He has a a narrow vision of how things ought to be that any deviation from that narrow vision is seen as horrible and un-natural. As such he sees anyone who disagrees with him as "the enemy" with a you're either with us or you're against us mentality. Which brings us to...
5) Paranoia - Because so many people don't fit into his narrow minded outlook on life he seems to think that everyone is against him and out to make his life miserable or difficult on purpose. Although the main reason behind this appears to be ....
6) Delusions of Grandeur - He seems to think that just because he was born into this world he deserves the highest level of respect without ever giving any in return. When in truth, no one respects him because he hasn't shown he has earned it let alone that he actually deserves it because of the problems listed above. That lack of respect for any other fellow human has also lead to...
7) Reverse Racism - As exampled by the fact that not only does he want a young, virile, attractive white boy to be his slave but he seems to think it's owed to him. This in and of itself is extremely disturbing. Probably the most disturbing.
8 ) Selfishness and Jealousy - Both of these are probably triggered from everything else on this list but to have the nerve to think that he could own someone, That just because he has paid for them for an hour or the whole night that they can not talk to anyone else or be with anyone else (when it's their job essentially) makes him out to be a classic case of an...
9) Abuser - Not only has he shown that he thinks he is better than everyone else and that he somehow deserves the best and can treat other humans as shit. Not only has hhe shown that he wants to keep a tight leash on anyone who would be stupid enough to get that close to him in the first place, BUT he has shown that when given a position of authority he abuses it and uses that position to carry out petty little vendettas and heinous manipulation.
10) Lack of Self Responsibility - It is obvious from everything that he has said that he lacks self-responsibility. Everything that has ever gone wrong in his life is always someone else's fault. Nothing he does is wrong, so he continues to do the same thing over and over, getting the same results because he refuses to acknowledge that most of the bad things are stemming from himself. Of course we all know that doing the same things over and over expecting different results but not getting them is a sure sign of...
11) Insanity.
So in short... We have here a person with multiple personality flaws and issues... Issues that probably none of us on here are qualified to handle. This poor chap (assuming he is for real) needs to be hospitalized immediately. He needs serious treatment and probably a ton of medication. NOW before he ends up hurting himself or someone else.
Alright... After reading this guys threads... I am going to give my humble opinion. And I am sure everyone...with the exception of the OP will agree with me... I am also going to assume this guy is for real and not a troll or sock puppet....
As we have all said before he is in desperate need of a mental health professional. In all honesty he should probably be locked up for a while so he doesn't hurt himself or anyone else. And here is why:
1) Blatant Racism - He said it himself he only dates "white guys" I can understand sexual preferences but the fact that you won't date anyone in your own race reeks of racism ... It also reeks of...
2) Self Loathing - Of course if you hate yourself, which is obvious from his postings, he is not going to find anyone to share a life with or even a friendship with because the only people who like self loathing people are abusers and predators and...
3) Sociopaths - I bring this up because not only is this the type of person he will eventually attract but he is also showing major signs of it himself. His complete disregard for anyone including himself. His overt objectification of people. It is clear that he views everyone around him as "things" to be used and not as people. Also included in his sociopathy is...
4) Idealogue/Demogogue - For some reason he has in his brain that this is how the world should be run. He has a a narrow vision of how things ought to be that any deviation from that narrow vision is seen as horrible and un-natural. As such he sees anyone who disagrees with him as "the enemy" with a you're either with us or you're against us mentality. Which brings us to...
5) Paranoia - Because so many people don't fit into his narrow minded outlook on life he seems to think that everyone is against him and out to make his life miserable or difficult on purpose. Although the main reason behind this appears to be ....
6) Delusions of Grandeur - He seems to think that just because he was born into this world he deserves the highest level of respect without ever giving any in return. When in truth, no one respects him because he hasn't shown he has earned it let alone that he actually deserves it because of the problems listed above. That lack of respect for any other fellow human has also lead to...
7) Reverse Racism - As exampled by the fact that not only does he want a young, virile, attractive white boy to be his slave but he seems to think it's owed to him. This in and of itself is extremely disturbing. Probably the most disturbing.
