GAO learns truth about guns and the internet

[Kulindahr]

The suggestion that all internet transactions for firearms follow legal requirements is laughable.

In some areas the actual transaction, even if posted and responded to on the internet, transpires in-person with cash and no questions asked. This is especially prevalent in rural areas where people either don't know better or don't care; no one checks so why the bother. It is one of the most frightening things about coming home to the sticks for the holidays.

From the report, those are the very kinds of transactions the GAO tried to do -- and failed every time.

 

[MakeItTonite]

From the report, those are the very kinds of transactions the GAO tried to do -- and failed every time.

Thank you.

 

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The existence of listings for guns for sale has no bearing at all on how easy they are to get.

Here it's as easy as buying a loaf of bread. I'm talking private sales.

"Maine has no law requiring a background check on the purchaser of a firearm when the seller is not a licensed dealer."
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/private-sales-in-maine/

 

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[MakeItTonite]

^ Outrageous! How dare they have a sense of humor. Ban all signs. Do it now!

 

[Kulindahr]

Here it's as easy as buying a loaf of bread. I'm talking private sales.

"Maine has no law requiring a background check on the purchaser of a firearm when the seller is not a licensed dealer."
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/private-sales-in-maine/

Private sales is what the GAO studied -- and found that in fact it isn't that easy.

Most states have no requirement for a background check between private sellers -- yet private sellers are cautious about to whom they are selling. That's why the "gun show loophole" is a fantasy.

Of course the real travesty is that federal law forbids background checks for private sellers -- only FFL holders can use the NICS line. That indicates the supporters of the law aren't interested in safety or in blocking prohibited persons from buying firearms; if they were, they would happily have opened the NICS to anyone wanting to sell any weapon at all.

 

[Kulindahr]

If they offered flu vaccines, they could be a triple shot.....

 

[TX-Beau]

No, the GAO TOLD people it was illegal to sell them a gun. Big shock people were reluctant.

But frankly Kuli your representation that anyone on craigslist must be licensed on both sides is just fucking bogus. People sell to each other all the damn time and if I lie to you about who I am, there is no requirement that anyone check out my story.

That's the law (or lack thereof.)

Plus ANY lack of regulation is on the lobbyists. That insinuation that it's the people who want regulation that are blocking it is utter fantasy.

 

[Kulindahr]

Plus ANY lack of regulation is on the lobbyists. That insinuation that it's the people who want regulation that are blocking it is utter fantasy.

The NRA fought to get the NICS open to anyone. Democrats killed it.

So yes, that private sellers are forbidden from making checks on prospective buyers is deliberate on the part of "gun control" advocates. And now that states are requiring background checks for all transfers the goal becomes clear: it isn't safety, and it isn't keeping guns out of the hands of the wrong people, it's getting on record who has guns.

And historically, every single time that's happened the end goal has been confiscation.

 

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The NRA fought to get the NICS open to anyone. Democrats killed it.

Democrats objected to use of the NICS to determine eligibility for voter registration as proposed by the (now disbanded) Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity.

… that private sellers are forbidden from making checks on prospective buyers is deliberate on the part of "gun control" advocates. And now that states are requiring background checks for all transfers the goal becomes clear: it isn't safety, and it isn't keeping guns out of the hands of the wrong people, it's getting on record who has guns.

And historically, every single time that's happened the end goal has been confiscation.

The NICS, including the NICS Audit Log, may not be used by any Department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons prohibited from receiving a firearm by 18 U.S.C. 922(g) or or by state law.

28 CFR 25.9 - Retention and destruction of records in the system. (Legal Information Institute)

Nineteen states and Washington DC have extended the background check requirement beyond federal law to at least some private sales.

[Giffords Law Center]