Frozen Electric Cars Available

[rareboy]

^ When people had been running out of gas in the middle of nowhere or, at least, at home but far away from a gas station, as if there had never been any way to know to how much there was left in your tank, you can not except that people are being any wiser now with electrical charges.

Well, I suppose this is true, isn't it?

 

[Latimer]

From the Washington Examiner of January 9:

"The largest charging station in the world sits at Coalinga, California [along US Interstate 5, the primary north-south route through the state]. The Harris Ranch Tesla Supercharger station contains 98 charging bays that can charge your Tesla up to 80% in 20 minutes. While Tesla CEO Elon Musk said back in 2017 that all of the company's superchargers were being converted to solar energy, the Coalinga station is simply too large to run on anything other than the diesel generators the sit behind a nearby Shell station."

 

[belamyi]

From the Washington Examiner of January 9:

The Harris Ranch Tesla Supercharger station contains 98 charging bays that can charge your Tesla up to 80% in 20 minutes.

I can imagine the average "old-fashioned" driver, with much more patience than a belamyi, saying what he or she thinks of waiting 20 minutes to recharge/refill 80% of the running power of a car.

I always said the 21st century will not START STARTING until around 2025, and the real 21st century that would be requiring power from batteries, would need something else than creeping devices that would still need quarters of an hour, or even entire hours, to keep the world running.

 

[purina]

Something that rhymes with icicle.

 

[Peloso]

What happens to all those old batteries?

If Americans were serious about mitigating climate change, we'd melt down all the electric cars and build a rail system. But people are too selfish and prissy to give up private transportation and the auto industry, which owns the government wouldn't allow it.

 

[belamyi]

Something that rhymes with icicle.

I see kell?

 

[rareboy]

Well... the tide is definitely turning.

The U.S. Is Deploying 125 New EV Chargers Every Single Day

The EV charger rollout in the U.S. is happening very quickly. At the close of 2023, the U.S. averaged 125 new EV chargers every single day.

insideevs.com

 

[Kahaih]

What happens to all those old batteries?

If Americans were serious about mitigating climate change, we'd melt down all the electric cars and build a rail system. But people are too selfish and prissy to give up private transportation and the auto industry, which owns the government wouldn't allow it.

Train?

Just how the hell would fat people get their SUV full of groceries home?

Do you really want to share public transport with toilet paper hoaders?

 

[USEDCAR]

What happens to all those old batteries?

If Americans were serious about mitigating climate change, we'd melt down all the electric cars and build a rail system. But people are too selfish and prissy to give up private transportation and the auto industry, which owns the government wouldn't allow it.

I think if people was really serious about climate change they would stop tearing up land and cutting down trees to built over priced housing developments and shopping centers. Why do we need so many Dollar Stores within minutes of each other? (Strip Malls,Car Washes,Warehouses etc) They built all these new rite aides for them to be closed down a few years later. This one town residents fought a developer from tearing up woods to put a warehouse there. I wonder how much of that asphalt is heating up our earth up?

A rail system would be cool for the bigger cities but what about rural areas? how will those people access the train? Some places in America you need a car to get by.

As for electric cars maybe in 20-30 years we can start having them and they start having more charging ports and the electric grid can handle having cars being plugged in., The grid can't even handle summer time when everyone is running their air conditioning. They need to figure out why the battery isn't working when its cold and get the prices down.

 

[Araucaria]

From the Washington Examiner of January 9:

"The largest charging station in the world sits at Coalinga, California [along US Interstate 5, the primary north-south route through the state]. The Harris Ranch Tesla Supercharger station contains 98 charging bays that can charge your Tesla up to 80% in 20 minutes. While Tesla CEO Elon Musk said back in 2017 that all of the company's superchargers were being converted to solar energy, the Coalinga station is simply too large to run on anything other than the diesel generators the sit behind a nearby Shell station."

I thought the main purpose of switching to electric cars was to cut down on fossil fuel emissions. The other part of the equation is that the power grid is to be converted to renewable energy sources. But unless we make that conversion, all we're doing in switching from one fossil fuel to another for our transportation needs, which will result in zero CO2 emission reduction.

