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Gas prices in U.S. to hit $4.00 by April!

^ Yeah and how about the fact that it's Walmart and its "low" prices that have almost single handedly sent millions of American manufacturing jobs to Communist China just so people can buy cheap crap in their junk pile stores and think they're getting a good deal?

They're all doing it now but Walmart started it. Outsource, destroy the middle class, deceive the population, turn us into corporate economic slaves, just to inflate the stock price to astronomical heights and pay the executives obscene, morbidly obese salaries.

It is corporate Fascism destroying the United States.

Walmart is evil.

End-Rant.
 
Perhaps we Americans have paid comparatively cheaper prices for gasoline, but we are a major oil producing country.
The citizens of Dubai, Saudi Arabia etc also pay less at the pumps. It's just logical.
With global warming, diminishing fossil fuel reserves etc it's everyones responsibility to conserve.
For now, we are stuck with the combustible engine and there isn't a whole lot the average "guy in the street" can do about it (but he is expected to pay for it, while the oil corporations continue to make record profits).
People who live in major municipalities should take public transportation whenever possible. People in more spread out areas who don't have subways, monorails etc
don't have very many alternatives to driving.
 
^ Yeah and how about the fact that it's Walmart and its "low" prices that have almost single handedly sent millions of American manufacturing jobs to Communist China just so people can buy cheap crap in their junk pile stores and think they're getting a good deal?

They're all doing it now but Walmart started it. Outsource, destroy the middle class, deceive the population, turn us into corporate economic slaves, just to inflate the stock price to astronomical heights and pay the executives obscene, morbidly obese salaries.

It is corporate Fascism destroying the United States.

Walmart is evil.

End-Rant.

OOOOOOOOH so THAT'S why they say Wal-Mart is evil.
 
Except at Walmart, where it'll be $4.00

Right or wrong, that's where my broke ass will have to buy it.

Back to the topic, I really don't see any Americans actually "cutting-back" or really giving a sh#t about it enough to get anything done.

They all still drive around one-to-a-vehicle in gas-guzzling SUVs and pick-ups.

i drive a 4 banger and its shitty millage
 
I think this is exactly what was planned by the secret Dick Cheney energy meetings with the oil companies just after Bush took office. Dick and company planned to manipulate the markets so that gas would be $5.00 a gallon in the U.S. by the time Bush left office and that he and Halliburton and the oil companies would be mega-zillionaires and the rest of us economic slaves to the fascist corporate regime.

Point is GWB and his cabal took it from ~$1.80/gallon to ~$3.50/gallon. Sux here and everywhere else the price went up by as much.


A lot of people get off on blaming this on Bush. That's totally off the mark, though; if anything, Bush has been trying to keep oil prices down, to keep the U.S. economy humming.
The problem is, as Quixote's post noted, supply and demand: the supply is about the same, while the demand can be summed up in two words: China, and India. There are others, but those two nations between them will be doubling the number of gas-eating automobiles on the world's roads over the next (short) bunch of years.
If you want to posit a conspiracy-theory type reason for Cheney's secret meetings, there's a more sensible one: plan how to take advantage of the inevitable rise in oil prices -- including getting control of a part of the world's supply, so we can't get cut off.

Conspiracy theories can be fun, but inevitably they lead to planning that has no relevance to the real world, which in turn results in worse outcomes than no planning at all.
 
You'll all survive. You just won't have as much extra money to buy useless shit made of plastic at Walmart.

What I buy at Walmart I do because the same items cost more elsewhere, and I can't avoid buying them.

But there's an important word in your sentence, with respect to the topic:

plastic.​

Plastic is basically a petroleum product. Every time a plastic wrapper is torn off and thrown away, that's petroleum that could have been fuel. If that pbit of petroleum hadn't been made into plastic, fuel would be cheaper.
Everyone is so intent on finding alternative energy sources that few are looking to meet the challenge of dwindling oil reserves in another way: replacing plastics with something else.

My favorite substitute is hemp. I've read that if for every possible use of plastic that hemp could do in the U.S. the switch were made, it would amount to nearly 2% of the nation's oil imports.
 
This is certainly an interesting topic ... I traded my nice big Expedition last year for a little Nissan 2.2 4liter . I just could not afford the rising gas prices .. I noticed today that in this town they were low at $2.99 per Gal. and down the road they were high at $3.17 per gal. YET; I can still drive about twelve miles to another town and buy gas for $2.91 per gallon. HOWEVER; a gas station just two miles from the Orlando International Airport is charging $4.49 per Gal. for the lowest gasoline .... Folks are raising Hell; BUT doesn't seem like too much can be done about it ...
I buy my bread items at the "Day Old" discount bakery ... the rest of my groceries , I usually get from Wal Mart or Albertson's ... A person shops where he can afford .
 
In Oz, petrol is about US4.50 per US gallon. You've got a way to go boys!

Over here the range can be between US4.50 per gallon to US5.10 per gallon...so you guys in the US have a long way to go especially if some say it is US3.50 per gallon...and we had a spike just before the christmas holidays
 
I've heard Jim Cramer (the Mad Money guy) say that within 10 years, gas will be $15 - $20/gallon in the US. His reasoning was related to supply and demand, and how there are no new oil reserves being discovered.

It's true that no new reserves are being discovered. However, there are technologies which can convert just about anything ever made from oil, plus a lot of other things, back into oil. The way prices are climbing, one of those, the "anything to oil" technology, is starting to look very profitable. It will also serve another function: there's a LOT of waste rubber and plastic products around, and they can all go into the hopper.

Admittedly, continuing to burn oil isn't an optimal solution. But getting our oil from garbage will keep money at home.
 
