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Kulindahr, I think you are credulous about some very silly ideas and it seems obvious to me that you do not train your well-developed everyday powers of observation on your own beliefs. That's my view of your ideas not of you. I'd not bother debating you if I thought I was only talking to myself. Your post here is hoping to catch us in an attack against believers themselves, hoping to find an ad hominem, so that there would be a reason not to contend with the arguments that atheists actually make about your beliefs.^
That's ignoring all the militant believers who turn out for anti-war marches, gather food for the hungry, provide shelter for the homeless, send medical help all over the world, help refugees of all sorts, and fight for laws recognizing gays as equal to everyone else . . .
and the militant atheists who roam internet fora to drop in and trash believers at every opportunity.
I'm sure bankside and Kulindahr might have some opinion about this
If you do, can you put it on the religion forum, please?
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"needless to say I got stiffed."

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Actually, we didn't get our Arabic numerals from muslims. We got them from Arabs. Looooong before islam was invented.
Everyone should knock on some religious people's houses and try to convert them.
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