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BTW, concerning the word "bitch".

LL is right that it is used of both males and females. However, that doesn't make it gender-neutral, because the meaning is different in the two cases. To be accurate, it's effectively two different words, just as "chill" and "chill" are two different words, or "cool" and "cool", or "Santorum" and "santorum".
 
BTW, concerning the word "bitch".

LL is right that it is used of both males and females. However, that doesn't make it gender-neutral, because the meaning is different in the two cases. To be accurate, it's effectively two different words, just as "chill" and "chill" are two different words, or "cool" and "cool", or "Santorum" and "santorum".

bitch as a noun, means a female dog, and any slang that derives itself from it, follows that.

To Bitch and moan? to use it as a verb?

well all I have to say is

Have you ever had a female dog?
 
BTW, concerning the word "bitch".

LL is right that it is used of both males and females. However, that doesn't make it gender-neutral, because the meaning is different in the two cases. To be accurate, it's effectively two different words, just as "chill" and "chill" are two different words, or "cool" and "cool", or "Santorum" and "santorum".

Of course the word is used for males and females. Hillary at the time was getting her ass handed to her and her supporters in this forum were looking for anything to rally around.

They started talking about Obama eating watermelons and 'Amos and Andy.' The racist in them was begging to come out.

It is selective outrage. Ann Coulter was called a "cunt" but Hillary can't be called that.
 
Easy -- in your case, read my first post.

As we get near a tipping point, this becomes even more important.

If nothing else, it will make independents sit up and take notice as they see that gays are being more Christian than the self-proclaimed advocates for Jesus. That always makes people re-evaluate (it sure did when I was in high school, helping fight the dress code, which the administration claimed was necessary because we kids didn't know how to dress appropriately for various occasions -- but at the school board meeting, all our student speakers were in good formal garb perfectly fine for a corporate business meeting, while the administration people showed up in casual clothes... we'd won the moment our first speaker stood up and peoples eyes went from one set of representatives to the other).

As with Ghandi's fight, this is to a large extent about civilization. The contention of one side is that if we are allowed to flourish, civilization is doomed. The best argument we can make against that is to be more civilized than they are -- admittedly not hard, if you look at the extreme examples, but what has to be aimed for is the overall impression. When people think of Republicans, a great many have the image of respectable business folks; when they think of gays, what image comes to mind? We need it to be at least as respectable as those businessmen -- and far, far, far more respectable than Bachman and others.

Another way to put it is that we have to look like the grownups, so that people see that if anyone is a threat to civilization, it's the reactionary theocrats, not those merely wanting what the Founding Fathers expounded.

I already disagreed with you.

I do not give respect to those that not only do not respect me as a gay man, but plot my demise through legislation and elections.

its really that simple.

We come from two different places and we can't be farther apart.

I dont give respect. People earn it from me, and I am not going to afford a kindness to those that mean me harm, no matter what the political expediency of it appears to be on the surface.

Do yo think Massachusetts became the first state in the union to allow gay marriage by playing nice with people that called us immoral, deviates and equated our relationships to bestiality?

Fuck that.

You come to Boston and say shit about someone, I guaranttee you they are not politely going to turn around and say.. "why thanks for that nice little opinion, however I disagree."

NO WAY BUDDY, not happening. I live in a town that has people in it that use FUCK YOU as a term of endearment, and frankly, I am not interested in being lectured on how to be polite to dangerous people.
 
I didn't miss the point.

But I do respectfully disagree that the OP's desired approach is appropriate in all cases.

So I'm not disagreeing with you Kuli. Well maybe a little. I'm just making my case against always trying to outsmooth the other side in the hope that if they think that homos are non-threatening....they'll let us fuck whoever we want, marry whoever we want and not vomit in their mouth every time they think about it.

Sometimes, I have no problem being as horrible as my enemies or sinking to their level. Because sometimes, that is the only place where the fight is going to be won....in the dirt, getting bruised and proving that some things are worth spilling a little of my own blood for.

Let me give an example.

Obama wanted to be a bi-partisan, conciliatory president who would earn his place in history by forging landmark agreements in the best interests of all people.

Look what his political enemies and opposition have done with this.

So frankly, I would like to see him and the Dems grab their sack more often and deal some full body blows back in order to get control of the ring again.

Being nice may be the thing to do when you are speaking of the dead, but frankly...in real life....it can just mean that you've lost when you don't really understand the strength and the will of your adversaries.

To think that the doctrinaire fundamentalists will like the idea of cocksucking homos if we just try to look more like they do when dressing for Church severely underestimates the degree of damage they wish to inflict.
 
Of course the word is used for males and females. [STRIKE]Hillary at the time was getting her ass handed to her and her supporters in this forum were looking for anything to rally around.

They started talking about Obama eating watermelons and 'Amos and Andy.' The racist in them was begging to come out.