Personally, I think that the increase in costs is a good thing. It will force us to be more energy efficient. It will put more pressure on companies to do so as well. It will force us to be less energy wasteful. And if people don't, they will just have to make the sacrifices in their daily lives.

I do think that we are coming to the end of cheap energy. We will still have gas but it will become more and more costly to get and refine.

Please look up oil peak.

I try my best to be energy efficient. For example, I work from home and I drive a hybrid. Some people will eventually want to consdier changing their lifestyle as well as where they choose to live. People should not live far away from where they work unless they have the mass transit system available that can justify it.

Part of this is a quality of life issue as well. Do you really want to spend all that time on the road when you could be using that time to do other things you might enjoy doing?

Some of this will, in the U.S., bump up against "urban planning" policies which restrict people's ability to relocate, and forces them into long commutes. It's crazy, but I've met people who live in Portland who commute like 70 miles to Albany, people who live in Salem who commute over 50 miles to Vancouver, Washington, people who commute from Corvallis some 65 miles to Newport.... all who would much rather live near their work, but thanks to crowding and rising prices resulting from "urban planning", they can't find anything they can afford, and so they continue to burn hours and gallons, gallons and hours.
 
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Oil prices have doubled from $50 a barrel in January 2007




Oil price at record $100 a barrel
Oil has traded at $100 a barrel for the first time.

Violence in Nigeria, Algeria and Pakistan, the weak US dollar and the threat of cold weather have all raised prices after the new year break.
Light sweet crude rose $4.02 to $100 a barrel in New York, prompting a drop in shares and a surge in gold prices.
There are concerns that the high price of oil will stoke inflation at a time when many central banks are trying to cut interest rates to stimulate growth.
US shares had already been hit on Wednesday by figures showing that the manufacturing sector was contracting.



After oil broke the $100 barrel they fell further, with the Dow Jones closing down 1.7% or 220.9 points at 13044.0.
"All of the factors that pushed us above $80 are now moving us higher," said Peter Beutel at Cameron Hanover in Connecticut.
"Until we get more supply or demand starts to take a hit, there is no reason we can't see any number."
Low volumes
But some analysts played down the relevance of passing the $100 mark.
"The entire focus on $100 oil is frivolous," said Tim Evans at Citigroup Futures Research in New York.
"It is not a magic number. It doesn't suddenly make this a fundamentally strong market."
Trading volumes were about half of their usual levels as traders returned from their new year breaks, which may have exaggerated the effect of speculative transactions, analysts said.
"I would imagine the speculators are the biggest drivers today," said Phil Flynn from Alaron Trading in Chicago.

$100 is just the beginning
Zachary Oxman, Wisdom Financial

The oil-producers' cartel Opec has also blamed speculators for the high price of crude and said that there is plenty of the fuel in the market to meet demand.
President Bush has said he would not be drawing on the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) to try to bring down prices.
"This president will not use the SPR to manipulate (oil prices)," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.
"Doing a temporary release of the SPR is not going to change prices very much."
Moving on up?
There are those who believe that oil prices can rise significantly higher.
While daily price rises have been blamed on unrest in oil-supplying countries such as Nigeria, an underlying and significant factor has been an increase in demand from China and India.
"$100 is just the beginning," said Zachary Oxman, senior trader at Wisdom Financial in California.
"This is kicking off what you are going to see this year. There will be huge moves up in gold and huge moves up in crude."
Central banks such as the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve are worried that rising oil prices will prevent them cutting interest rates. Expensive oil increases inflation, which makes it more difficult to make the rate cuts that the central banks may have to implement to boost growth.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7168664.stm
 
It's incredible to see the ripple effect that crude oil prices have on virtually every aspect of the global markets/economy. They blame it on supply and demand, when in-fact, it looks like they're simply speculating - which can be a risky thing to do.

I dunno what the answer is, but I think this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as energy prices go. Hang on to your wallets the next time you go to the filling station!
 
Most people in the U.S. have vehicles which burn petroleum-based fuel.
Europe is close to that.
Everyone in the world is aiming for that.

To get the fuel they want, people bid.


Products of all sorts are made from plastic, which mostly comes from petroleum.
Lots of those products are packaged in plastic, shipped in plastic packing material inside plastic containers.



Much of what we consider necessary to our lives runs on electricity.
Most of the world doesn't have that yet, neither the devices nor the electricity, but they want it.

One of the simplest ways to generate electricity is in coal-fired plants.


Oil prices are rising because of all this demand. They are also rising because with demand and limited supply always comes speculation.


Prices will go down only if we use less -- less fuel, less plastic, less oil-generated electricity.


Support anything-to-oil technology.
Support wind power.
Support nuclear power.
Refuse to buy throw-away plastics.
Recycle.
 
I live in fear of the day one or more of the world's major oil sources dries up.
WWIII.
 
I walk a lot, and share a car with my brother...and fucking keeps me away from the road.
 
It's easy for some of you to say Americans have it easy and should stop complaining because you're used to the prices. But when you go from paying $3.00 a gallon to over $4.00 a gallon in less than a year, that's GOING to be a problem for you, and yes you have the right to complain about it.
 
I live in fear of the day one or more of the world's major oil sources dries up.
WWIII.

That also concerns me... but it won't caused by one of the world's super powers, it'll be started by some little third-rate dictator who thinks he has something to prove to the world. It'll be done in a cowardly way that will soon force the powers that be to choose sides, and it will escalate from there. (I won't name names here - don't want to turn this thread political...)
 
say what? you meant 95 ocatane, right?

Probably not. At higher elevations the gasoline sold has a lower octane. In order to get an optimal mix for combustion, the gasoline has to be lower octane to compensate for the lower amount of oxygen in the air.
 
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