Gay Bar Bans Bachelorette Parties

[JasunStrikesBack]

At least we both agree your argument is ridiculous.

 

[TickTockMan]

If you're gay and need a bra, you're called a "Lesbian."

Or.. really fat. And then you're not welcome in gay bars either.

That explains it!!

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Wow, even when I'm being respectful and non-confrontational, you insist on being an ass? I never said my argument was ridiculous. I considered your distinction and then countered by going into detail to draw out the relevant parallel. It's not my fault that you can't comprehend that parallel.
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except I think it's more of a perpendicular. There is a difference between a private rental space and a bar that's open to everyone. I don't know why you can't see that.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

I simply have no interest in furthering the divide between gays and straights, and fortunately history has proven that time will always close that gap. I can wait.

if closing the gap between gay and straight means having to let drunken rowdy women disrupt everyone else's fun and tell the men "you're such a waste" while they remark about how useful gay men are, I hope you're waiting a long time.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

^^ That's not what I meant.

it's exactly what you meant. We're talking abou one gay bar no allowing bachelorette parties and you're going on about forcing catholic churches to marry gay wiccans even if they don't feel it fits into their churches beliefs.

Sorry. We certainly wouldn't want to draw a parallel that isn't really a parallel, would we?

 

[Alpha1851]

For those women who make the excuse that there are no strip clubs that cater to women - too fucking bad. That does not give you the right to go into a gay bar to ogle at the men so that you can have what you want for your damn party.

True. But the I feel the same way about females who claim to frequent gay bars b/c they feel safer there and don't want to get hit on by straight guys. What the fuck? Can they just not say, "no thanks" when the get hit on? If you're too timid to stand up or speak up for yourself then stay at home.

Really though, it's impossible to please everyone. I assume you've been to a gay club and have seen the women ogling the gay fellas and acting obnoxious. If you feel comfortable and safe doing so, why not speak to them about it. Tell 'em to stop.

 

[Scrub]

But if I ever have the opportunity I will certainly not be quiet if I see any women acting stupid and making comments. I am just as much of an opinionated bitch off of JUB as I am on it.

Yes, save and protect those gay boys, because they certainly aren't able to do so themselves.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Stacy... So... Snappy....

 

[star-warrior]

If you would like someone to put you on ignore, then surely it would be easier if you put them on ignore using the settings at your own disposal.

 

[star-warrior]

^ you conform? Never!

 

[Corny]

I don't have a problem with women coming to gay parties, I don't even have a problem with those "safe-feel" women. A lot more annoying is the fag-hag kind which clinge to "their" guy, and demand all his attention. People more into picking up guys also call them "cockblockers" . I really don't understand those guys either .
Anyway .. except the one time where some stupid emo-girl who thought she must be at a very cool "in" party, commented on me massaging a friend's (not even partner!) back at the campfire with "Lol, that's so gay massaging him". I replied something along the lines of stupid fat kids with clown mascara better should keep their cakehole shut and go back to mutilating themselves, offered her a shard of glas from the ground and asked if she doesn't want to cut herself because "that's so emo".
She was a bit scared after that, my friend couldn't stop laughing and I was getting teased by the others for having a tantrum . I defense of the poor girl one has to say, that you can really "not get" the fact that this is a gay party if you don't know it. For about 10 minutes or so
Err .. I kinda drifted away .. to make a long story short. If the women can accept the fact that this is a "gay" party, a "safe place" for many of us - I have no problem with them. I have heard about people encountering women who want to "turn" them or just have a fetish for having sex with a gay guy or so, but I have not seen one of those yet. Probably I would tell her something about fucking her husband if she would ask me crap like that

 

[G-Lexington]

That's what I keep hearing, too. They're obnoxious, they keep pawing at you, they keep saying what a waste it is that you're gay, all that. And frankly, I've never seen it. Admittedly, I don't go to the "meat market" places all that much, but even there, I can't say as I've seen it. The women - at both the standard bar/clubs, and the fleshier once - all seem to simply be hanging out, drinking, and socializing. Same as us gays. Maybe it's different elsewhere.

Lex

 

[Ram]

Or banning gay marriages in churches. I wonder how gays would like it if gay marriage became legal (as it should be) and then churches and banquets were allowed to say, "Sorry. Your celebration is only going to make our straight patrons uncomfortable. You're not allowed. Find your own gay-space to get married in."

I understand that we're not talking about excluding women from gay bars, but rather we're talking about excluding bachelorette parties. And on one hand, that seems reasonable, until you think about the larger moral question. Because straight people can easily use that same language and say, "We're not banning gays from churches and banquets, we're only banning gay marriages from these places."

Your argument is wrong. Gay bars are banning bachelorette parties because in the past, they were getting out of hand. Whether we hate them ideologically or not, they were pissing the patrons off.

And marriage is a legal union between two people recognized by the state. Denying someone a marriage is taking away the right to be treated equal in the eyes of the law and state.