8 ) Selfishness and Jealousy - Both of these are probably triggered from everything else on this list but to have the nerve to think that he could own someone, That just because he has paid for them for an hour or the whole night that they can not talk to anyone else or be with anyone else (when it's their job essentially) makes him out to be a classic case of an...
9) Abuser - Not only has he shown that he thinks he is better than everyone else and that he somehow deserves the best and can treat other humans as shit. Not only has hhe shown that he wants to keep a tight leash on anyone who would be stupid enough to get that close to him in the first place, BUT he has shown that when given a position of authority he abuses it and uses that position to carry out petty little vendettas and heinous manipulation.
10) Lack of Self Responsibility - It is obvious from everything that he has said that he lacks self-responsibility. Everything that has ever gone wrong in his life is always someone else's fault. Nothing he does is wrong, so he continues to do the same thing over and over, getting the same results because he refuses to acknowledge that most of the bad things are stemming from himself. Of course we all know that doing the same things over and over expecting different results but not getting them is a sure sign of...
11) Insanity.
So in short... We have here a person with multiple personality flaws and issues... Issues that probably none of us on here are qualified to handle. This poor chap (assuming he is for real) needs to be hospitalized immediately. He needs serious treatment and probably a ton of medication. NOW before he ends up hurting himself or someone else.
Re: I need help bad, i keep crying and don't know what to do.
From the writing,
i think the OP is very well educated and quite successful career wise but have big problems emotionally with other people.
Off topic.
Yesterday while driving in the city, i saw a young man shouting/cursing at himself angrily as if no one is watching. Very sad. I don't know what sort of future do these people have?
From the writing,
i think the OP is very well educated and quite successful career wise but have big problems emotionally with other people.
Off topic.
Yesterday while driving in the city, i saw a young man shouting/cursing at himself angrily as if no one is watching. Very sad. I don't know what sort of future do these people have?
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Re: I need help bad, i keep crying and don't know what to do.
If you're half as argumentative and aggressive in real life as you're coming across in these posts I'd definitely recommend some counselling/anger management therapy and a dash of maturity in your evening cocoa.
If you're half as argumentative and aggressive in real life as you're coming across in these posts I'd definitely recommend some counselling/anger management therapy and a dash of maturity in your evening cocoa.
Re: I need help bad, i keep crying and don't know what to do.
OMG he now think`s he is Alexander The Great.
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Re: I need help bad, i keep crying and don't know what to do.
I am 24 years old as of Saturday and yes, I am an African American (American born) male.
I don't know why you''d think otherwise and i don't know why you'd say i'm uneducated.... I got one of the highest sat scores in my hs when i was in attendance and i've always been in "gifted" higher education/intellect oriented classes since i can remember....I then went off to a decent reputable college to study whatever i studied and now i'm here falling apart from my depression that's been lingering for ages. My life is awful....i'm not paranoid no one respects me.
When i walk into an establishment as an african american adult younger male i get racially/age profiled and many times they think that i'm a staff member there instead of a valued customer.
You all "mostly older white men" have no idea of how embarrassing/humiliating it is to enter an establishment as a self made man who has work hard and long to have his time to shine and have a career and finances to enjoy and live off of and when he arrives at a place where he dreamed of being valued at and treated well at and dreamt of having a feeling of "arrival" he gets ignored, treated rudely, mistaken for staff and harassed to the point where actual staff members there question as to whether or not he's even a guest there.
Or like when my problems stemming from sexual and affection oriented deprivation for example.....
I've been to places where rentboys are there to approach and great each guest as they walk in and they're supposed to overtly offer their asses up to the guests and bottom boy out for the guest.
Old gross man, after old gross man, after old gross man enter the establishment and time and time again they LITTERALLY are giving bj's and handjobs to them right infront of everyone all while rolling their eyes at me and constantly walk right past me and right through me as if they don't even see me.
Prostitutes disrespecting me and fucking customer profiling me in an environment where their only goal is to approach each and every attendee the same and give their asses up to them. They disrespect me as if they have a problem servicing me while sitting on an HIV infected 80yo mans cock in front of a crowd of 20 other 80year old HIV+ people. Disgusting.