It is selective outrage. Ann Coulter was called a "cunt" but Hillary can't be called that.[/STRIKE]

You missed the point -- I was indicating that you're wrong.

I struck out all the GOP-tactic verbiage.
 
I already disagreed with you.

I do not give respect to those that not only do not respect me as a gay man, but plot my demise through legislation and elections.

its really that simple.

We come from two different places and we can't be farther apart.

I dont give respect. People earn it from me, and I am not going to afford a kindness to those that mean me harm, no matter what the political expediency of it appears to be on the surface.

Do yo think Massachusetts became the first state in the union to allow gay marriage by playing nice with people that called us immoral, deviates and equated our relationships to bestiality?

Fuck that.

You come to Boston and say shit about someone, I guaranttee you they are not politely going to turn around and say.. "why thanks for that nice little opinion, however I disagree."

NO WAY BUDDY, not happening. I live in a town that has people in it that use FUCK YOU as a term of endearment, and frankly, I am not interested in being lectured on how to be polite to dangerous people.

Well, that decides me about even wanting to visit Boston -- I prefer civilized places.

I prefer Gandhi's example to Joe Redneck any day. Your approach is no different than that of the drunken high-school dropout down the street here.

In fact your approach is precisely what the GOP is doing in the House. Yay.
 
You missed the point -- I was indicating that you're wrong.

I struck out all the GOP-tactic verbiage.

Well, I think it's a generational issue. Those under 30 use the word "bitch" for males and females. And no, when you use it, you're not thinking about the gender of the person. The gender doesn't matter.

The only people I hear complaining about the word need to look at their peers first. I grew up with a healthy image of a woman. My mom is educated and has been very successful in her career.
 
I didn't miss the point.

You make that claim.... but then you say this:

To think that the doctrinaire fundamentalists will like the idea of cocksucking homos if we just try to look more like they do when dressing for Church severely underestimates the degree of damage they wish to inflict.

Which just shows your claim is false.
 
Well, that decides me about even wanting to visit Boston -- I prefer civilized places.

I prefer Gandhi's example to Joe Redneck any day. Your approach is no different than that of the drunken high-school dropout down the street here.

In fact your approach is precisely what the GOP is doing in the House. Yay.

MM Hmmm

That and a buck fitty wont get you a cup of coffee, much less equal rights.
 
It got Gandhi a free nation.

All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take.
Mohandas Gandhi

Are you trying to ell me that Gandhi didn't tell his people to speak out against injustice? since when is speech, even angry speech, violence????

A 'No' uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a 'Yes' merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble.
Mohandas Gandhi

speaking the truth got gandhi a free nation. violence and anger are two different things.

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.
Mohandas Gandhi

as for your highly esteemed opinion of your opinion on this matter......

It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.
Mahatma Gandhi
 
No Kuli.

I got the OP's point. I understand what you're saying.

I just don't agree with it as being the best approach in all instances.

And I can guarantee you. I have no one in my extended family who rejects my partner and I for being homos and we are totally out in a rural community and heavily involved in everything from funding school programs through helping to organize community events.
 
To some extent, like the Chris Colfer example, it tells me that a lot of Republican leaders could care less about who is gay or not BUT in order to appease their base and/or keep their position in the party, they have to do what their base expects.... This is one of those occasions where I throw the baby out with the bathwater. I hope I put enough southern sayings in there for you, lol.

Yes, justdra, love the Southern sayings lol

Thanks Jayqueer for your comments and I'm a little south of Birmingham, so pretty close to where you are talking about. It's true, pretty much anywhere in the state you have to be discreet if you want to go anywhere in your career and such. Atlanta is proabably the only place in the Deep South where people truly don't care, probably because most of them aren't native Georgians lol.

Thanks Kulindahr for your comments, I'm glad you see where I am coming from.

I'm not suggesting we be push overs, but I'm not suggesting we act like a bunch of barbarians like they do. I truly believe if a majority of gays have and display a "fuck you" attitude we'll never move forward. There's plenty of reasons for us to be bitter, but we've got to be better if we want to win over the average American. I'm not suggesting we bow down to John Boehner or any other Republican, but we must simply show everyday Americans that we are everyday Americans too, while maintaining our own culture, and they will vote accordingly. I'm Southern and while I have a distinctly Southern culture, a casual observer would merely see me as an average American. Hope this all makes sense.
 
this thing about referring to gays as barbarians is even infecting JUB and our threads, and THAT is proof enough that you are not correct, possibly not what you seem, nor are the issues involved as simple as you would like them to be.
 
online debate/discussions Vs meet in real life.

People will behave well when meet in real life.
Online debate guaranteed a different behavior.
 
well I for one would like to say that I think Mr Bachmann is a Cockchafer, and MS bachmann resembles a Horehound.
 
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