Bachelorette parties are.... fucking parties.

Not a legal party. Not recognize by any state in the world. They are fucking parties. What I mean by "fucking parties" is, party hats, drinks, all that shit and tits. Denying someone a place to have his or her party is NOT an infringement on equality, rather it shows you are a distrusted douchebag who acts irresponsibly.

If there is a straight establishment out there that bans gay hen nights and cite the reasons for the party-goers being totally nuts, I accept that. But if the establishment bans me because I am gay, that's a different story. Same goes for the bars in question right now. If they banned women, that's unacceptable and sexist.

If gay bars are banning such parties citing ideological reasons then they must extend to gay weddings as well. The bar in the newspaper banned it on grounds of him not believing in marriage. If he doesn't extend his ban to gay people who are getting married, then he is sexist. Right now, we can't tell. We haven't got our rights yet.

 

[Ram]

I'm going to have bachelorette parties in my house right now. I know it's my own private place and all, and parents do not allow any sort of partying (other than dinner hosting) in the house, but if I explain to them what horrible misogynist twats they are for denying the right of drunk women to act totally insane and treat the people in my house like circus objects, they will understand and accept straight people. I believe in change. We can do this! Change! Accept bacholerette parties NOW! Obama repeal... repeal... if there is a law against such parties -- repeal it! NOW Change! Obama! Obama!

Grandma, get up on the strip pole. It's time we respect drunk party-goers.

 

[Ram]

"If you read my posts..." You are asking another Jubber to read first and then form an opinion? What is this, your first post in this forum? Just be glad I let you off for actually telling us to read in the first place. God, the nerve.

But on the essential points you raised, we are in agreement.

Essential points? You just counterattacked them all. The point you didn't talk about is that parties are about shit and tits.

Look the thing is we are going to view this differently. That's the annoying beauty about this. I understand your point and I think you understand mine. Job done (actually I haven't had my breakfast).

And I am still right and you're wrong .

 

[Ram]

This has nothing to do with anything we were talking about, but broad strokes seem to be the application of choice here.

Yeah equating banning of bachelorette parties to our fight for gay marriage and recognition is totally not a broad stroke from your part.

You guys just don't care whether the customers are annoyed. As long as any Tom, Dick, Harry or in this Sally, Joan and Nik2, can enter a building, your job is done.

Personally I don't think banning something across the board (especially when not all situations would be the same) is a good answer. Why not just allow the parties and if something starts to get rowdy or out of control, and if patrons complain, then the manager can just ask that party to leave?

Start own bar then. Different manager, different perspectives thus different rules. If he doesn't want to deal with the parties at all, then it's his problem and his establishment and he can do anything he wants about it.

 

[ixthrock]

Grandma, get up on the strip pole. It's time we respect drunk party-goers.

fuck i think i broke my funnybone on that one

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

if you say these women are making gay guys uncomfortable and appropriating/perverting a safe gay space for their own amusement, can heterosexuals make that same argument about gays in order to justify keeping gays out of spaces such as churches and banquets.

A rented banquet hall is a "heterosexual safe-place?"

You have some very odd friends.

Newsflash.. there ARE no "heterosexual safe-places" because heterosexuals don't have anyone who oppresses them. You get that right? Gay bars exist because gay PEOPLE are unwelcome in MANY places. Gay bars don't exist so women have a safe place to party.



This whole thing reminds me of when I was in college and a christian friend of mine asked me if I could be her friend's date (female) to an event of some sort. To her, I wasn't a person.. I was just nature's support staff.

Some gay men think that gaining "acceptance" is more important than keeping our dignity and keeping our culture. I personally think that if we accept a role of servant to straight people... we're never really going to be equal.

They'll always look at us as their dressers, their designers, their entertainers. Never their equals. And for some people, that's fine. It's not for me.

 

[ixthrock]

god, i just read through this ENTIRE thread (and, no, i'm not about to go read the OTHER one before I post)

I'm not going to the southern baptist church asking to be married. I won't go to the Lutherans, the other Catholics, the mosques, the synagogues - or (haha) the fucking Mormons... because as far as I know, none of them except the Lutherans are wrestling with accepting homosexuality. I don't go to those churches for church, for spiritual direction, why in the hell would I pretend they could sanctify my union? I wouldn't want to legally enforce them to do it; it would, as Lazarus Long would say, "waste my time and annoy the pig." Churches have nothing I want. I, however, as a hot piece of man-flesh, have something the church wants - the Spectacle. I know, they'd rather see my guts being torn out by savage lions, or John Cena with a hard-on kicking my face into a bloody pulp, but they settle for giggling at me and objectifying me when they crawl into the closet they've tried locking me into. I'd almost rather see John Cena with a hard-on.

 

[Ram]

Some of the bachelorette parties are really cool. Especially when they leave.

































HAHA Just kidding.