No offense to anyone on here with that ailment.
In an environment where they are supposed to give ass to whoever enters and in an environment where it's supposed to be an environment where they can give me ass and i can be the one with the picking and fucking be selective and have any ass i want for $200 an hour and even in there where the scumbag underworld prostitues sell themselves....they behave as if i'm undesirable even in a place where the majority are bottom feeders shunned away from the real world. i.e.- Prostitues who NO ONE IN THE WORLD takes seriously.
Pervert old men who never have had a real date even in their youth who have unlimited security issues and are in the closet still at 80, have fake wives, illicit children, gay cheated on boyfriends/lovers/husbands.....just some creeps etc....
It's gross and also disrespectful to me that even in an environment where prostitues and old perverts are the majority they still behave in a way that insinuates that i'm not a playing member....like in high school and not playing soccer with the rest of the kids just because.
It's humiliating and sends me hurling in tears.
I fucking hate them. I cannot stand them. They are ridiculous and horrendous. On one occasion one of the escorts after giving 3 old men bj's in the back room had the audicity to approach me RIGHT AFTER he moments before spend his time glacing at me the whole time while ignoring me on purpose and making out with old geezers in front of me before moving on to blow them...
He has placed his left arm on my shoulder and reluctantly said "hey sexy" I then VIOLENTLY threw arm off me and told him to "get the fuck away from me" he then walked off to another old dirty man and started making out with him continuing to pass himself around.
Disgusting, disturbing and insulting....how dare he and how dare that establishment diss me.
I am 24 years old as of Saturday and yes, I am an African American (American born) male.
I don't know why you''d think otherwise and i don't know why you'd say i'm uneducated.... I got one of the highest sat scores in my hs when i was in attendance and i've always been in "gifted" higher education/intellect oriented classes since i can remember....I then went off to a decent reputable college to study whatever i studied and now i'm here falling apart from my depression that's been lingering for ages. My life is awful....i'm not paranoid no one respects me.
When i walk into an establishment as an african american adult younger male i get racially/age profiled and many times they think that i'm a staff member there instead of a valued customer.
You all "mostly older white men" have no idea of how embarrassing/humiliating it is to enter an establishment as a self made man who has work hard and long to have his time to shine and have a career and finances to enjoy and live off of and when he arrives at a place where he dreamed of being valued at and treated well at and dreamt of having a feeling of "arrival" he gets ignored, treated rudely, mistaken for staff and harassed to the point where actual staff members there question as to whether or not he's even a guest there.
Or like when my problems stemming from sexual and affection oriented deprivation for example.....
I've been to places where rentboys are there to approach and great each guest as they walk in and they're supposed to overtly offer their asses up to the guests and bottom boy out for the guest.
Old gross man, after old gross man, after old gross man enter the establishment and time and time again they LITTERALLY are giving bj's and handjobs to them right infront of everyone all while rolling their eyes at me and constantly walk right past me and right through me as if they don't even see me.
Prostitutes disrespecting me and fucking customer profiling me in an environment where their only goal is to approach each and every attendee the same and give their asses up to them. They disrespect me as if they have a problem servicing me while sitting on an HIV infected 80yo mans cock in front of a crowd of 20 other 80year old HIV+ people. Disgusting.
No offense to anyone on here with that ailment.
In an environment where they are supposed to give ass to whoever enters and in an environment where it's supposed to be an environment where they can give me ass and i can be the one with the picking and fucking be selective and have any ass i want for $200 an hour and even in there where the scumbag underworld prostitues sell themselves....they behave as if i'm undesirable even in a place where the majority are bottom feeders shunned away from the real world. i.e.- Prostitues who NO ONE IN THE WORLD takes seriously.
Pervert old men who never have had a real date even in their youth who have unlimited security issues and are in the closet still at 80, have fake wives, illicit children, gay cheated on boyfriends/lovers/husbands.....just some creeps etc....
It's gross and also disrespectful to me that even in an environment where prostitues and old perverts are the majority they still behave in a way that insinuates that i'm not a playing member....like in high school and not playing soccer with the rest of the kids just because.