 

[belamyi]

I think if people was really serious about climate change they would stop tearing up land and cutting down trees to built over priced housing developments and shopping centers. (...) They built all these new rite aides for them to be closed down a few years later. (...)

A rail system would be cool for the bigger cities but what about rural areas? how will those people access the train? Some places in America you need a car to get by.

(...) The grid can't even handle summer time when everyone is running their air conditioning. They need to figure out why the battery isn't working when its cold and get the prices down.

 

[Araucaria]

I think if people was really serious about climate change they would stop tearing up land and cutting down trees to built over priced housing developments and shopping centers. Why do we need so many Dollar Stores within minutes of each other? (Strip Malls,Car Washes,Warehouses etc) They built all these new rite aides for them to be closed down a few years later. This one town residents fought a developer from tearing up woods to put a warehouse there. I wonder how much of that asphalt is heating up our earth up?

The other part of this is that we need to stop building our urban areas on the suburban sprawl model, where the automobile dominates. We need to design our cities so that fewer trips are needed, and most of the trips we do take will be for shorter distances. If large numbers of people ride the trains, there will be less energy used per individual trip. And as it has been pointed out in previous threads, switching to electric cars won't solve the problem, because automobiles require huge spaces to travel on streets and highways, parking spaces, etc. Electric cars do not address the space problem. If we have less sprawl, that would drastically cut down on the demand for new land areas overtaking farms and forested areas.

 

[belamyi]

The other part of this is that we need to stop building our urban areas on the suburban sprawl model, where the automobile dominates. We need to design our cities so that fewer trips are needed, and most of the trips we do take will be for shorter distances. If large numbers of people ride the trains, there will be less energy used per individual trip. And as it has been pointed out in previous threads, switching to electric cars won't solve the problem, because automobiles require huge spaces to travel on streets and highways, parking spaces, etc. Electric cars do not address the space problem. If we have less sprawl, that would drastically cut down on the demand for new land areas overtaking farms and forested areas.

In short, the solution is "destroying America"... as we know it.
That is another way of admitting that we are still living in the XXth century, the ending trail of the post-WWII boom.

Reactionary people get one thing right, though: CHANGE is always "terrorism"; on the other hand, EVOLUTION, like that from 1946 to 2026, is more or less "seamless"... true change is always a catastrophe, that is why it always happens after some sort of major crisis, like a war, a meltdown... And REFORM simply does not exist as some sort of major evolution or minor change and crisis: it is simply a rhetorical illusion.

 

[Peloso]

A rail system would be cool for the bigger cities but what about rural areas? how will those people access the train? Some places in America you need a car to get by.

That's the point. An interstate rail system would connect rural areas with urban areas. Look at the rail system in Europe vs. what we have here

 

[rareboy]

btw....

 

[rareboy]

Would point out that there are actually portable chargers that allow a plug-in pretty much anyplace with electricity.

J+ BOOSTER 2 portable EV charger review: More bang for your buck

When Juice Americas launched its portable two-in-one EV charger, the J+ BOOSTER 2, in North America, Electrek reviewed it. Here's how it went.

electrek.co

 

[pigface]

What happens to all those old batteries?

If Americans were serious about mitigating climate change, we'd melt down all the electric cars and build a rail system. But people are too selfish and prissy to give up private transportation and the auto industry, which owns the government wouldn't allow it.

It's not so much that I'd like to deny people their own cars (of any propulsion method) but I'd like their power and size restricted.
Average drivers don't need a 5 passenger car with a 250kW engine.
It's penis envy.
2 seats, 30kW will get you to the shop and office just fine.

 

[rareboy]

^ This is one of the great problems with American vehicles....everyone now seems to have to have an extended cab truck.

Just to note though...there are real problems facing the EV industry right now. Hertz is trashing their whole inventory of 20,000 EV's because they are more expensive to operate. And sales are apparently slowing.

 

[Alistair]