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Funny anti-religious Internet pics

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Just for the pleasure of hearing someone else debate those points, I'm going to do it.

Reasons:
  1. "That depends what you call evidence." Weak, I know but I'm trying.
  2. "The origins of the universe are shrouded in the big bang - a singularity beyond which physics cannot make any evaluation by the very definition of the word "singularity. Therefor the gospels explain it."
  3. "Yes, but that's just the origins of life. What about the preconditions that made those origins possible?"
  4. This one I legitimately think overstates the case. Religion definitely makes claims that can be proven false, but that does not mean all of them have been proven false. I think they have all been proven ridiculously improbable, but that's a bit different. Also, neuroscience is exploring questions about consciousness and the field seems to be finding materialist solutions fit the bill, but I wouldn't yet say it is proven. Oh, and "God regrows those limbs in heaven. He says you don't need them now."
  5. "Killing all those babies was just God's way of helping people learn a lesson about morality, and they needed a strong lesson."
  6. "They weren't ready yet."
  7. "Well that's exactly why it has to be a miracle we're here!"
  8. "They were only divinely inspired. The editing and publishing was left up to humans and you know how fallible they are." or "It's actually an adult learning technique. If you just spell it all out in a very dry powerpoint, no one would pay attention. You have to work the content into a fun activity like a crossword puzzle, or a word search, or a morass of crazy self-contradictory mumbo jumbo in incoherently overlapping tracts that people really have to puzzle through before they get the idea. If Jeopardy was around, God could have used "buy a vowel" to help people remember the 10 Commandments."
  9. "Yabbut yabbut yabbut, this one is true! Plus, all those other religions PROVE that people have a spiritual intuition, even if they are godless heathens who picked the wrong book to follow and only insult the One True God™ with their inane rantings about other fake gods. But still it kind of proves religion even though all those other heathens are going to hell. And going to hell proves religion too, so QED."
  10. "God can suspend all the laws of physics anyway so causality and the nature of time are just trifling details. He invented causality and the nature of time so he can just repeal those laws whenever he feels like it. Same way we can repeal murder laws or anti-slavery laws. It doesn't really matter what the law says if you're the one who can write it."

Not reasons:
All pretty accurate.
 
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God checker.

Pick a God, any God.:mrgreen:

I always got a kick out of St. Simeon Stylites -- he lived on a pillar for most of his life... which made people decide he was holy.

There were some others who did the same, except they got tired of being bothered by people who decided that they were holy and therefor had wisdom, so they made their pillars taller by adding more stones, to get far enough away they wouldn't have to hear the questions.
 
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Just for the pleasure of hearing someone else debate those points, I'm going to do it.

This one I legitimately think overstates the case. Religion definitely makes claims that can be proven false, but that does not mean all of them have been proven false. I think they have all been proven ridiculously improbable, but that's a bit different. Also, neuroscience is exploring questions about consciousness and the field seems to be finding materialist solutions fit the bill, but I wouldn't yet say it is proven. Oh, and "God regrows those limbs in heaven. He says you don't need them now."

WRT the neuroscience one, that's like claiming that because we can observe the electrical activity in a computer as it does its thing, there's no program.

"They weren't ready yet."

Actually, all one has to do is point out that "This makes no sense" is not even an argument.

"Well that's exactly why it has to be a miracle we're here!"

LOL

A silly aspect of that one is that the Bible nowhere claims that the universe was made for us -- just this planet. What it does say is that God made all things "for His pleasure" -- not for us at all.

"God can suspend all the laws of physics anyway so causality and the nature of time are just trifling details. He invented causality and the nature of time so he can just repeal those laws whenever he feels like it. Same way we can repeal murder laws or anti-slavery laws. It doesn't really matter what the law says if you're the one who can write it."

Why would He need to "repeal" any laws? That's the same sort of moronic thinking shown by commentators who talk about someone "defying gravity" -- they're not defying gravity, they're just making use of another rule or rules.

Though actually the thinking error generally involved on this one is the assumption that the universe is a closed system. Scientifically we don't even know that, so it's a really foolish assumption.
 
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Um, JUB is really weirding out on me, so I can't tell if my post above this came out or not -- it looks like a bunch of color patches with words strung among them!

My hope is that this post will show up weird and make the other one look right.....
 
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Um, JUB is really weirding out on me, so I can't tell if my post above this came out or not -- it looks like a bunch of color patches with words strung among them!

My hope is that this post will show up weird and make the other one look right.....


It looks as though you actually escaped the bounds of the reply box and integrated your responses into the fabric of JUB itself. Another dimension! Or, A miracle!

The Gods are working well tonight! (bonus points for identifying that quote.)
 
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WRT the neuroscience one, that's like claiming that because we can observe the electrical activity in a computer as it does its thing, there's no program.

My impression of the materialist solutions Bankside refers to inevitably grapple seriously with the problem (to borrow your language) of the program. Of course there are very few Cartesian dualists, but neither are there many who simply suggest that the programming and the electrical activity are identical.
 
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Um, JUB is really weirding out on me, so I can't tell if my post above this came out or not -- it looks like a bunch of color patches with words strung among them!

My hope is that this post will show up weird and make the other one look right.....
BACK.
AWAY.
FROM.
THE.
ACID.

Or maybe Corny was doing a test, lol.
 
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^^ That's food for thought.
 
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My impression of the materialist solutions Bankside refers to inevitably grapple seriously with the problem (to borrow your language) of the program. Of course there are very few Cartesian dualists, but neither are there many who simply suggest that the programming and the electrical activity are identical.

I'm a Cartesian dualist on alternate Thursdays.
 
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I'm a Cartesian dualist on alternate Thursdays.

That leaves you with 13 days in need of explaining.

(I almost said, "that leaves you with 13 days to explain" but then I considered I wouldn't hear back until May 28th.)
 
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That leaves you with 13 days in need of explaining.

(I almost said, "that leaves you with 13 days to explain" but then I considered I wouldn't hear back until May 28th.)

An astute observer of his own grammar!


I wander all over the place the rest of the time. Cartesian dualism is just a sort of anchor spot. :p
 
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An astute observer of his own grammar!


I wander all over the place the rest of the time. Cartesian dualism is just a sort of anchor spot. :p

What is Cartesian dualism? It sounds like one of those heresies the Pope warned me about.
 
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What is Cartesian dualism? It sounds like one of those heresies the Pope warned me about.

LOL

Here:

Dualism is closely associated with the philosophy of René Descartes (1641), which holds that the mind is a nonphysical substance. Descartes clearly identified the mind with consciousness and self-awareness and distinguished this from the brain as the seat of intelligence.[6] Hence, he was the first to formulate the mind–body problem in the form in which it exists today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_(philosophy_of_mind)
 
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