It's humiliating and sends me hurling in tears.
I fucking hate them. I cannot stand them. They are ridiculous and horrendous. On one occasion one of the escorts after giving 3 old men bj's in the back room had the audicity to approach me RIGHT AFTER he moments before spend his time glacing at me the whole time while ignoring me on purpose and making out with old geezers in front of me before moving on to blow them...
He has placed his left arm on my shoulder and reluctantly said "hey sexy" I then VIOLENTLY threw arm off me and told him to "get the fuck away from me" he then walked off to another old dirty man and started making out with him continuing to pass himself around.
Disgusting, disturbing and insulting....how dare he and how dare that establishment diss me.
Re: I need help bad, i keep crying and don't know what to do.
Re: I need help bad, i keep crying and don't know what to do.
^^^^^^
You are a danger to others,you should be sectioned,before you kill someone.
Enough can a MOD not intervene, please.
^^^^^^
You are a danger to others,you should be sectioned,before you kill someone.
Enough can a MOD not intervene, please.
theFallenGod
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Re: I need help bad, i keep crying and don't know what to do.
The establishment... or yourself?
Let's use that brain for once for logical thinking instead of close minded ignorance ...ok?
Those old men are probably regulars... The rent boys probably know them personally and how much they are willing to do and or pay. Hence why they approach them more casually.
You on the other hand, being so young and newer and quite frankly rude as hell, they probably assume to be someone who accidentally stumbled into their bar and know nothing about so they can't properly assess what you want or what you are willing to pay. Time is money for them and why should they waste their time on someone who may not even be willing?
Also these old men probably treat these guys with courtesy and respect, they probably treat them as human beings. The old men are just looking for someone to pretend they care about them for a moment or two. You on the other hand threat them as objects to be used and probably give off a very predatory spiteful aura. Hence another reason you are ignored. These hustlers develop a good sense of who they can trust and who not to for their own safety. You, by what you have written thus far, are definitely not someone they can trust or be comfortable around.
2nd... These guys do this all the time. What makes you think that even if they had approached you when you first walked in the bar that before you they hadn't been with about 10 other guys? Or how many hundreds in the weeks before?
You want a hustler that just loves you? Honey, reality check, this isn't Pretty Woman. Those things don't happen in real life.
Unless you smarten up and change your ignorant little views and get some much needed help from a real professional you are going to be complaining about this for your entire sad lonely existence. Good Luck.
The establishment... or yourself?
Let's use that brain for once for logical thinking instead of close minded ignorance ...ok?
Those old men are probably regulars... The rent boys probably know them personally and how much they are willing to do and or pay. Hence why they approach them more casually.
You on the other hand, being so young and newer and quite frankly rude as hell, they probably assume to be someone who accidentally stumbled into their bar and know nothing about so they can't properly assess what you want or what you are willing to pay. Time is money for them and why should they waste their time on someone who may not even be willing?
Also these old men probably treat these guys with courtesy and respect, they probably treat them as human beings. The old men are just looking for someone to pretend they care about them for a moment or two. You on the other hand threat them as objects to be used and probably give off a very predatory spiteful aura. Hence another reason you are ignored. These hustlers develop a good sense of who they can trust and who not to for their own safety. You, by what you have written thus far, are definitely not someone they can trust or be comfortable around.
2nd... These guys do this all the time. What makes you think that even if they had approached you when you first walked in the bar that before you they hadn't been with about 10 other guys? Or how many hundreds in the weeks before?
You want a hustler that just loves you? Honey, reality check, this isn't Pretty Woman. Those things don't happen in real life.
Unless you smarten up and change your ignorant little views and get some much needed help from a real professional you are going to be complaining about this for your entire sad lonely existence. Good Luck.
theFallenGod
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Re: I need help bad, i keep crying and don't know what to do.
Also... This ^ ... You may as well never return to that establishment because you can bet that not only did he tell all the other guys what a dickhead you were but you can also bet some of them saw what you did because they watch eveything in there and you will NEVER again get approached in that bar.
Also... This ^ ... You may as well never return to that establishment because you can bet that not only did he tell all the other guys what a dickhead you were but you can also bet some of them saw what you did because they watch eveything in there and you will NEVER again get approached in that bar.
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I'm afraid to better my life and stand up for myself due to other people hurting me.
I'm afraid to do what's best for me. The world has bullied me into not doing what's best for me and speaking freely in a way that lifts me up and gives me power.
The abuse that the world has been showing me has been causing me to avoid doing things that are best for me due to the fact that the world seems to want me to fail, be unhappy, never rise up.
People treat me so mean and you all don't understand.
Not having respect given to you is like not living a meaningful life.
People bully me, torment me, hurt me and refuse to uplift and standby me.
I've been attacked while people have watched.
I've been embarrassed and ridiculed while people have watched.
I've NEVER had a real friend in my entire life....i've never been treated well my entire life.
I've never had a person wish me well, I've never had a person wish me happy birthday or merry christmas.
I've never received a birthday gift from a friend.
I've never had a valentine, i've never had a boyfriend, i've never had a first kiss.
I've had sex before but not a first kiss.....i've never had a boyfriend...
I've never had an attactive guy like me which hurts my feelings
I've never had the freedom to walk through life without feeling nervous or anxious.
Why do people treat me like a person who is unhuman?]
Why do i feel like i habe to fight for the smallest things such as general respect?
I'm afraid to do what's best for me. The world has bullied me into not doing what's best for me and speaking freely in a way that lifts me up and gives me power.
The abuse that the world has been showing me has been causing me to avoid doing things that are best for me due to the fact that the world seems to want me to fail, be unhappy, never rise up.
People treat me so mean and you all don't understand.
Not having respect given to you is like not living a meaningful life.
People bully me, torment me, hurt me and refuse to uplift and standby me.
I've been attacked while people have watched.
I've been embarrassed and ridiculed while people have watched.
I've NEVER had a real friend in my entire life....i've never been treated well my entire life.
I've never had a person wish me well, I've never had a person wish me happy birthday or merry christmas.
I've never received a birthday gift from a friend.
I've never had a valentine, i've never had a boyfriend, i've never had a first kiss.
I've had sex before but not a first kiss.....i've never had a boyfriend...
I've never had an attactive guy like me which hurts my feelings
I've never had the freedom to walk through life without feeling nervous or anxious.
Why do people treat me like a person who is unhuman?]
Why do i feel like i habe to fight for the smallest things such as general respect?
Re: I'm afraid to better my life and stand up for myself due to other people hurting me.
I wish you well, and hope you have a merry Christmas.
I wish you well, and hope you have a merry Christmas.
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Re: I'm afraid to better my life and stand up for myself due to other people hurting me.
Sweetheart, I know how you feel. I have NEVER had a friend give me a birthday gift even though I've given out plenty. I relate to a lot of what you're saying. You're not alone. I had my best friend who I had know for years attack my beliefs and religion because he felt that gays did not deserve to call themselves followers of God...IN FRONT OF OUR PEERS IN CLASS! I don't know how old you are, but it really doesn't matter. It WILL get better! Sometimes it takes a physical change, like moving and starting anew, but that will only incite what truly must change in order for you to feel whole. The root of the problem lies with you. Realize that not everyone is as knowledgeable about your feelings as you are. Take time to realize what is special about you. Please don't dwell on the pain of your past, I lost so much time doing that.
Also, it is IMPERATIVE that you distance yourself from those who are hurting you.
Btw, I'll be your friend, cutie! Happy holidays!
Sweetheart, I know how you feel. I have NEVER had a friend give me a birthday gift even though I've given out plenty. I relate to a lot of what you're saying. You're not alone. I had my best friend who I had know for years attack my beliefs and religion because he felt that gays did not deserve to call themselves followers of God...IN FRONT OF OUR PEERS IN CLASS! I don't know how old you are, but it really doesn't matter. It WILL get better! Sometimes it takes a physical change, like moving and starting anew, but that will only incite what truly must change in order for you to feel whole. The root of the problem lies with you. Realize that not everyone is as knowledgeable about your feelings as you are. Take time to realize what is special about you. Please don't dwell on the pain of your past, I lost so much time doing that.
Also, it is IMPERATIVE that you distance yourself from those who are hurting you.
Btw, I'll be your friend, cutie! Happy holidays!
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Re: I'm afraid to better my life and stand up for myself due to other people hurting me.
WOW!!!
IF you don't see the PROBLEM after posting a post like your OP -- I don't know where to begin...
It is OBVIOUS!!!
YOU are an ADULT now...
YOU need to live you life in a way to where YOU like YOURSELF...
The rest will follow...
I promise...
DON'T BE NEEDY...
WOW!!!
IF you don't see the PROBLEM after posting a post like your OP -- I don't know where to begin...
It is OBVIOUS!!!
YOU are an ADULT now...
YOU need to live you life in a way to where YOU like YOURSELF...
The rest will follow...
I promise...
DON'T BE NEEDY...
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Re: I'm afraid to better my life and stand up for myself due to other people hurting me.
Oh God. Here we go again.
Doesn't anyone ever bother to read prior posts by the OP?
But in the meantime, Merry Christmas.
Please get some serious therapeutic help.
Please.
Please.
Please.
Oh God. Here we go again.
Doesn't anyone ever bother to read prior posts by the OP?
But in the meantime, Merry Christmas.
Please get some serious therapeutic help.
Please.
Please.
Please.
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Thanks to the mods for rolling up all of these threads into an omnibus magnum opus.
It is almost a first year textbook stroll through a garden of neurosis, psychosis and delusional, paranoid schitzophrenia.
I look back at the earliest post and the outpouring of goodwill and support and then despair as we follow the OP's journey through a repetitive cycle of crisis.
Once again, hopefully the OP will also re-read his entire saga and realize, in some lucid moment, that professional support on a constant basis is the only way forward in order to live the most balanced life possible under the circumstances.
It is almost a first year textbook stroll through a garden of neurosis, psychosis and delusional, paranoid schitzophrenia.
I look back at the earliest post and the outpouring of goodwill and support and then despair as we follow the OP's journey through a repetitive cycle of crisis.
Once again, hopefully the OP will also re-read his entire saga and realize, in some lucid moment, that professional support on a constant basis is the only way forward in order to live the most balanced life possible under the circumstances.
Re: I'm afraid to better my life and stand up for myself due to other people hurting me.
You have the "poor me" attitude and blame the world ?
You have the "poor me" attitude and blame the world ?
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Bluntly... the whine is getting old.
I went through a long period where what you just described above was a GOOD day.
Want to know how I climbed out of there to where what you described was just an ordinary day, and finally a bad day? It's actually very simple: I realized something you show every sign of not knowing -- I own myself.
You don't -- or, rather, you've let go of the title and are acting like a slave. You're all about letting other people decide the quality of your life, and that's slavery. You volunteered for slavery. Sure, no one came and asked you, no one explained that was what you were doing, but little by little, or maybe in chucks and gobs, you surrendered the title to yourself and voluntarily became a slave.
If the actions of strangers you don't know can change your feelings, you're a slave -- a slave to their whims. Solution? Every time that stuff happens, tell yourself, "I own myself, they don't, so what they think doesn't matter." Sound trite? Well, it is -- if you don't take it seriously. Yes, you'll have to do that a few times... like ten or twelve thousand.
But it's just like how you got to where you are: no one dumped you in that hole, you dug it. You dug it a bit at a time, until it's a massive crater. But there's good news about that: you dug it, which means you can dig out of it.
Work with the item above, about other people. And start every day with a reminder to yourself that you own yourself, no one else does.
And see a therapist, one that does cognitive reality work -- the problem isn't your reality, it's the way you think about your reality.
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Re: I'm afraid to better my life and stand up for myself due to other people hurting me.
This is the smartest thing Telstra's ever said... and I agree with him.
Is the world ending?
This is the smartest thing Telstra's ever said... and I agree with him.
Is the world ending?
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Actually, it wasn't moved. It was merged with the last set of threads on the same topic by the same OP. It just happened that those threads were in CO&R.